West Indies v South Africa

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Re: West Indies v South Africa Nearly tea now.....& Gibbs & Kallis still there, boring everybody to death......to be fair, theyve had little choice. It looks a certain draw now........maybe a wicket straight after tea??....nah, dreaming. Stupidly enough if they did seperate these & got Boucher straight away I wouldnt fancy the rest but running out of time now.

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Re: West Indies v South Africa Its a draw! SA reach a mind numbing 269-4 off 161 overs! Test match cricket at its exciting best but hats off to SA for saving the game and in particularly Jaques Kallis for a marvellous patient knock. Interesting to see how the 2nd test goes now the 'rebels' are available for selection.

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Re: West Indies v South Africa Why couldn't India bat like that last week? :sad :lol

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Why couldn't India bat like that last week? :sad :lol

Don't start me on Indias batting performance in the 3rd test, i'm just about getting over it now!:wall

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Re: West Indies v South Africa Pollock still sidelined for Trinidad.

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Re: West Indies v South Africa Stans opened for the second test: WI 4/1 draw Evs SA 6/4 Thats with 4 of the rebels, Lara, Gayle, Sarwan & Bravo back in the squad. Pagons got to be unlucky to go........

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Re: West Indies v South Africa 2nds Test. Queens Park Oval, Port-of-Spain, Trinindad. (starts friday) Overall record: 53m, 18 won by side batting 1st, 15 won by side batting second, 0 tied, 20 drawn. West Indies record: m53, won 17, lost 16, drawn 20. WI won toss & batted: 15 (4 won, 6 lost) WI won toss & fielded: 11 (won 5, lost 2) West Indies have lost the last 4 tests on this ground. Recent tests: 2003/4. WI 208 (60.1) & 209 (67). ENG 319 (137.5) & 99-3. ENG won by 7 wkts 2002/3. AUS 576-4d (132.5) & 239-3d (66.2). WI 408 (119) & 288 (99.2). AUS won by 119 runs. 2001/2. IND 339 (115.5) & 218 (92.1). WI 245 (77.5) & 275 (115.1). IND won by 38 runs. 2000/1. SA 286 (86.5) & 287 (130.4). WI 342 (125) & 162 (80.1). SA won by 70 runs. The 2000/1 test was the only previous meeting between these 2 on this ground. Avg runs per wkt: 30.84 with a breakdown of 1)30.9, 2) 32.0, 3) 31.1, 4) 27.4 Avg run rate: 2.67 Notable personal records on this ground: Lara 11m, 786r, 122hs, avg 37.42. 1x100 Chanderpaul 7m, 464r, 79hs, avg 35.69 Weather forecast is showers throughout the match including the days leading up to it. Another difficult one to judge I think, what with the 'rebels' becoming available again & 4 of them being included here (Lara, Gayle, Sarwan, Bravo) How will it affect the WI team, who performed well over expectations in Guyana? The WI batting with Lara, Gayle & Sarwan in is definetly stronger, but the dispute has cost Lara his captaincy, & how will he react? He has been temperemental in the past, & it will be interesting to see if Chanderpaul consults him on the pitch whilst fielding, & if he does, what will be his attitude? Its easy to say everybody plays for their country, but there is form here...... On the plus side for the WI, Pollock is still missing & the SA bowling looked poor without him in Guyana. Ntini may have had an off match, but if hes poor again he will be open to the suggestion he needs Pollock to hold his hand. Nel was the only one to come out with any credit, & that was as a tryer alone. So with stronger batting, WI have to be value @ 4/1, surely, but they have a poor recent record here, having lost the last 4. Weather will be an issue again, with around 78 overs having been lost in Guyana in the first four days, arguably it saved SA. The problem is that I think both bowling attacks are relatively poor, & if time will be lost again, will either side have enough to get 20 wickets? I cant see the SA batting failing twice against this attack, but the WI batting is very Man City/Pakistan like & could fold, but the SA bowling is pretty poor without Pollock. I think West Indies, to win, have to bat first & post a big total again, putting the SA top order under pressure, as I dont think the bowling alone is good enough. Angling towards covering the draw with a WI win at 4/1, dont see value in SA at 6/4.

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Re: West Indies v South Africa The 4/1 on WI is no longer available, which may tell its own story.... Stan James: WI 10/3 draw 11/10 SA 6/4 Bet365: WI 7/2 draw 11/10 SA 29/20

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Re: West Indies v South Africa Forgot to mention that without Pollock, SA have to bat Boucher @ 6, which I feel is one too high TBH, & makes them slightly weaker, cos Ive never been convinced about Hall when the chips are down.

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Re: West Indies v South Africa West Indies won the toss & are batting, currently 72-2 off 26ish, after being 13-2 off 8. Lara approaching 50. SA dropped Hall & picked Ashwell Prince, who will presumably bat at 6 with Boucher going down to 7. Langeveldt dropped for Zondeki.

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Re: West Indies v South Africa 108-3 after 35.5 ovs, Hinds just caught 1st slip for 32. Ntini got all 3 for 31 off 11 so far. Lara on 59, batting well. Boje on already, dunno whether thats the slow over rate though. Ntinis standing up, credit where its due, SA had just gone out to 3/1 as well.......... At the toss, Graeme Smith described it as a result pitch, "we want to bat first whilst its still ok to bat on...." :( hmmm....maybe the weather might not be that important!

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Re: West Indies v South Africa Early tea due to rain, pitch looks well uneven TBH, WI 148-3ish off 47ish (sorry) Lara batting like a god in front of his own fans. Reckon 350 is a top score.

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Re: West Indies v South Africa 185-3 off 54.5 now. Lara 101* off 139 balls......in his comeback.....on his home ground......27th test hundred.......who the f*** writes his script??

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Re: West Indies v South Africa Lara last out for 196 off 286 balls out of 347ao......:notworthy some comeback! SA gone off at a lick, 66-0 off 13ish, pitch up & down. Be a hellof a score to get a 100 lead.....WI just gone 9/2

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Re: West Indies v South Africa De villiers fell straight afterwards, 78-1

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Re: West Indies v South Africa SA finished 182-3 off 67 ovs. Smith unbeaten on 90 but Kallis out at the close

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Re: West Indies v South Africa SA 370-6 off 157ovs. Graeme Smith finally fell in the 140s. With Boucher & Prince in SA will be looking for a decent lead of 100-150 on an uneven pitch today

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Re: West Indies v South Africa SA bowled out for 397, a lead of 51, with 5 & a 1/2 sessions left. WI 4/1, draw Evs, SA 6/4

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Re: West Indies v South Africa WI crumbled out in their 2nd innings for 194. Ntini bowled the match of his life to claim 7-37 and match figures of 13-132. Not a bad effort! SA started their run chase well, needing 144 to win, currently 27-0 off 2.3 overs. In a hurry are we boys????!

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Re: West Indies v South Africa Shaun Pollock arrives in Barbados on monday & is likely to play in the third test starting next thursday in place of Zondeki.

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Re: West Indies v South Africa 3rd Test, Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados. starts thursday 3pm BST Overall record - m 41, won batting first 12, batting second 14, drawn 15. WI record - m41, won 20, lost 6, drawn 15. WI won toss & batted - 8, won 2, lost 1. WI won toss & bowled - 15, won 9, lost 3. Avg runs per wkt: 33.53. Breakdown: 1) 34.9, 2) 35.2, 3) 32.2, 4) 28.3. Avg run rate: 2.86 Recent tests: 2003/4. WI 224 (75.2) & 94 (42). ENG 226 (90) & 93-2. ENG won by 8 wkts 2002/3. AUS 605-9 (154.3) & 8-1. WI 328 (128.5) & 284 (116) AUS by 10 wkts 2002. NZ 337 (125.4) & 243 (90.4). WI 107 (42.1) & 269 (83). NZ by 205 runs 2001/2. IND 102 (33.4) & 296 (101.2) WI 394 (135.5) & 5-0. WI by 10 wkts Previous Meetings: 2000/1. SA 454 (173.1) & 197-9 (95.5) WI 387 (151) & 88-7 (38.4) Drawn 1991/2. WI 262 (71.4) & 283 (81.3). SA 345 (135.5) & 148 (72.4) WI by 53 runs This was SA first test back after apartheid Last 4 tests have been results. Only 3 toss winning captains have batted first since 1978. Notable personal records: Lara 13m, 972r, hs 153, avg 46.28, 1x100 Chanderpaul 9m, 601r, hs 137*, avg 50.08, 2x100 Collins 4m, 15wkts @ 31.66

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Re: West Indies v South Africa Forecast is scattered showers from now until thursday, & also the last couple of days, & then showers & sun from thursday onwards through the match. Ryan Hinds is due back for the Windies in place of Pagon following a virus, & Best & edwards are expected to be in the squad for the first time since the England tour last summer after injury. With Pollock back for SA cant look much further than them or the draw methinks....

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Re: West Indies v South Africa Jacques Rudolph may miss the third test with a back injury, But Dippenaar has just scored a big 100 versus a WI University XI to make the decision easy.

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Re: West Indies v South Africa Pedro Collins is now out of the third test also, being replaced by Fidel Edwards in the squad. As expected, Ryan Hinds returns for Pagon.

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Re: West Indies v South Africa Pollock is saying hes fit, but apparently there is some doubt as to whether he will be picked or not as SA may not change a winning team. Methinks that smells of bullsh*t.......

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Re: West Indies v South Africa Pollock doesnt play..... WI on the toss & batted, & slumped to 12-3!! Lara did an impression of Jesus again & is currently on 148*, & the Windies are 255-5 off 71ovs. Chanderpaul got 53.

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Re: West Indies v South Africa Lost tack here somewhere, but suffice to say West Indies were hammered & Lara & Chanderpaul aside, were pretty much a disgrace..... 4th Test. St.Johns, Antigua. starts friday Overall tests: 19m, won batting first - 4, batting second - 6, drawn - 9. WI record: 19m, won 7, drawn 9, lost 3. WI won toss & batted - 4, won 0, lost 0. WI won toss & bowled - 7, won 3, lost 1. Avg runs per wkt: 36.7. Breakdown of: 1)39.8, 2)38.5, 3)33.7, 4)29.1 Recent Tests: 2003/4. WI 751/5 (202ovs) (yep, that one) ENG 285 (99) & 422-5 (137) Drawn 2002/3. AUS 240 (72.1) & 417 (104). WI 240 (65.3) & 418-7 (128.5). WI won by 3 wkts. 2001/2. IND 513-9d (196). WI 629-9d (248) Drawn 2000/1. SA 247 (122.2) & 215-7 (123). WI 140 (76.1) & 240 (99.4) SA won by 83 runs. There has been one previous meeting here, the above 2000/1 test. The 418-7 scored by WI to beat AUS in 2002/3 is a current world record 4th innings chase. Personal Records: Lara 12m, 1628r, hs400*, avg.90.44, 4x100 Chanderpaul 8m, 570r, hs136*, avg.57.00, 2x100 Sarwan 5m, 337r, hs105, avg.42.12, 1x100 Collins 2m, 7wkts @ 33.57. According to Cricinfo, Reon King & Ryan Hinds are dropped for Narsingh Deonarine, who made his debut in the 'weakened' team in the first test, & Tino Best, in his comeback from injury, he has not played since the tour of England last summer. Still no word on Pollock.

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Re: West Indies v South Africa Forgot the odds, Stan James: WI 5/1 draw Evs SA 5/4 SA were 6/5 last night & I think the draw was 11/10, & the weather forecast is scattered showers throughout, indeed from now, so must be that. Same forecast as last test though, & I dont remember much time lost there. If Pollock plays, has to be SA, only worry is that its a dead test, as it were, & in the same situation last yea, on the same ground, Lara scored 400 not out........although you would have thought he must be a bit tired after 2 near double tons!!

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Re: West Indies v South Africa I am gonna have a bash at the Windies. The 6/1 is too tempting for me with this being a dead rubber. Reports suggest the pitch will be quite sharp and this will be tailormade for Fidel Edwards and the returning Tino Best to have a dart. Nel looks like missing out and, whilst Pollock is top notch, he could be a bit rusty. Add to all this the fact that dead rubbers often go the way of the inferior team the price on offer is sufficiently tempting for me to have a dabble. The weather forecast is also looking fine incidentally.

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Re: West Indies v South Africa On reflection 66/1 shouldn't have been too tempting.