GaF Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I'm stunned by this!!! http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/william-hill-house-bot-mtt-confirmed-1108249/ The sharkscope shows them to be highly profitable too!! I know that bots are largely tolerated on iPoker - but are they actually officially accepted now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadken Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Re: William Hill (iPoker) running house bots in their own games what can you say ? :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Re: William Hill (iPoker) running house bots in their own games what can you say ? :puke I told you so? Personally If I owned a poker network I would actively encourage the use of bots so as to ensure all my customers could get a game in the quickest possible time, in fact if I could get away with it, I would actually deploy the bots myself as and when required. As long as the bots had ROI's of between -3% and -5% I would still be quids in Interesting that party poker doesn't "tolerate" bots, as it was probably the first site to be "attacked" by bots and there was a suggestion back then that the site itself was responsible for the bots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Re: William Hill (iPoker) running house bots in their own games Kind of well known that there are bots on some of the very small sites to get cash games but i didn't expect it to be so blatant on ipoker that they're a bot and they're winning - effectively freerolling customers. It may be all lost in translation though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart(UK) Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Re: William Hill (iPoker) running house bots in their own games Official statement from ipoker via PokerStrategy.com where I believe the issue was first raised by German language Community members. I stepped down from Head Mod for PokerStrategy.com's English Community a while back (to concentrate on live poker, online poker and the Punters Lounge community more), but am still in daily contact with the staff there. We are sorry that it took us a while to compile the statement as we had to put a focus on our investigations first. Our policy is clear: 1. A poker account is to be used exclusively by the registered account holder and the use of any automated “bots†is prohibited. 2. In all cases where iPoker security department is satisfied that an account is being used in any other way than by the sole registered account holder the account is closed. 3. This is done in every case regardless of how much rake the account has contributed, and forum posts that suggest iPoker ignores “bots†because of the rake they generate are very much wide of the mark. The network’s security department regularly checks suspicious accounts at all stake levels and is freezing accounts for failing our “bot†testing procedures, as well as taking firm measures towards affiliates of such “bots†rings. The integrity of the network is our highest priority and it is essential that players know they are in a secure environment. We will always investigate any account that we suspect of using “bots†and if the members of the iPoker network have concerns over particular accounts we request to receive these concerns and inquiries for investigation. Q: How many bot accounts were closed? On which limits did they play? A: Our security teams are reviewing a high percentage of the networks active accounts; either suspected accounts or randomly selected. We cannot disclose the exact number of accounts, but can only advice we show zero tolerance towards non legitimate accounts. Q: Will legal action be taken against the developers of the bot software? A: Our legal teams are acting both on commercial and legal level to reduce the risk on the networks integrity. We will show zero tolerance towards any affiliate or operator who involved with non legitimate operation within our network. Q: What is iPoker doing in general to prevent bots better in the future? A: We continue to investigate on a daily basis all accounts that are flagged by our security tools. The activity of these accounts is reviewed in depth by the security department. The review includes all gaming activity, betting patterns, behavior patterns and multiple tests specifically designed to reveal activity that is not compatible with real human play. Q: How can players report suspicious accounts? A: Players should report any suspicions to the support or security department of the operator they are registered with. Q: Does iPoker or skins on iPoker use bots to prop up traffic? A. Absolutely not. iPoker launched in August 2004 and has NEVER utilised bots for any purpose whatsoever. B. In addition , We’ve noticed that in some cases , a legit account users are using the term ‘bots’ within their table alias , even though there’s absolutely no bots usage . as a new policy iPoker will prohibit the usage of ‘bot’ term within the table alias and will act to change all existing account nicknames in the near time . Q: Why then is clause 10.1.1.4 in the William Hill T&C? Will this clause be removed? Zitat: “10.1.1.4 in games offered via the Website which benefit from more players or greater liquidity we may deploy electronic players (known as robots, and whose usernames will be "bot") who are pre-programmed to play and join in with the game in order to assist the liquidity or the number of players gaming although we will not use bots without making such usage clear to You. [next part was updated already]We can categorically confirm that We do not deploy electronic players (known as Robots or Bots) in our Poker software and will take active steps in conjunction with our software providers to prevent their usage by any users of our service; and†Link: http://williamhill-lang.custhelp.com/cgi...hp?p_faqid=6719 As per the email from William Hill Head of Poker this clause should be amended within the next hours. Nevertheless, that is absolutely not in line with iPoker’s anti bots policy. Q:Which other games if not poker are meant regarding automated bots? A: Skill games such as dominos and the full list can be seen at the above link. Q: Why was the customer support of William Hill and PaddyPower stating in two from each other independent chat statements that there are bots? A: These two incidents were examples of support staff performing very poorly. This has added to player fears and we certainly wish they had answered correctly but unfortunately that wasn’t the case. The staff work for two different operators (and not for iPoker) and their management are taking steps to improve support staff knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart(UK) Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Re: William Hill (iPoker) running house bots in their own games If allowed, I'll happily link you guys to the discussion thread as ipoker have promised to answer any further questions raised from players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadken Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Re: William Hill (iPoker) running house bots in their own games Look at the systems and stratagies section, further down the punters forum sections, past the poker section, i am seeing things. :eek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedinight7 Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Re: William Hill (iPoker) running house bots in their own games just found this out also was ready to say, unreal http://www.gambling411.net/poker/william-hill-poker-bots/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 Re: William Hill (iPoker) running house bots in their own games The upshot seems to be that William hill are not running house bots on their poker platform. The confirmation of a house bot was incorrect from the customer support rep. Where the confusion appears to have come from is that William Hill do run house bots in their "Skill Games" (which excludes poker) and they have a different set of T&C for this (the quoted T&C allowing bots is from their skill games section, not their poker section). Of course, this doesn't hide the fact that iPoker appears infested with bots, and appears to be the worst of the major networks when it comes to bots, and that iPoker dont seem particularly inclined to seriously tackle the problem or capable of detecting bots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X__Gandalf__X Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Re: William Hill (iPoker) running house bots in their own games Has anybody devised a strategy specifically to use against a suspected bot (ie one that is profitable for the human)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted October 10, 2011 Author Share Posted October 10, 2011 Re: William Hill (iPoker) running house bots in their own games I would guess that it depends on the bot! Different bots will play in different ways and have different weaknesses. The way to beat a bot is the same as the way to beat a human - watch, probe, analyse and when you have identified your opponents weaknesses, adjust to exploit them! Bots take advantage of those players who fail to adjust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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