PLO cash games

[LordPalica]

Hi guys, I´ve been playing omaha for a couple of months because NLHE tables are full of regs. Ive started this thread to post here hands where Im not sure about my line. Maybe we will create here good PLO group of people. (btw sorry for my english, Im not native speaker ;) ) So here is my first hand (I started playing PLO30 a few days ago but it looks like there is more fish nowadays contrary to PLO10) Boss $30.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players - View hand 1388970 DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter CO: $54.30 Hero (BTN): $29.95 SB: $13.71 BB: $24.59 Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is BTN with Q :spade: 7 :diamond: 6 :spade: A :spade: CO calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, 1 fold, BB calls $0.90, CO calls $0.90 Flop: ($3.75) 7 :club: 7 :heart: 8 :club: (3 players) BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $3.00, BB calls $3, CO folds Turn: ($9.75) 3 :heart: (2 players) BB checks, Hero bets $4.80, BB calls $4.80 River: ($19.35) 6 :diamond: (2 players) BB checks, Hero ??? BB is 64/13/1.3 over 200 hands, wtSD 35%. Flop is standard CB because of draws ets. Turn: I decided to bet a little bit smaller to keep draws or maybe overpairs there. River: FD missed its outs so I gain value only from 7xxx/straight. What do you think? Is better to put him AI=3/4PSB or you elect rather smaller bet cca an half pot??

[DaMatrix]

Re: PLO cash games Around half-pot best here imo.

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games So Damatrix, we think in the same way ;) Do you play PLO too? Btw if somebody wanna learn PLO here I found good series of articles. You can find it here (I hope I havent broken any rules about posting links to the third party:unsure)

[DaMatrix]

Re: PLO cash games Yeah, I've played PLO up to $25/$50 a few years ago. Maybe one day I'll take a shot at that level again lol I also run the PLO fan page on fb :) http://fb.com/PotLimitOmaha Like it! :)

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games Could you compare games in the past and now please? Are they tougher than they used to be in the past? Because when I started NLHE a few years ago it was a golden mine but nowadays there are a lots of thinking regulars even at microstakes. So I would like to now if this standard is in PLO too. thanks ;)

[DaMatrix]

Re: PLO cash games Yeah, ofc all the games are tougher now, even PLO and PLO8B. Game selection is important if you want to get the softness of the past.

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games here is one hand from today session: Boss $30.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter UTG: $15.00 CO: $73.50 BTN: $61.00 Hero (SB): $37.56 BB: $25.80 Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is SB with A:heart: 8:club: K:heart: 5:club: UTG calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks Flop: ($1.20) 4:club: 2:heart: 8:heart: (4 players) Hero bets $1.20, BB folds, UTG folds, CO raises to $4.80, Hero calls $3.60 Turn: ($10.80) Q:club: (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets $10.80, Hero calls $10.80 River: ($32.40) 3:spade: (2 players) Hero bets $21.66, CO calls $21.66 Villain is unknown 86/16/2.1 over 60 hands. Do I have enough equity on turn? I hope that he´s got at most SET and doesnt hold bigger club FD.

[DaMatrix]

Re: PLO cash games ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation 1,379,680 trials (Exhaustive) board: 4:club:2:heart:8:heart:Q:club: Ah8cKh5c 54.39% 44**, 88**, 22**, QQ**, Q8**, Mc*c**, Bc*c** 45.61% ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation 233,920 trials (Exhaustive) board: 4:club:2:heart:8:heart:Q:club: Ah8cKh5c 38.83% 44**, 88**, 22** 61.17%

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games So I made a good call, right? btw what does mean this "Mc*c**"? That he has 2 not specific clubs in hand? Instead that "M" can I give any capital letter?

[DaMatrix]

Re: PLO cash games y, I would have reraised the flop or turn though. Mc = medium club, Bc = Big club. Click on syntax help on the page...

[^Newbie^]

Re: PLO cash games anyone can provide some nice game plans on omaha ? Trying to learn this game but always get knocked out in freerolls by aggressive players who lucked out .

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games

anyone can provide some nice game plans on omaha ? Trying to learn this game but always get knocked out in freerolls by aggressive players who lucked out .

What do you mean by "game plan"? If you´re looking for some articles about strategy, take a look at 3rd post in this thread. I posted there a link at good articles about omaha play (I believe ;) ).

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games How much to bet on river? Boss $30.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - [ CO: $15.59 Hero (BTN): $38.50 SB: $63.00 BB: $13.66 UTG: $34.16 Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is BTN with 4 :spade: 6 A K :spade: UTG raises to $1.05, CO calls $1.05, Hero calls $1.05, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold Flop: ($4.50) J :club: T 5 (4 players) SB checks, UTG bets $4.50, CO folds, Hero calls $4.50, SB folds Turn: ($13.50) 3 :club: (2 players) UTG bets $6.75, Hero calls $6.75 River: ($27.00) 7 :diamond: (2 players) UTG checks, Hero ??? Villain is unknown 69/44/4 after 16 hands. What kind of bet is better here? Small or big?

[Woodie]

Re: PLO cash games I like just over half pot or even timebank and bet half pot to try and make it look like your stealing it.

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games Boss $10.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players - View hand 1394808 DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter SB: $6.29 BB: $9.64 CO: $9.81 Hero (BTN): $16.65 Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 2 Q :club: Q :spade: J :club: CO calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.45, 1 fold, BB calls $0.35, CO calls $0.40 Flop: ($1.40) J :spade: J 9 :club: (3 players) BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $1.00, BB folds, CO raises to $2.70, Hero ??? Villain is 41/2/1.6 ch/r on flop 3%(63 cases) after 650 hands. Here it looks that in the best case I´ve got 5 outs. And how would change our strategy if I was hold AJxx, AKQJ, 99xx??

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games Boss $30.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players - View hand 1402726 DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter SB: $47.80 Hero (BB): $31.35 CO: $14.62 BTN: $27.15 Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is BB with 5 :club: 8 :club: 8 T :spade: CO calls $0.15, 1 fold, SB calls $0, Hero checks Flop: ($0.60) 4 :club: 6 :diamond: 7 :spade: (3 players) SB bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90, CO folds Turn: ($2.40) 3 (2 players) SB bets $2.70, Hero raises to $10.80, SB calls $8.10 River: ($24.00) K :diamond: (2 players) SB checks, Hero ???, Villain is 48/21/2.4 after 800 hands wtoSD 28%, w$SD 38%. What do you think about my call on flop and how much to bet on river (Ive got 19$ behind)

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games Hi, I think I should revive this thread. Is there anyone who play omaha too? We could post 1-2 interesting hands from every session and make a couple of comments to improve our play.

[SteveO]

Re: PLO cash games Yeah I play omaha Palica. Have found it particuarly frustrating the swings are just huge but should still be very beatable. All the hands I have are at 25/50c and 50c/$1. I ran well below ev all of last year gonna give it another crack soon flued up at the mo. I'm profitable at 6 max in all positions except the blinds so I really must start to tigten up more there or 3 bet more. pm me your email:ok

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games Boss $30.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - BTN: $46.57 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 2.0, Hands: 1593 SB: $40.94 - VPIP: 74, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 2.3, Hands: 331 Hero (BB): $30.80 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 13, 3B: 2, AF: 2.5, Hands: 76146 UTG: $32.75 - VPIP: 56, PFR: 17, 3B: 3, AF: 1.6, Hands: 722 CO: $32.06 - VPIP: 84, PFR: 51, 3B: 23, AF: 2.2, Hands: 172 Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is BB with A :diamond: T 7 6 :diamond: 1 fold, CO raises to $1.05, 1 fold, SB calls $0.90, Hero calls $0.75 Flop: ($3.15) A T :club: Q :diamond: (3 players) SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, CO folds Turn: ($3.75) A :spade: (2 players) SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $3.60, SB raises to $14.55, Hero ??? Villain fire a lots of 1bb bets (saw him bet 1bb with draws) but his potsized 3bet surprised me, only one hand beat me. Is this easy stack off? What do you think?

[Danshot]

Re: PLO cash games I think you can raise to $1 on the river and then pay off a lesser 3bet I might play a little too cautious though , still I think you have to pay off and take a deep breathe

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games Boss $30.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 1590931

DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

UTG: $30.45 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 11, 3B: 1, AF: 2.4, Hands: 683

CO: $33.39 - VPIP: 75, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 2.4, Hands: 374

Hero (BTN): $30.05 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 13, 3B: 2, AF: 2.5, Hands: 76765

SB: $10.06 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 1.7, Hands: 307

BB: $30.00 - VPIP: 37, PFR: 22, 3B: 9, AF: 5.3, Hands: 719

Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is BTN with Q 3 8 Q

1 fold, CO calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.35, 1 fold, BB calls $1.05, CO calls $1.05

Flop: ($4.20) 8 4 8(3 players)

BB checks, CO bets $0.30, Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $13.50, CO folds, Hero folds

Villain has ch/r flop 6%. The problem is that probably I have in the better shape only 5 outs. Great, finally I found good hh converter :nana

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games Hi guys, shame on me again :) I had a pretty bad time period in my game so I hope it´s over and I will be able to post here more often :) so here´s one hand from my today session: Boss $10.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 1665886 DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter BB: $23.49 - VPIP: 54, PFR: 6, 3B: 9, AF: 0.5, Hands: 99 UTG: $9.40 - VPIP: 63, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 1.1, Hands: 113 Hero (CO): $14.71 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 12, 3B: 1, AF: 2.9, Hands: 171190 BTN: $11.45 - VPIP: 37, PFR: 8, 3B: 1, AF: 1.8, Hands: 599 SB: $10.28 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 21, 3B: 13, AF: 4.0, Hands: 151 Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with J 9 3 T UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, BTN calls $0.45, 1 fold, BB calls $0.35, 1 fold Standard raise to isolate loose-passive UTG limper wtih doublesuited straightpossible hand. Flop: ($1.50) J 6 A (3 players) BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks Here I decided to check against two opponents BB has 50% fold to CB and BTN has 55%. Or do you think that CB is better option because of dryness of the board? Turn: ($1.50) 3 (3 players) BB checks, Hero bets $1.00, BTN calls $1, BB folds Here is it standard bet. BTN probably have nothing because if he had something he would bet on the flop and BB checked to me twice so 2/3 of pot because there are almost no draws so I could take the pot down without a fight. River: ($3.50) 3 (2 players) Hero bets $2.10, BTN folds So I dont expect that BTN has here a fullhouse. So maybe hes got smt like missed draws KQTx or weak Ace which he didnt bet on flop? Maybe I should bet a little bit smaller smt like 1.70$ to get call from Axxx? His aggression on river is 2 and aggression frequency 21% so i dont expect that he would bluff here. and his wtsd is 34%. So probably smaller bet could be better after all. What do you think?

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games Here is one hand from today session: Boss $10.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1666972 The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter Hero (SB): $9.89 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 12, 3B: 1, AF: 2.9, Hands: 171997 BB: $15.72 - VPIP: 56, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 2.8, Hands: 93 CO: $30.47 - VPIP: 61, PFR: 5, 3B: 8, AF: 1.4, Hands: 159 BTN: $7.00 - VPIP: 86, PFR: 23, 3B: 10, AF: 0.8, Hands: 14138 Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with :Ac::Js::Ad::Kc: CO calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40, BTN calls $0.40 Flop: ($1.60) :7d::9s::Kh:(3 players) Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20, BTN folds Standard CB. BTN is pretty straightforward player and CO is unknown loosepassive. Turn: ($4.00) :5d:(2 players) Hero checks, CO checks Five completes straight so what now? I think that this type of player doesnt fold to 2nd barrel on this turn so I decided to go for pot control. River: ($4.00) :Qs: (2 players) Hero checks, CO checks Queen on river completes less probable straight to JTxx but there could be a 2p hands so I decided to check river too and hope that he has some kind of one pair hand. What do you think? And one question for admins: Why sometimes are shown pictures of cards (spade, diamond,etc) and sometimes there is only a link to the picture?:unsure Or should I every time use pictures from smileys list?

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games Boss $10.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1671470 The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter Hero (BTN): $9.85 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 12, 3B: 1, AF: 2.8, Hands: 173660 SB: $9.70 - VPIP: 40, PFR: 8, 3B: 2, AF: 2.2, Hands: 295 BB: $17.33 - VPIP: 62, PFR: 7, 3B: 3, AF: 1.7, Hands: 373 UTG: $20.60 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 126 MP: $8.50 - VPIP: 73, PFR: 33, 3B: 15, AF: 3.4, Hands: 248 CO: $7.10 - VPIP: 86, PFR: 34, 3B: 13, AF: 1.7, Hands: 170 Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with :Ah::Ad::5c::Th: 1 fold, MP raises to $0.35, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.35, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25 Flop: ($1.40) :4s::7h::Jh: (4 players) SB checks, BB bets $0.20, MP calls $0.20, Hero raises to $2.20, SB calls $2.20, BB folds, MP folds Probably nobody has here something good so I tried to take the pot down. Turn: ($6.20) :6h: (2 players) SB checks, Hero bets ?? Ok, I hit my nutflush so question is how much to bet here? He probably doesnt have set (I expect that he would 3bet it), so maybe he has some weak 2P or combodraw like 89Tx maybe weaker flush? He probably fold nonflush hands to my turn bet so should I bet here strong to get call only from weaker flush? Or is here anyone who would check here to induce a bluff on river?

[Woodie]

Re: PLO cash games I'm back playing plo after taking a break from poker. Last year played to many tables and was loosing but now back I've cut down on the tables only playing like 6/8 and seem to be back winning at a good win rate although only been playing plo 05 to get back into things, going to move up this week anyway I would bet like $2.90 on the turn the way he has just called from sb you wouldn't think he has a set maybe low flush/straight draws as you said.

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games Boss $10.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1682209 The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter BTN: $4.99 - VPIP: 73, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 0.8, Hands: 358 SB: $13.44 - VPIP: 72, PFR: 21, 3B: 9, AF: 2.0, Hands: 210 Hero (BB): $9.97 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 12, 3B: 1, AF: 2.8, Hands: 177983 CO: $10.35 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 22, 3B: 10, AF: 6.2, Hands: 1494 Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with :4h::6d::Qs::Kd: 1 fold, BTN calls $0.05, SB calls $0, Hero checks Flop: ($0.20) :6c::6h::9d: (3 players) SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BTN raises to $1.20, SB folds, Hero ??? Villain is very passive, his aggression on flop is 0.5 and aggression frequency on flop 17%, his wtsd is 49% so he is big calling station. I saw him to bet 1bb on river when he hits 2nd best straight. I think that in the best case we are against 6xxx, the worst is 99xx. Can someone find a good reason for call/stack off?

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games Boss $10.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1689554 The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter SB: $5.69 - VPIP: 74, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 2.2, Hands: 58 Hero (BB): $16.24 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 12, 3B: 1, AF: 2.8, Hands: 180785 CO: $9.23 - VPIP: 89, PFR: 46, 3B: 11, AF: 2.3, Hands: 72 BTN: $9.70 - VPIP: 36, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 3.2, Hands: 208 Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with :Ah::Th::Tc::Js: CO calls $0.05, 1 fold, SB calls $0, Hero checks Flop: ($0.20) :4h::7s::9c: (3 players) SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, CO calls $0.30, SB folds Turn: ($0.80) :8d: (2 players) Hero bets $0.70, CO calls $0.70 River: ($2.20) :2h: (2 players) Hero ??? Villain is 32/20/5.9 over 1.8k hands. Aggression on river is 3.6 and aggression frequency is 23%, wtsd is 25%. So what do you think is better action bet or check and induce a bluff (or thin valuebet with flush)??

[LordPalica]

Re: PLO cash games Boss $10.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players - The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter SB: $7.65 BB: $13.47 Hero (CO): $17.91 BTN: $5.82 Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with :Ah::2h::6d::5h: Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25 Flop: ($1.05) :9h::Qh::Kc: (3 players) SB bets $0.78, BB folds, Hero calls $0.78 I call here because villain has 32% donkbetting and I have position on him. Turn: ($2.61) :4h:(2 players) SB bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30 Here comes my gin card. I just call beacuase he bets only half potsize so probalby is scared. Im not sure if he calls raise because it looks pretty faceforward flush. River: ($5.21) :4c: (2 players) SB checks, Hero checks Bad card! If he has a straight now not only flushes beat him but fullhouses too. So I dont see call from worse hands. Villain is 47/11/2.5 over 300 hands, WTSD 23%.