justanotherpunter

Maybe on paper/overall - whenever I see an odds on fav 1/2 or shorter then I always back another to beat it - seems to work out ok for me - the rest is just history - can't make much profit on bygone days results - got to look for an edge

Day 15 Wetherby 4.55 Rowdy Rustler 20/1ew 5pl Southwell 5.30 The Tron 8/1ew Southwell 6.30 Dubai Jeanius 8/1ew 4pl Southwell 8.00 Ustath 8/1ew 4pl £3.00 ew lucky15 potential returns £2,227.76

Yep - need to pull your socks up men

Yes just now you can take a - price the night before but - see what happens if non runners appear and also no BOG soon

Stats can lie - I have never managed to make a profit betting long odds on shots in my lifetime - however by being slightly choosy and with some luck you can make some profit from longer odds shots. Look at your thread for instance ODDS ON SELECTIONS TRIAL - has this ever made you a decent profit ???? No matter how hard you try. By being selective to a degree however and with some decent luck odds prices 10/1-to over 100/1 have made me and others some decent profit in the long run. Try a system by following all punters selections on the naps table over a period of time - say 1 month ( can paper trade if you like - but I find that actual small stakes cash will give a truer reflection) - then take out all the non profitable punters - remove all the odds on selectors also - keep all the regular winners that show a profit - see how you get on. Adjust every month - take out non profitable punters - replace with some that perform better - rinse and repeat - works for me most times. Keep stakes small and have a hardcore of around 20 that you follow daily - see how you get on. Sorry to ramble on - giving away trade secrets - I may have to develop another system to replace - but getting on in years so not such a big deal for me.😀 Hope the above will give some clues/assistance to other punters on here - however I will stay away from odds on shots for the duration.

It would seem to be reasonable for punters to back 100/1+ shots as those that back 1/12 shots

I wonder if the brigadier gets early prices the night before and BOG in the other competition ????

Does bet365???? - you would get no BOG and get hammered with rule 4's all day long when non runners are announced

Yep exactly right - if you placed a bet at bet365 the night before - or before 10am soon to be - then you would get settled at SP If you placed a bet after 10am then you would get the price at time of bet - but also BOG I only stated - i.e. you will get settled at BOG or SP depending on what is placed in the rules by you- to allow for the possibility of these rules whatever mclarke decides to use for the competition - I would suggest SP if posted before this time - no early prices allowed - but this is not my call.

2. BOG available on selections posted after 10am on the day of the race, selections posted before this time will be settled at the price quoted Nope option 2 above states that you will get BOG after 10am but posters can still enter a price the night before and get settled at that price quoted i.e. if you post the night before and you select the price for example 20/1 -then you will get paid at 20/1 regardless if drifts or not. - only selections after 10am qualify for BOG or SP. option 5 (not officially) states that you can select a horse the night before but not the price - i.e. you will get settled at BOG or SP depending on what is placed in the rules by you. - in other words no early prices allowed.

Day 14 Wincanton 2.15 Good News 10/1ew -----lost 22/1 Wolverhampton 2.25 Coast 33/1ew -----lost 20/1 Nottingham 3.15 Spioradalta 18/1ew -----3rd 16/1 Nottingham 3.50 Byron Hill 20/1ew 4pl--lost 8/1 Day 14 loss £2.54 Overall £62.45 - £2.54 = £59.91 profit

Wolverhampton 4.10 Star Sound 7/1 £5 ew W Hill---3rd 6/1 - won £2.00 Wolverhampton 5.15 Cedar Cage 9/4 £10 win W Hill---lost -----lost £10.00 Lost £8.00 Total -£28.00

I was in favour of option 5 - BOG only avilable after 10am - but not applying to earlier selections Selections could be given before this time but settled at SP or BOG - whichever was chosen by Mclarke (no earlier prices allowed) In the event of only the above selections being available - then it would seem common sense to maintain the current rules.

Kempton 6.05 Wind In Your Sails 15/2 win bet365

Wolverhampton 4.10 Star Sound 7/1 £5 ew W Hill Wolverhampton 5.15 Cedar Cage 9/4 £10 win W Hill

Day 14 Wincanton 2.15 Good News 10/1ew Wolverhampton 2.25 Coast 33/1ew Nottingham 3.15 Spioradalta 18/1ew Nottingham 3.50 Byron Hill 20/1ew 4pl £3.00 ew lucky15 potential returns £18,595.37

Day 13 Thirsk 5.45 Rockley Point 12/1ew----lost 7/1 Southwell 6.30 Twilight Dancer 11/1ew----lost 11/2 Southwell 7.00 Sid's Annie 20/1ew----lost 20/1 Southwell 7.30 How Bizarre 7/1ew----3rd 4/1 Day 13 loss £2.76 Overall £65.21 - £2.76 = £62.45 profit

Thirsk 3.15 Wadacre Inca 14/1ew 4pl £5 ew W Hill----lost 12/1 Thirsk 5.45 Rockley Point 12/1ew 5pl £5 ew W Hill----lost 12/1 Total -£20

Thirsk 3.15 Wadacre Inca 14/1ew 4pl £5 ew W Hill Thirsk 5.45 Rockley Point 12/1ew 5pl £5 ew W Hill

Thirsk 5.45 Rockley Point 12/1 win bet365

Thirsk 5.15 Marbuzet Southwell 6.00 Covey Southwell 8.30 Eton College Fontwell 3.30 Saligo Bay

Day 13 Thirsk 5.45 Rockley Point 12/1ew 5pl Southwell 6.30 Twilight Dancer 11/1ew Southwell 7.00 Sid's Annie 20/1ew Southwell 7.30 How Bizarre 7/1ew £3.00 ew lucky15 potential returns £3,641.07 Nap - Thirsk 5.45 Rockley Point 12/1ew 5pl

Yes bummer - I have account with Bet365 - Coral - W Hill and Skybet -(never use for multiples due to no BOG) - I thought I had a place also till I checked that W Hill only did 3 places on that race - guess where I placed this bet ?? I will have to be more careful in future - I went for the 28/1 instead of 25/1 and got stung 😀

Day 12 Newcastle 5.30 Oriental Lilly 12/1ew----lost 28/1 Newcastle 7.30 Abnaa 28/1ew----lost 22/1 Newcastle 8.00 Northern Spirit 10/1ew----2nd 7/1 Newcastle 8.30 Athollbliar Boy 8/1ew----lost 9/1 Day 12 loss £2.70 Overall £67.91 - £2.70 = £65.21 profit

Good stuff - always glad to hear when anybody shows a profit and sticks it to the bookie - hope the profits keep rolling in