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    NAPS COMPETITION - Rules Amendment

    in NAP of the Day Competition

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    6 minutes ago, Zilzalian said:

    I am beginning to wonder if people have actually read the original thread or are they just reacting to the various comments? i have even gone to the trouble of reposting the original problem on this thread so people can see what is behind the proposed rule changes.

    I am thankful for your reposting  of the original problem.

    Which is precisely what I mention on my first post, there was no reasoning given behind the announced amendment.

    NAPS COMPETITION - Rules Amendment

    in NAP of the Day Competition

    Posted

    19 minutes ago, Zilzalian said:

     for those late to the party. Below is all i asked for nowhere does it demand anything. But for some reason that i can't fathom the very thought i asked became a problem.

    It has been said elsewhere that i got annoyed and stamped my feet, the only point at which i felt angry and reacted was when someone took it upon themselves to write this line and i quote.
    "Please desist in flouting the rules; it is not fair on all members that follow them"

     

    PROBLEM

    This post is in no way being critical of anyone least of all @MCLARKE. I have got a beef and would like some feedback. The naps table with its current rules in my opinion is not a level playing field. Here is my beef... I have two winning naps this month the first Botanik Bet365 BOG won for me at 9/1, it returned on the naps table at 11/4 a significant deduction you will all agree, the reason was because it was a French race rule- sp only, the second winner Techno Music bet365 BOG won at 28/1 returned on the naps table at 10/1 a significant reduction once again, the reason, it was a race in Germany rule-sp only. I contend that this is unfair and can see no reason for this/these rule/s and ask that it/they be scrapped maybe with a proviso that if asked, proof that the price claimed must be produced because I recognise that MCLARK has a difficult enough job as it is. The competition must be fair to all and those submitting naps on European races should not be penalised. I also realise that there is a rule that says Cards must be available in either the racing post and or Attheraces why? whats wrong with Bet365 or any other bog site PP Betvictor Betfred etc, the racing post has selected cards from all over the world as does ATR. oddly enough Hoppergarten Germany was on neither but unbelievably obscure cards were listed namely, seoul south korea and wadonga australia. but germany Hoppergarten wasnt.

    As Richard Nixon said "Trust, but verify".

    The provided proof has to be check with a third-party, to discard tampering, and for ease of this is that  SP is used, as it can be check on third-party websites (like racing post and attheraces). 

    NAPS COMPETITION - Rules Amendment

    in NAP of the Day Competition

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    9 minutes ago, MCLARKE said:

    I would imagine that most people would prefer the table to be updated on the day rather than the following afternoon / evening.

    Also, to check prices against oddscheckers it needs to be done on the day, I think the data is no longer available the following day (to my knowledge).

    Better to not assume what people prefer, as @LeMale mention, maybe a vote?

    Data is available later...an example:

    846426968_ScreenShot2022-08-22at12_37_32.png.376b39c10178fe4f0323713a1744b0be.png

    But please do not get me wrong, I am all for simplifyng the administration job, as clearly said by @PercyP.

    Again my issue was not knowing the reasons behind the amendments.

    NAPS COMPETITION - Rules Amendment

    in NAP of the Day Competition

    Posted

    1 hour ago, MCLARKE said:

    The new rule is to ensure that the naps table can be updated in a timely manner.

    The last race of the day in the UK / Ireland is no later than 9pm so this normally enables me to update the table by 11pm.

    If I had to wait until midnight then realistically the table wouldn't be updated until the following day (I need to sleep at some stage !).

    I thought that the admin work was the case but I did not want to assume anything. 

    I understand the reasoning, still I do not find anything wrong with having the table updated until the following day, people still go to see their movement on the table.

     

    NAPS COMPETITION - Rules Amendment

    in NAP of the Day Competition

    Posted

    - Objections will be minimal or non-existant if together with the amendments the reasoning for the change is included. This would provide transparency and allow people to understand where those amendments come from. Because frankly only stating recent discussions could left many people wondering what those were about.

    Objection to:

    3 hours ago, MCLARKE said:
    • Selections must run no later than the time of the last race in UK or Ireland.

    Current rule states:

     As of May 1st 2020, bets will count for the day the meeting started, regardless of the race time but all selections must be posted on the forum on the actual day of the competition. (this satisfies the 1 bet per day rule)

    That change came about because of the lack of races due to the pandemic to be able to satisfy 1 bet per day rule.

    Now the spirit of the rule is one bet per day (understood day as that of UK), therefore if the race is held in the day it should count.

    The audience is worldwide.

    Then, why put the limit to the last race in the UK or Ireland?  Why is the reasoning behind this?

     

    P.D.  Do any admin know if the topic of NAP rules has history enable to be able to see how the rules have evolve?

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