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Re: iPad2 Challenge - 888Poker / 1,3,7,& 9 April @ 19.00pm nice one Martyn :clap:clap:clap:clap
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Re: 888 premier league darts aberdeen well done on the win,as Morls said,you will have to pay for your own beer but instead of having to queue for it,you have waiter service. you will be sat to one side of the arena next to where they walk up to the stage and thats about it. have a good night :ok
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Re: PL Exclusive Betfair Poker Live Promo, Over $3000 added, Monthly Qualifier Sun 3 gl all playing tonight,i can`t get on with the software,tooo slow and very annoying so enjoy my chips
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Re: PL Exclusive Betfair Poker Live Promo, Over $3000 added, Monthly Qualifier Sun 3
no, read earlier postcan u send me also please? I've voted in poll ofc -
Re: PL Exclusive Betfair Poker Live Promo, Over $3000 added, Monthly Qualifier Sun 3
i didn't get the password by e-mail :(
neither of you qualify for the password at this time,please read post 1, but hang around be part of the community and maybe next time :okWhere i find the pw? thx :) -
Re: PL Exclusive Betfair Poker Live Promo, Over $3000 added, Monthly Qualifier Sun 3
sent :okCan I have password please only just voted in the poll. -
Re: ** Poker Diary Weekend 2nd-3rd April **
done mate, do you have the password for the game itself?Alan can you register me for the Plymouth Team on apat, waiting for a new PW
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Re: PL Exclusive Betfair Poker Live Promo, Over $3000 added, Monthly Qualifier Sun 3 password for tonights game please :ok
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Pot Control
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Pot control is the art of manipulating the size of the pot based on the relative strength of your hand. “Relative strength of your hand†refers to how strong your hand is in comparison to the likely range of hands of your opponent. This means that the tighter your opponent is, the stronger hand you will need to play a big pot and the looser your opponent is, the weaker your hand can be to play a big pot. For example if you have top pair against a calling station fish, you would usually be correct to place bigger bets on the flop, turn and river. With top pair against a tight nit, it’s more of a judgment call, but you still usually want to avoid a situation where you end up with all of your chips in the middle. Pot control is one of the most important skills for no-limit players. By keeping the pot the appropriate size, it becomes much easier to avoid mistakes. Pot control both keeps you out of trouble and gets as much value for your hand as possible. There are two parts to pot control: 1. Factors to consider 2. Implementation Factors to Consider When practicing pot control, there are several factors one must consider. The easiest is stack sizes. As a general rule the range of hands with which you’re willing to showdown with all the chips in the middle should be wider with a 50BB stack than with a 200BB stack. This means you should be much more willing to put a 50BB stack all in with top pair top kicker than you would with a 200BB stack.
The last factor to consider is the style of the opponent. This is closely related to the last factor but I have separated it for one reason. Two different styles of opponents can have a wide range but you want to practice pot control differently for each one. If you have top pair top kicker against a bad chaser, you will want to bet the hand aggressively and let him pay you off. If you have top pair top kicker against a tricky, aggressive player who has a wide range that you can’t read, you will want to practice pot control to keep the pot small. The aggressive player will be able to put you to difficult decisions in big pots if you don’t have a very defined range of hands for him. Implementation Implementation is the actual method you use to manipulate the pot to the size you want it to be. Implementation can include the decisions of whether to bet or check, raise or call, and sometimes fold. An easy example of this is the top pair top kicker vs. a calling station. If you believe the opponent is on a draw or weak hand and will call any bet, it’s a good idea to bet the full pot on the flop, turn, and sometimes the river. Occasionally, if you feel a weak opponent is on a draw that missed on the river, you can check to him on the river and call a bluff. Other times you will want to go ahead and bet the river again for value against a weaker hand. With top pair against an aggressive, tricky opponent, it becomes a little more difficult first on analyzing the factors and second on the actual implementation. Aggressive opponents make it difficult to manipulate the pot size because they sometimes raise with strong hands and sometimes with draws, making it difficult for you to distinguish between the two. That’s why I recommend playing for small pots against good aggressive opponents. They usually aren’t going to pay 100BBs to you with a hand weaker than top pair. Playing small pots against aggressive opponents means occasionally checking behind on the turn with your top pair and then betting again on the river. This line is very common and recognizable but it still keeps the pot small and tempts your opponents to call with weaker hands. It also means sometimes checking the flop – a common scenario for checking the flop is after 3-betting preflop with AK and then spiking a king. Against certain players, checking top pair here is a correct way to play the hand (occasionally, not every time). The logic behind this is that good, thinking players can pretty easily put you on AK, therefore making a continuation bet from you unprofitable – they will fold worse hands, and continue with strong hands. Of course you don’t want to get into the habit of defaulting to a certain line every time you play a hand against tough players. That would be easily exploited and therefore unprofitable. The best way to protect yourself against these tough players is to mix it up yourself so that they are uncertain of your holdings and less confident in their reads of you to push you around. There are a thousand ways to play a weak-ish hand for a small pot so I’m not going to get into them all in this article. But I hope I have at least given you something to think about the next time you hit the poker tables. Once you get into the habit of thinking like this, your results will improve dramatically
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Re: ** Poker Diary Weekend 2nd-3rd April **
team Kent? what's that about' date=' I'm looking for more games and live in Kent if you mean the county! :ok[/quote'] i do mean Kent mate, check out the Apat thread in the league forum,i take it your not a member of APAT? check them out. www.apat.com -
Re: Teaulc`s Omaha Cash Thread was i right to call? it was $1.68 to call into a pot of just over $3, i am always wary of flush draws on river but often or not when i fold i would have won ***** Cassava Hand History for Game 178814177 ***** $0.12/$0.25 Blinds Pot Limit Omaha - *** 02 04 2011 18:54:10 Table Fort Smith (Real Money) Seat 4 is the button Total number of players : 5 Seat 2: Pera_Pukama ( $29.27 ) Seat 4: thompa6367 ( $14.78 ) Seat 6: lulo60 ( $41.56 ) Seat 7: D00mtrain ( $56.39 ) Seat 9: DoubleFlush ( $20.82 ) lulo60 posts small blind [$0.12] D00mtrain posts big blind [$0.25] ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to D00mtrain [ Kd, 2s, Ah, Ts ] DoubleFlush folds Pera_Pukama folds thompa6367 calls [$0.25] lulo60 calls [$0.13] D00mtrain checks ** Dealing flop ** [ 2d, 8c, 4d ] lulo60 checks D00mtrain checks thompa6367 checks ** Dealing turn ** [ 2c ] lulo60 checks D00mtrain bets [$0.75] thompa6367 calls [$0.75] lulo60 folds ** Dealing river ** [ Jc ] D00mtrain checks thompa6367 bets [$1.68] D00mtrain calls [$1.68] ** Summary ** thompa6367 shows [ Kc, 5c, 3d, 5h ] D00mtrain mucks [ Kd, 2s, Ah, Ts ] thompa6367 collected [ $5.33 ]
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Re: Any Chance where i can read poker books online on the net ? try here http://www.punterslounge.com/webroot/forum/f62/nearly-every-poker-book-pdf-form-84602/index2.html
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Re: 2011 Stars cash challenge does this help? Concept: Expected Value The term "Expected Value" (also referred to as "EV" or "Expectation") is used a lot in poker strategy discussions, and if you've wondered what it means but never dared to ask, this is the article for you! The term originates in math (specifically probability mathematics) and is used to describe the long-term average outcome of a given scenario. In order to calculate expected value, you take every possible outcome, multiply each by the probability of that outcome happening, and then adding those numbers altogether. Sounds tricky? Let's look at an example. If you have a die, ordinary randomized six-sided die, and apply the above reasoning to find out what the expected value of rolling the die is, you end up with this: Rolling a "1" has a probability of 1/6. Rolling a "2" has a probability of 1/6. Rolling a "3" has a probability of 1/6. Rolling a "4" has a probability of 1/6. Rolling a "5" has a probability of 1/6. Rolling a "6" has a probability of 1/6. Multiplying the values with their respective probability gives: 1 * 1/6 = 1/6 2 * 1/6 = 2/6 3 * 1/6 = 3/6 4 * 1/6 = 4/6 5 * 1/6 = 5/6 6 * 1/6 = 6/6 Adding them together gives: 1/6 + 2/6 + 3/6 + 4/6 + 5/6 + 6/6 = 3.5 Thus, your expected value of a randomized die is 3.5. What if the die was weighted, so that the number "6" had a 50% chance of coming up? Well, if all the other numbers still had a uniform distribution ("equal chance of coming up in regards to each other"), you get this: 1 * 1/10 = 1/10 2 * 1/10 = 2/10 3 * 1/10 = 3/10 4 * 1/10 = 4/10 5 * 1/10 = 5/10 6 * 1/2 = 3 The sum of which is 4.5. Do you see why all the other numbers now only have a 10% chance of coming up? How does Expected Value relate to Poker? Now, enough with the dice. We're poker players, let's focus on cards. Expected Value is the basis for most non-psychogical poker strategies. Like limping with medium pairs if the pot is not raised and there are other players who limp as well - that's a play that may have positive Expected Value. The poker dilemma, mathematically speaking, is to always make the decision that has the highest expected value (for the sake of stringency it might be worth pointing out that the highest expected value may in some cases be negative, but less negative than any other course of action). To explain how expected value relates to poker, let's work with a (relatively) common scenario. You're playing Texas Hold'em, and you've somehow found yourself heads-up on the river, holding these cards: A♥ J♣ And the board shows: A♣ 10♣ 5♦ 8♣ 3♣ You're in first position, the pot is $100, and the big bet is $10. Do you bet? Let's say, for the sake of argument, that your opponent can hold any two cards and will always fold if he doesn't have a club. Let's also stipulate that he'll call a bet with any club, and make it two bets if he has the K♣ or Q♣. Let's also say that in case you check, he will bet with any club and check with no clubs. Let's do the math. Since he can hold any two cards, each of the individual clubs is as likely to be in his hand (and let's pretend that he can't have two of them - because we know him well enough to know that he would have raised the turn if he did). Note: We do not bother adding in the times when he has no club at all, in these scenarios. Your opponent will fold if you bet, and check if you check in these cases, and you will then always win the pot uncontested. For the mathematically curious, this actually has implications on the expected value for the situation as a whole, but not for the specific purpose that we're discussing it here: Determining the correct strategy. Scenario 1: You bet! If he calls, we know that it will be with an inferior hand because he would have bet a better hand. There are 6 possible clubs that he will call with. So six times, you will win an extra $10. As there are 8 clubs available, the chance of him calling is 6/8 (six out of eight): $10 * 6/8 = $7.5 If he raises, we know that you have a worse hand, and you will have lost $10. -$10 * 2/8 = -$2.5 So your expected value of betting here is $7.5 + (-)2.5 = $5. Not bad. Scenario 2: You check, with the intention of calling if he bets. (As above, you can safely ignore all the times when he has no clubs) 6 times out of 8, you will win when you call his bet, and 2 times you will lose. $10 * 6/8 = $7.5 -$10 * 2/8 = -$2.5 Here, again, is your expected value $5. Okay, so checking is as good as betting in this theoretical situation. What if we check with the intention of raising if he bets? Scenario 3: You check, with the intention of raising if he bets In order to figure this out properly, we now need to stipulate that he will always re-raise with the nuts, so if he does have the K♣, he will re-raise you and you will fold. To avoid adding too much confusion, we will pretend that he will still call your raise with any other club. If he has the K♣ you will fold and lose $20: -$20 * 1/8 = -$2.5 If he has the queen, you will get a showdown, but still lose $20. -$20 * 1/8 = -$2.5 If he has any other club, you will win $20: $20 * 6/8 = $15. Sum: $15 - $2.5 - $2.5 = $10.8. Conclusion on Expected Value In this theoretical situation, your expected value is $6 higher if you check and raise, instead of betting out. To maximize your winnings, therefore, you should always check in this situation, and raise if he bets, because that will give you an average profit that's half a big bet higher than just betting out (or checking and calling). With the relatively small edges that are in effect for poker players, getting those extra 0.5BB in where you can is often the difference between a long term winner and a long term loser. Is this really applicable? Yes, yes it is. In fact, virtually all that is widely considered "correct" poker is based on calculations like these. Check-raising, bluffing, calling with a decent but not strong hand, they're all plays based on the expected value. Of course, no one (okay, almost no one) actually calculates the exact values in their heads right there at the tables, but the strategies we play by are dictated by these numbers. Understanding how it works is not necessary to learn how to play, but it's necessary in order to review and analyze your own decisions, which is a very powerful way to strengthen your own game: Look at a specific hand, ask yourself "how could I have won more?" and do the calculations. Good luck!
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Re: APAT SEASON 5 ANNOUNCED - 1st Live Game 26th/27th March = Coventry
gonna miss this as well :\ its the wife`s birthday on this weekend so no chance of playing this,good luck to the PL Geordie gang who i am sure will be :ok888poker United Kingdom Amateur Poker Championship The UK Amateur Poker Championship will take place at Aspers Casino in Newcastle on April 23rd and 24th. Direct buy in and satellite details follow, and seats are sure to sell out quickly for one of the most prestigious events in the APAT calendar. Monday 4th April – 8pm - $20 Freezeout satellite Tuesday 5th April – 8pm - $10 Freezeout satellite Wednesday 6th April – 8pm - $5 Rebuy satellite Thursday 7th April – 9pm - $122 Direct Buyin -
Re: APAT SEASON 5 ANNOUNCED - 1st Live Game 26th/27th March = Coventry 888poker United Kingdom Amateur Poker Championship The UK Amateur Poker Championship will take place at Aspers Casino in Newcastle on April 23rd and 24th. Direct buy in and satellite details follow, and seats are sure to sell out quickly for one of the most prestigious events in the APAT calendar. Monday 4th April – 8pm - $20 Freezeout satellite Tuesday 5th April – 8pm - $10 Freezeout satellite Wednesday 6th April – 8pm - $5 Rebuy satellite Thursday 7th April – 9pm - $122 Direct Buyin
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Re: Punters Lounge Variant Poker Club - Single Draw 2-7 / Monday 4th April next game up in the lobby, 2-7 single draw no limit. Club ID: 100469 Tourney ID: 381182599 Date: 2011/04/04 20:30 WET Game Type: Single Draw 2-7 Betting Structure: NL Buy-in: USD 1.10 Tourney Structure: Regular Payout Structure: Top 20%
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Re: ** Poker Diary Weekend 2nd-3rd April ** also the start of the APAT League,Season 5 this Sunday,still looking for new members for team Kent :ok
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Re: PL Exclusive, GCasino/Blue Square League - $1700 added - STT Final Weds 30th Marc nice one Bart, well done :clap:clap:clap:clap
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Re: 2011 Stars cash challenge i think one thing staffy will learn from this is Pot -Control, an experience i am adjusting to. not easy this cash game.
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Re: PuntersLounge Exclusive Ladbrokes League Series - $500 Added - Grand Final Tues. well done Glen, enjoy the table, i was way too loose tonight but it was fun
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Re: Teaulc`s Omaha Cash Thread and should i have folded this post flop instead of re-raising? ***** Cassava Hand History for Game 88262239 ***** $0.25/$0.50 Blinds Pot Limit Omaha - *** 29 03 2011 16:37:56 Table Lahore (Real Money) Seat 6 is the button Total number of players : 4 Seat 1: wink42 ( $50.67 ) Seat 6: Mobuko ( $69.42 ) Seat 7: cyanid800 ( $29 ) Seat 9: D00mtrain ( $50.05 ) cyanid800 posts small blind [$0.25] D00mtrain posts big blind [$0.50] ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to D00mtrain [ Jh, 5h, Js, 3c ] wink42 calls [$0.50] Mobuko calls [$0.50] cyanid800 calls [$0.25] D00mtrain checks ** Dealing flop ** [ 4c, 7s, 6c ] cyanid800 bets [$1.50] D00mtrain raises [$6.50] wink42 folds Mobuko folds cyanid800 raises [$20] D00mtrain raises [$30] cyanid800 calls [$7] ** Dealing turn ** [ 8s ] ** Dealing river ** [ Jc ] ** Summary ** cyanid800 shows [ Qh, Ac, Qs, 8c ] D00mtrain shows [ Jh, 5h, Js, 3c ] cyanid800 collected [ $56.50 ]
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did i play this badly? :unsure i admit i got lucky on the river but the way he put out a small bet on the turn made me think he was trying to take what little there was in the pot. ***** Cassava Hand History for Game 88260318 ***** $0.25/$0.50 Blinds Pot Limit Omaha - *** 29 03 2011 16:24:29 Table Lahore (Real Money) Seat 9 is the button Total number of players : 4 Seat 2: lathukorala ( $29.18 ) Seat 4: joerg13 ( $12.68 ) Seat 7: watthefuk222 ( $40.19 ) Seat 9: D00mtrain ( $41.88 ) lathukorala posts small blind [$0.25] joerg13 posts big blind [$0.50] ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to D00mtrain [ Td, Th, 4s, Kh ] watthefuk222 raises [$1.75] D00mtrain calls [$1.75] lathukorala folds joerg13 folds ** Dealing flop ** [ 7s, 3c, 9d ] watthefuk222 checks D00mtrain checks ** Dealing turn ** [ 3s ] watthefuk222 bets [$2.12] D00mtrain calls [$2.12] ** Dealing river ** [ Ts ] watthefuk222 checks D00mtrain bets [$8.49] watthefuk222 calls [$8.49] ** Summary ** D00mtrain shows [ Td, Th, 4s, Kh ] watthefuk222 mucks [ Ks, Kc, 2s, 8h ] D00mtrain collected [ $24.20 ]
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Re: Punters Lounge Variant Poker Club - Mixed Omaha Hi-Lo - Monday 28th March thoroughly enjoyed last nights game,well pleased to come back from nothing to finish 2nd, a solid game played by glceud (winner) and ooblio (3rd) just didnt know when to lie down and give up,not for the want of trying.
PuntersLounge Exclusive Unibet Open Freerolls - $1500 added - Next games Mon 18 April
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Re: PuntersLounge Exclusive Unibet Open Freerolls - $1500 added - Next game Mon 4 Apr can someone pm me with the passwords please, had a pm clear-out and i deleted them :\