[What would you do?]

Re: What would you do? except you can fold a make a move on your terms - I would guarentee my seat in the next tourney first before committing chips to an AI people will be scared to play now and when you get to the last 4 or so, there will be better spots to get your money in the middle (i.e. first) and with worse hands than AK, to gain chips - let the others bust first If I already had my seat to the next tounry (i.e. was on the final table) I am calling all day in this situation, but I haven't as yet, so I would fold if Mick calls he has 16BB or so rather than 8 - not much of a difference if the blinds are that big as all that happens is he gets to last an orbit or two longer than he can now (am assuming antes are in play, if not then he could fold 4-5 orbits before he feels the pinch of being dragged back into the hole he is currently in) because there is not any bigger stacks with which to double up again. Obviously with 16BB he can take a shot and knock out a 4BB stack and this gains him a couple more orbits to fold his hands before playing again. he is desperate, but so is everyone else, and being in 5th then twice as many are more desperate than him and are more likely to make a move first and as everyone has about the same blinds (most would have 4-6 BB) you will end up with 4 out to burst the bubble and the 4 who won the AI confrontations will now have about 8-10BB each, about the same as Mick has. Just the way i would play it Damo

[Example Hands - Shoving with Crap]

Re: Example Hands - Shoving with Crap thanks GaF - I have all the info I need now:ok cheers Damo

A "typical" situation here - If I'm Small Blind and everyone folds to me, and the smaller of my stack and the BB's stack is less than about 5xBB then I almost always shove with any 2....

[What would you do?]

Re: What would you do?

1st prize is seat to GUKPT tour and expenses 2nd to 10th get a $100 satellite ticket for same event. Also note there was no more than 8BB between top and bottom positions. A double up would make me chip leader by a wide margin.

easy fold Damo

[Pop Quiz (part XXXIV) - Call or Fold]

Re: Pop Quiz (part XXXIV) - Call or Fold

Nade, Good thread this Damo:clap

ta :ok it looks like an easy call, but this is the situation i find the most difficult to assess (as it appears some others here do). I am really enjoying what people are putting up here, lots of good arguements either way, am looking forward to few more posts (hopefully) am just wondering what folks think the other 2 players might have given what has happened? Damo

[What would you do?]

Re: What would you do?

i think i'd probably call:unsuredepends on the prize values as well,if 1st to 3rd get a high percentage then i'm calling ,if its a more even payout i may fold. with the all in i would guess he doesnt have aces or ks so with the blinds that high its a good value call against anything else ,that said i wouldnt want a race if 10th was decent money:ok

Hmmm - I assumed that the top ten get the same prize as it is a freeroll? (like entry to main event final on the pokersite for a shot at entry into the actual live tourney) Mick - could you clarify what the prizes were please? Damo

[Example Hands - Shoving with Crap]

Re: Example Hands - Shoving with Crap

You're right i probably should do it more' date=' but the situation where i don't like raising is when there are 4 left there will be the chip leader on say 6k, i'll be on 3k, next will have 2.5k and short stack 1.5k with blinds at 200/400. As i said i expect the short stack will be tempted to go all in with anything and if i call with a marginal hand and lose the race which is a 50/50 chance then my stack is chopped in 2 and im then the short stack with 1.5k. In these situations should i be looking to take the blinds of the uber short stack or the bigger stacks, the latter is what i tend to do if the uber short stack has already folded.[/quote'] a-ha - thats a completely different scenario - depends on position and cards and how loose you think they are and how loose you think you are perceived Damo

[Badly played Aces?]

Re: Badly played Aces?

Before I ask you to disect my play, my thinking was that Chess' 5xBB raise and Staffy's subsequent call meant they had a good high pair 9's to KK, AK or AQ. All my actions on the flop and the turn were designed to sweeten the pot and not frighten them off the pot. I only feared a picture card. My check call on the river was down to complete confusion. Should I have played it differently? Should I have considered the set at any point (which I clearly didn't!!)? Thanks in advance Steve:ok

if you put them on those ranges then why not raise more PF as they have hands to call a larger than normal re-raise with? once chess calls, staffy has great odds to call with ATC (about 4-1) so if he is playing 9 10 s for instance he will call here and hope to flop a monster. I would have personally bet pot at least on the flop, you don't want to let staffy/chess to call cheaply with any draw they might have - once they call your flop bet, I would be concerned about how good my hand is and probably just check/call the turn and river (like you did) so, raise more PF if you put them on such good cards and a decent bet on the flop to shut out the draws (of course chess might well shove your flop bet n which case you need to think about it!) re sweetening the pot - best to sweeten it when you have a made hand, not when you have a nice over pair against 2 oppo's - it is better to win a small pot than lose a big one just my thoughts Damo

[What would you do?]

Re: What would you do?

with 6xbb I'm deffo calling.. You could even have him dominated you can't miss this chance' date=' you are [b']only afraid of AA and KK.. quote] you are? I am afraid of every holding he has, why gamble when you might only be a 70/30 fav? why take the risk of missing?, best to fold and bully the other middle stacks and pick a better spot - doubling up in chips make no difference at all in this scenario - the aim is to reach 10th, not 1st, you don't need any more chips than it will take to reach 10th - let others worry about bubbling and fold Damo

[What would you do?]

Re: What would you do?

be that with the blinds so high people will be making moves all-in with much worse hands than this. With only 6xBB you need to make a move soon though so maybe this is the point!

but he is not making a move - he is calling a move He is better to make a move first, not call an AI to a player who has him covered this is an easy lay down Damo

[What would you do?]

Re: What would you do?

Playing in the GUKPT freeroll last night and after more than 2 hours we're down to 2 tables of 6. Top ten get paid. I'm 5th in chips with about 50k and in the big blind with AKs' date=' blinds are 4k, 8k. UTG folds, second position goes all in and has me just covered, folds round to me...[/quote'] fold, you have no FE to move him off his hand as he is already AI and you are at best a 70/30 fav if he has Ax easy lay down for me - I would defo lay down QQ here and maybe KK (dependant on how short the shorties are and how soon they are going to be blinded out) Damo

[Example Hands - Shoving with Crap]

Re: Example Hands - Shoving with Crap

Gaf do you play the same if you know the short stack will call you with those chip positions

probably yes - it depends how much the short stack is compared to the blinds - remember unless shortie has an over pair and or the same high card with a better kicker, he will be at best a 60/40 fav, more likely 55/45 (or coinflipping as some people say....:eyes) with a couple of over cards, so GaF is not too far behind in the race to win, and the person who really benefits from this, is the other guy, the one who has already folded because:

• GaF might win and therefore he is in the cash
• the shortie calls and doubles up so it makes the real shorties play dead simple now as he has to double up and therefore he is AI (or fold) the next hand regardless of his cards, he no longer has to play the waiting game for the other one to call

Damo

[Example Hands - Shoving with Crap]

Re: Example Hands - Shoving with Crap

I'm always wary when raising with crap if there are uber short stacks(about 3/4blinds left) left to act as i always feel they should be calling with virtually any 2 cards so i wait for hands like J10 which are marginal but have a better chance than 10' date='6 like in your example. What's your thought process to be able to shove with anything?[/quote'] thats easy - neither of them wants to go broke and end up third so they will continue to fold hoping the other makes the 'mistake' and calls this is pretty standard stuff so best add it to your repotoire if you are not doing this :ok Damo

[GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85)]

Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank $167.19)

I say again - their weakness is your strength ......you WANT them to be playing badly - then it's just a question of working out how you can best profit from it - the better they play' date=' the harder it is to work out how to beat them....[/quote'] BTW don't get me wrong, I am not steaming, just amazed how poor some players are (and realising how poor I once was!) I know that posting here and playing in the (very) tough PL only games has made me a better player - I just to need to tweak my game back to a lower level and win my BR back I think I need to read this great article by Dan N some more http://www.montereyherald.com/danielnegreanu/ci_6618400?nclick_check=1 Damo ps thanks for the words of encouragement :)

[GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85)]

Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank $167.19)

I say again - their weakness is your strength ......you WANT them to be playing badly - then it's just a question of working out how you can best profit from it - the better they play' date=' the harder it is to work out how to beat them....[/quote'] I agree entirley and I think I have - just play on the flop when i know how good my hand is rather than gamble PF. though in the last game even though I had OESD 98 on 764r board the villian decided to call my CRAI for another 1400 with his AK just in case...... :rollin Damo

[GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85)]

Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank $167.19) this is what I mean about FE - yes I am a shortie and yes the other shortie calls, but I would never make the call the SB did even with that stack - its another 370 to win 890 in a multi way pot he is risking nearly a 1/5th of his stack with K2s :eyes and thats the reason he called, they are soooooooted - I bet fecking womble doesn't realise he is only about 2% better with K2s than with K2 off hahahahahahahaha Damo ***** Hand 760614895 ***** 25.00/50.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 20 September 2007 21:16:33 5 Player $5 NL (Real /Tournament ) Seat 1: LEOWIN25 (480.00) Seat 2: corrado54 (2355.00) Seat 3: Kissgé (1855.00) Seat 4: badboy35 (2390.00) Seat 5: robilaruk (420.00) badboy35 post SB 25.00 robilaruk post BB 50.00 ** Deal ** robilaruk [Ad, 4h] *** Bet Round 1 *** LEOWIN25 Call 50.00 corrado54 Fold Kissgé Fold badboy35 Call 50.00 robilaruk All-in 420.00 LEOWIN25 Call 420.00 badboy35 Call 420.00 *** Flop(Board): *** : [Qs, 9c, As] *** Bet Round 2 *** badboy35 Check LEOWIN25 Check *** Turn(Board): *** : [Qs, 9c, As, 10d] *** Bet Round 3 *** badboy35 Check LEOWIN25 Check *** River(Board): *** : [Qs, 9c, As, 10d, Jd] *** Bet Round 4 *** badboy35 Bet 200.00 LEOWIN25 Fold *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 1260.00 LEOWIN25 Fold Win: 0.00 corrado54 Fold Win: 0.00 Kissgé Fold Win: 0.00 badboy35 [Kd, 2d] Ace high straight Win: 1260.00

[GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85)]

Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank $167.19)

By the time I am HU on these I seldom make any moves other than all in or fold..... The most critical thing isn't your opponent IMO, it's stack size to blinds....If that is low enough, I'm all in with any 2 against any opponent....

having played them i agree, you are normally HU by 200/400 at least, so any raise is a fair proportion of your stack (3K) I find that in a full game, with a few more chips you still get to HU at 150/300 200/400, but have maybe 6K to play with rather than 3K, so twice as many blinds leaves a bit more room to play Damo

[GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85)]

Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank $122.18)

No problem :ok Not sure how useful it will be for you though :unsure (i''l get you on MSN and share hole cards)

going through the gears - I play ultra tight from the off and wait and wait and wait - sometimes perhaps too long because I know that even if i shove my A8 on the button for my last 1K at 100/200 blinds the guy on the BB with 2000 is calling with his K10 coz its pretty...... (so i probably missed an opportunity the orbit before when i had 1300 chips to shove with J9 etc) i think you go thru the gears well and this is something I need to tweak Damo ps I know its a ball ache but if you prefer why not send me a few HH's when you shoved with less than good cards but in the right position - thats what I need to work on:ok

[GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85)]

Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank $167.19) to follow on re HU play - hyper aggression is not the key, what is the most important thing for me is your read on the player you are playing

• if they are loose raise only top 20% of hands and limp the next 10% and raise more than your normal as they are more likely to call (for me that would be 4BB raise)

• if they are fairly tight then raise top 40% and keep it standard (for me thats about 2.5 BB)

• if they are a rock then raise everything and probably only a couple of blinds at most (sometimes a min raise and a half is enough) as they are likely to fold most hands, so you keep you variance low with minimum risk to your stack and if they do call you know you need help!

the problem comes when the blinds to stack ratio is unfavourable because you end you shoving and calling with a wider range of hands as a 'normal 3BB raise' takes up 40% of our stack - thats when a grasp of fold equity comes into play and perhaps why i lost so many games. Its an obvious shove to me with K8 if I am first to act, but not an obvious call with Q6 if I am the BB to some one who has shoved. I found that players at this level did the opposite of what I would do in these situation and had me well kippered :lol (so they played perfectly against my style :ok) Damo

[GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85)]

Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank $122.18)

If you get your "fair share" of firsts and seconds, then 70/30 or 65/35 has no impact :unsure If you are a good HU player, then 70/30 is better If you are a bad HU player then 65/35 is better (and you're probably better off on full tables, whatever the split) I imagine with your aggression, you're not a bad HU player?

I would agree with you I feel I am a slightly better than average HU player at this level due to the amount of games I have played in the last 3 or 4 years - now this is going to sound pompus but it isn't. I have a basic grasp of fold equity, I feel that others at this level don't, so with blinds at 200/400 and equal stacks of about 3K or so I would not call a shove on my BB with Q8 suited for instance, however others did when i shoved, so I end up being a 60/40 fav or so with my Ax Kx etc and lose - and I tried the tactic of a raise to 2BB as well and found i still got a call - so i figured I might as well shove and hope my 60/40 holds up, however it didn't on too many occasions :lol I think i had 3 firsts out of the 20 approx ITM finishes i had - it was pitiful :$ I remember in two games hitting an ace on the river to go with my AA and having that ace make their straight on the board when they called PF with Q10 etc lol I am going to shadow you at some point and watch you play to get some pointers (if thats ok?) Cheers Damo

[GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85)]

Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank $122.18)

I'd like to know what you see as a 'normal' ROI in the long term?

at full tables at least 20%, probably closer to 25% at low levels - if you can't manage that then you are probably not ready to move up. given my recent experience ( I know a pitiful sample size of nearly 40 games over a 2 day period ) I was placed ITM 50% of the time at the 5 handed turbo's and had a -tive ROI due to the majority of 2nd places I was getting. I can't see how these can be profitable in the long run due to the 70/30 split, if they made it 65/35 that would have a +tive difference to the ROI and make them more attractive Damo

[Table Balancing on Boss]

Re: Table Balancing on Boss in the $ challenge last night and 14 left the top 6 (of which i was 4th) where all on the same table - the other stack on our table was 9th I had about 100K or so, the chip leader had about 250K it was fecking carnage! you had to be raising 6-8BB at least (1K/2K blinds) to get any respect at all (i.e only one caller not 4 to a 4BB raise....... LOL) I would have loved to be on the other table, the big stack there had about 50K and everyone between 6-20K or so - and they all were playing soooooo tight with the big stack clueless and folding every hand..... :eyes Damo

[Pop Quiz (part XXXIV) - Call or Fold]

this is where I struggle in MTT's so any help appreciated there are about 9 to go before we hit ITM and the level finishes/break is in about 2 mins The CO makes a min raise and the button calls - with the antes, the pot is 5200 and its 800 more to call - however i will be OOP and 800 is a major chunk out of my stack ( I have 6076 after posting BB and ante) so who is calling and who is folding? and why please (am assuming no one is shoving? feel free to diasgree!) cheers Damo 400.00/800.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 19 September 2007 21:04:44 $1,000 GTD REBUY (Real /Tournament ) Seat 1: robilaruk (6956.00) Seat 2: gittachen (16399.00) Seat 3: Bronki (37280.00) Seat 4: thowi1337 (12770.00) Seat 5: Jebora (55651.00) Seat 6: stealthy (21118.00) Seat 7: frann (15077.00) Seat 8: cdrik77 (6655.00) Seat 10: katarzis (33363.00) katarzis post SB 400.00 robilaruk post BB 800.00 ** Deal ** robilaruk [10d, Qd] *** Bet Round 1 *** ALL FOLD frann Raise to 1600.00 cdrik77 Call 1600.00 katarzis Fold Hero??????

[GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85)]

Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank $82.80) handbags handbags handbags :rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin Damo

[GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85)]

Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread

you needed a password ... which you got from a magazine ... which you PAID FOR! :@

W H Smith :eyes Damo :lol:lol:lol ps well done GaF :)

[funny as fcuk (72os Bragging Thread)]

Re: funny as fcuk (72os Bragging Thread) as folks call shoves with any old shite in the $ rebuy I thought it was pointless to wait for aces to shove with :rollin Damo