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Totally agree but think he's already there. I've been impressed with Hanagan' date=' Tudhope and Mulrennan this season. I think Ryan Moore is probably way out in front of everyone and Buick is one I trust with my money but I'd take Tudhope over most of the other jockeys riding at the moment. I've seen him ride some brilliant races from the front, knowing exactly when to kick for home and also seen him ride some hold up races when he's timed the finish to perfection. He's better than Hughes, Fallon, Dettori and Spencer and a few of the other trainers are just starting to see it and booking him.[/quote'] Tudhope's rise in recent seasons has coincided with the meteoric rise of young trainer D O'Mera who I also predicted a couple of years ago would become a top 20 trainer in the next few years. Tudhope has had the odd few bookings from big southern stables this year , if the trend continues he could be the one that Newmarket trainers want when they send one to York , Haydock , Doncaster etc... I wouldn't say he's better than Hughes , Fallon , Dettori and Spencer yet , give him a few more years and I think he will get there , Tudhope needs more big race experience. As I've said in previous posts Fallon and Dettori are on the decline. You cannot rely on them any more , its probably due to age. In betting for the silver saddle in the Shergar Cup Dettori was 3/1 fav , it was no surprise to me he came stone cold last with a measly 3 points. Why Qatar has given him a retainer makes no sense based on his recent history , its more political than riding form. Will the Qararis replace him on Treve in the Arc ?

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Its very very disappointing to hear F Lynch has been given the opportunity to ride in Britain from tomorrow. i'm sure my views are shared by thousands and thousands of horse racing fans up and down the country. It was typical of the Racing Post to have a big feature on him to help soften the blow.
Its no surprise trainer K Burke is a vocal advocate of Lynch. K Burke himself was banned from the sport too for a few years. Strangely his wife took up training at the same time his husband was banned and quit training when her husbands ban expired. It makes a mockery of banning trainers when all that happens is that a spouse or family member takes over. Theres been many cases in recent years , the most recent is Alan Jarvis ( not sure whether his ban was justified or not ) , his son took over the stable. He managed to get the license by claiming he had nothing to do with his father. Do we really think father and son have no connection ?

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Agreed. Tudhope and Atzeni' date=' two finds of the season[/quote'] Totally forgotten to mention Atzeni. I've seen him with some brilliant rides this season, especially at York and Doncaster. Him and Tudhope 2 of my favourite and most profitable this season. Whoneedsrio and I joked about him last season using his whip like it was a stick of celery and being weak in a finish. This season he's come on leaps and bounds and has been bloody brilliant.

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Tudhope's rise in recent seasons has coincided with the meteoric rise of young trainer D O'Mera who I also predicted a couple of years ago would become a top 20 trainer in the next few years. Tudhope has had the odd few bookings from big southern stables this year , if the trend continues he could be the one that Newmarket trainers want when they send one to York , Haydock , Doncaster etc... I wouldn't say he's better than Hughes , Fallon , Dettori and Spencer yet , give him a few more years and I think he will get there , Tudhope needs more big race experience. As I've said in previous posts Fallon and Dettori are on the decline. You cannot rely on them any more , its probably due to age. In betting for the silver saddle in the Shergar Cup Dettori was 3/1 fav , it was no surprise to me he came stone cold last with a measly 3 points. Why Qatar has given him a retainer makes no sense based on his recent history , its more political than riding form. Will the Qararis replace him on Treve in the Arc ?
Tudhope hasn't ridden in the classics and had the weight of expectation on his shoulders but he's stood out at the crappier meetings like Thirsk and Beverley on average horses, the sort of meetings where you won't see Hughesy and co. It's ok these top jockeys getting all the best rides at the best meetings but they don't always do it day in day out on the handicappers too. Maybe they've earned that right? It might have been on here or elsewhere but it was noticed recently that Oisin Murphy was on a horse for Godolphin and someone suggested they might try and snap him up and then have Fallon guiding him, almost like a mentor. That would be interesting but they really need to sort out their breeding operation at Godolphin, miles behind Coolmore. I've also been impressed with Cam Hardie and he looks to be a young lad going places. As for O'Meara, been to his stables and followed his horses closely this season. He's really shy and reserved but seems like a really decent bloke and has a habit of improving horses once they get to his stables. He has a decent setup and some dedicated staff and always worth following his horses at York, loves a winner or two there. The Direct Racing Club set up with his runners seems worth the money too, about £130 a year to be part of the syndicate, Rio has been plenty with owners badges and they seem to update their website with info regularly.

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Re: The Jockey Thread What about the unabated ascendency of Oisin Murphy? I know he fairly burst on to the scene last season but he has been nothing short of brilliant so far this season. His polished style and tactical awareness is quite something for one so young. Losing his claim has done nothing to stem the flow of winners and the breadth of trainers giving him rides is a good indication of the regard in which he is held - even when he was able to claim 3lb he was getting booked for non-handicap races where he could not claim with Hot Streak in the Temple Stakes the most notable example. Be amazed if he is not champion jockey very soon and I think he could even do it within the next 2 seasons with the right backing.

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What about the unabated ascendency of Oisin Murrphy? I know he fairly burst on to the scene last season but he has been nothing short of brilliant so far this season. His polished style and tactical awareness is quite something for one so young. Losing his claim has done nothing to stem the flow of winners and the breadth of trainers giving him rides is a good indication of the regard in which he is held - even when he was able to claim 3lb he was getting booked for non-handicap races where he could not claim with Hot Streak in the Temple Stakes the most notable example. Be amazed if he is not champion jockey very soon and I think he could even do it within the next 2 seasons with the right backing.
You might have been typing same time as me, see above regarding Oisin Murphy and Godolphin. :ok

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It might have been on here or elsewhere but it was noticed recently that Oisin Murphy was on a horse for Godolphin and someone suggested they might try and snap him up and then have Fallon guiding him, almost like a mentor. That would be interesting but they really need to sort out their breeding operation at Godolphin, miles behind Coolmore. I've also been impressed with Cam Hardie and he looks to be a young lad going places.
I seriously hope that does not happen. Barzalona and SDS were two of the most promising jockeys of their generation and Godolphin did nothing to nurture their development.. Whole Godolphin operation has massive issues in my opinion, the management seems to lack any real coherent long term vision. As you say their breeding operation is really coming unstuck in recent years - clearly the birds are coming home to roost now with their refusal to use Coolmore sires and they have some overly stamina laden bloodlines as a result.

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Great to see D Tudhope a decent up and coming jockey riding well. He's going to be a top 10 jockey in time.
Great to see D Tudhope ride a double yesterday at Ripon which included the Big race the Great St Wilfred. keep your eye on him he's a jockey of the future

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Great to see D Tudhope ride a double yesterday at Ripon which included the Big race the Great St Wilfred. keep your eye on him he's a jockey of the future
Not that it matters but he grew up just along the road from me.

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joseph obriens ride on kingsbarns today what was that all about??
Was going to say the same thing yesterday. S Heffernan on the winner was always travelling the best and Kingsbarns for the final furlong and a bit was just half a neck down Heffernan not making much effort to assert and Young Joseph rowing away like mad. It looked like Heffernan wanted Kingsbarns to get past and win but couldn't. This reminds me of a long debate we had on here a year or two back when St Nicholas Abbey was beaten by his 66/1 pacemaker. AP O'Brien is quoted afterwards saying they thought the horse would get tired and may need the run. The horse was odds on in the morning and drifted to 9/4 whereas the winner , not as big as 66/1 shortened to 13/2.

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noel garbutt what age is he?? is he late to racing as an apprentice?
They have lifted the age limit for apprentices , you can be an apprentice or conditional until you ride out your claim. Up until sometime in the last decade , once you reached 25 years of age you became a jockey and lost you right to claim. I think Kim Tinkler ( wife of trainer N Tinkler ( Sugarfoot Group race winner)one of the most successful female jockeys prior to the emergence of Hayley Turner , did not ride out her claim but lost her right to claim , she was a moderately successful jockey until her retirement very recently. Now we have jockeys able to claim at all ages , theres a jockey currently riding who has a cult following who is in her late 40s.

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Re: The Jockey Thread Tom Queally should consider an early retirement too, he's been SHOCKING this season, no wonder Lady Cecil helped pack his bags. He's been on a string of good chance runners over the last few weeks, and he's bagged absolutely nothing, rides with zero passion and it looks like his mind / racing head is elsewhere. PISS POOR! http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/profiles/jockey/1207/t-p-queally

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Re: The Jockey Thread Jockeys fighting in pub! This CCTV video captures the moment a brave landlord stood his ground when fighting broke out in his pub, using a POOL CUE to break up the brawlers. The ruckus started when former Grand National jockey Sean Quinlan, racehorse trainer Paul O'Neill and friend Luke Cooper set upon drinkers Martin Reeves and Adam Smith. During the two minute video they can be seen punching, kicking and throwing bar stools at the two victims while they are on the floor.

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They have lifted the age limit for apprentices , you can be an apprentice or conditional until you ride out your claim. Up until sometime in the last decade , once you reached 25 years of age you became a jockey and lost you right to claim. I think Kim Tinkler ( wife of trainer N Tinkler ( Sugarfoot Group race winner)one of the most successful female jockeys prior to the emergence of Hayley Turner , did not ride out her claim but lost her right to claim , she was a moderately successful jockey until her retirement very recently. Now we have jockeys able to claim at all ages , theres a jockey currently riding who has a cult following who is in her late 40s.
As far as I'm aware you can be considered an apprentice until you are 26, I believe it's the same with conditionals. However, you can be an amateur jockey at any age and continue to claim an allowance if you have not rode the winners.

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Jockeys fighting in pub! This CCTV video captures the moment a brave landlord stood his ground when fighting broke out in his pub, using a POOL CUE to break up the brawlers. The ruckus started when former Grand National jockey Sean Quinlan, racehorse trainer Paul O'Neill and friend Luke Cooper set upon drinkers Martin Reeves and Adam Smith. During the two minute video they can be seen punching, kicking and throwing bar stools at the two victims while they are on the floor.
Be interesting to see what the BHA do about this one! Many want them to ban him from riding but I can't see that. If he gets a custodial sentence then I could understand the ban, but when all sorts of characters are getting back into the sport after questionable actions I can't see him getting banned for life.

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As far as I'm aware you can be considered an apprentice until you are 26' date=' I believe it's the same with conditionals. However, you can be an amateur jockey at any age and continue to claim an allowance if you have not rode the winners.[/quote'] Yes , you could be right , I did not search for confirmation prior to posting , I just thought I read they lifted the age limit sometime in the last decade , I may be wrong. In your popular Apprentice Watch thread , you posted a chart featuring apprentices which included the competent multiple Group race winning Slade O'Hara , he is currently claiming 3lbs. He started riding in 2002 which means he's been riding 12 years. I don't know for sure what the minimum age is for apprentice jockeys but I guess it is 16. If that is so then Slade would have to be at least 27 depending on which month his birthday falls on , so maybe the information you posted is from an old text book or an out of date piece of text.

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Yes , you could be right , I did not search for confirmation prior to posting , I just thought I read they lifted the age limit sometime in the last decade , I may be wrong. In your popular Apprentice Watch thread , you posted a chart featuring apprentices which included the competent multiple Group race winning Slade O'Hara , he is currently claiming 3lbs. He started riding in 2002 which means he's been riding 12 years. I don't know for sure what the minimum age is for apprentice jockeys but I guess it is 16. If that is so then Slade would have to be at least 27 depending on which month his birthday falls on , so maybe the information you posted is from an old text book or an out of date piece of text.
We'll see if he's still allowed to claim next year ;) My info's from the BHA website. However, I did read it some time ago.

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We'll see if he's still allowed to claim next year ;) My info's from the BHA website. However, I did read it some time ago.
A jockey who I have always followed is Ann Stokell , not because she is considered a good / successful jockey but the fact she is a trier and when she wins its one for the little guys. I think she is a similar age to myself , mid to late 40s. I first noticed her name during the late 80s when she was more prolific in the national Hunt scene , at the time she must have been under 25 and therefore if I recall correctly she claimed 7lb. As far as I am aware she did not / or still has ridden many winners. By the early 90s she must have reached her late 20s and therefore lost her right to claim. Back to the last few years , her claim has been retrospectively re-applied.

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Re: The Jockey Thread Just searched for confirmation in what I have said and checked on the history of Pawan , one of the most popular horses in the past decade ( in the cult sense ). Pawan raced 168 times , Ann rode him in all his starts except for the first 6 races. The first few dozen races she had no claim , then in February 2006 she went back to having a 7lb claim , which has now been reduced to 5lbs as of 2014. This doesn't totally confirm what I have said but its pretty much what I have alluded.

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Re: The Jockey Thread Hmm very interesting and strange at the same time! Was thinking she might be registered as an amateur jockey, but could find no record of her holding an amateur license so as much as I hate being wrong, I will bow to your superior knowledge on this occasion ;)

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Great to see D Tudhope ride a double yesterday at Ripon which included the Big race the Great St Wilfred. keep your eye on him he's a jockey of the future
Fantastic to see him win a Gr1. In a few years its highly likely he will be top class. He's a name a I search out for when I open the racing papers.

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