Champions League » Tuesday Oct 20

[JohnZ_A]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21

Hugo Lloris, Steve Mandanda, Francois Clerc, Jeremy Toulalan, Mathieu Bodmer, Bafetimbi Gomis, Andre-Pierre Gignac, Rod Fanni, Sidney Govou, Moussa Sissokho, Alou Diarra, Yohan Gourcuff. You'll find all these guys make the squad regularly and at least two-thirds of them play at any one time. Is that enough for you?

i said first 11....not your squad of 21 players... :spank anyway enough of that ...lets get back to making money :ok

[Atko]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21

i said first 11....not your squad of 21 players... :spank

Okay, if you want to continue this. GK: Hugo Lloris (Lyon) RB: Francois Clerc (Lyon) LB: Patrice Evra (Man Utd) CB: William Gallas (Arsenal) CB: Eric Abidal (Barcelona) DM: Jeremy Toulalan (Lyon) DM: Lassana Diarra (Real Madrid) AM: Franck Ribery (Bayern Munich) AM: Yohann Gourcuff (Bordeaux) AM: Thierry Henry (Barcelona) FW: Andre-Pierre Gignac (Toulouse) And before you start questioning why no Anelka and Benzema, he prefers Anelka as an alternative to Ribery and it's well documented Benzema and Domenech don't get on. Clerc is the only one who may cede his place to Sagna, but that's still five players, which isn't bad. French teams aren't all about French players and I think it's a testament to their league that the players are snapped up by bigger clubs. In recent years, think Ribery, Nasri, Benzema, Diaby, Flamini, Malouda, Evra, Diarra, Sagna. I don't think that constitutes a joke league, but we'll agree to disagree! And yes, let's get back to what this forum's call about!

[GazF1888]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21

Event Glasgow - Unirea Urziceni Selection Unirea 0 (Asian Handicap) Strength 10/10 Date 20/10/2009 Bookmaker/Price Unibet @ 3.35 (Back) Reasoning Unirea has real chances here. They should have won at home against Stuttgart but Stuttgart are lucky as usual. Glasgow have been butchered at home 4-1 by Sevilla and they barely equalised away to Stuttgart and got a point they really didn't deserve. Unirea wasn't dominated that hard in the match against Sevilla and the 2 goals were more personal achievments of L Fabiano then the result of a team dominance.Tactically Unirea are very well organized and they will defend well here too. I think they can strike once but if not the score will probably remain 0-0. Glasgow are not impressive and Unirea played well against Celtic in some friendlies this year so they can deal with scottish football.

:lol There's no such team as 'Glasgow' mate. :unsure It's Celtic or Rangers. And that friendly Celtic played against Unirea was a closed door game with the reserve side so I wouldn't look into that.

[ReasonableGuy]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21

:lol There's no such team as 'Glasgow' mate. :unsure It's Celtic or Rangers. And that friendly Celtic played against Unirea was a closed door game with the reserve side so I wouldn't look into that.

well yeah it's Rangers but I think the name of the city is enough cause people know who plays against Unirea. And Unirea is good defensively. I pleaded for away cause Rangers were humiliated by Sevilla at home and they are not impressive in European Cups. At the moment they play even worse.

[ReasonableGuy]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 Event Liverpool - Lyon Selection draw Strength 10/10 Date 20/10/2009 Bookmaker/Price Pinnacle Sports @ 3.55 (Back) Reasoning Liverpool coach spoke about how winning could give them back enthusiasm and morale and blabla. But I know that teams rarely bounce back from losing streak with a win against a strong team in an important competition. Usually things move slowlier in football. Results are built on past performances. The progress is made slowly because whatever you would say to some players they can't just forget the current results and play like they'd be on winning streak. Lyon have a very strong team and one that scores a lot. Liverpool also has the capacity to concede a lot(2 from Fiorentina ... and Fiorentina are not a fierce attacking team). Normally Lyon could even win here but they seem to have some problems in defense and Gerrard is back for Liverpool. I think there will be goals even if Torres is out. Gerrard is best man for Liverpool and very influential and even though he is not fully fit maybe he is still able to create some chances and even score. Lyon coach spoke about the 2 teams in equal teams and also he mentioned something about getting points out of this game(1 or 3). I think this will be 2-2. Liverpool has to attack because they need points but with a leaky defense they can also concede in front of a strong attack such as Lyon's.

[HastGill1]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 Think too many people are going on Liverpool's reputation as a solid european team rather than the reality of where the team is currently, i have staked a fair bit on Liverpool on matches this season, and they certainly are not currently looking like the side we have known for the past few years.. They are known as being strong at the back and being able to surprise teams with fast flowing football with Gerrard at the fulcrum, Gerrard has been poor so far this season as any real Liverpool supporter will know, or anyone who has watched their games..every week on the way home from games i listen to 606 and there are always Liverpool fans saying that Carragher has lost his way badly since last season..Benayoun is suddenly an important part of their team even though he has been no more than a fringe player for the last 2 years..these are somewhat general points and i have nothing against Liverpool i have always said of the english teams in europe i would happily back liverpool against any other european side as they were so solid and so good going forward..this is not the case this season, just look at their results i mean they should have lost to Bolton for Christ sake, and did lose to Sunderland at the weekend who are a top 10 prem team at best, they have no options to change anything as their squad is so mediocre below the first XI.. I dont know enough about Lyon to say whether they have a chance tonight but i would be surprised to see Liverpool triumph by more than one goal..

[ReasonableGuy]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 Event Olympiacos Pireu - Standard Liege Selection Olympiacos -1 (Asian Handicap) Strength 10/10 Date 20/10/2009 Bookmaker/Price 10bet @ 2.52 (Back) Reasoning Olympiacos are much stronger than Standar Liege at the moment. The results prove it. After Zico was announced coach of the team things have changed. Zico was good with Fener too and he has an attacking style that can help Olympiacos at the moment. Standard are slowly sinking. They should have lost away to Alkmaar but they scored a lucky goal in the last few minutes of the game. they are also doing bad in domestic league and they are simply not the team they were last year. I think they won't score here so the score will probably be 2-0 or 1-0.

[pete]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21

Event Glasgow - Unirea Urziceni Selection Unirea 0 (Asian Handicap) Strength 10/10 Date 20/10/2009 Bookmaker/Price Unibet @ 3.35 (Back) Reasoning Unirea has real chances here. They should have won at home against Stuttgart but Stuttgart are lucky as usual. Glasgow have been butchered at home 4-1 by Sevilla and they barely equalised away to Stuttgart and got a point they really didn't deserve. Unirea wasn't dominated that hard in the match against Sevilla and the 2 goals were more personal achievments of L Fabiano then the result of a team dominance.Tactically Unirea are very well organized and they will defend well here too. I think they can strike once but if not the score will probably remain 0-0. Glasgow are not impressive and Unirea played well against Celtic in some friendlies this year so they can deal with scottish football.

Like your reasoning here, Scottish football have reached a low point with results in Europe over the last few years showing up how much their standard has slipped. Both the old firm are struggling domestically and their ability to score goals against mediocre opposition a big concern for their fans. The best Rangers have played was in their first game against Stuggart when they had a 1-1 draw and looked impressive but what does that say about Stuggart who are struggling in their leauge and then only managed a 1-1 draw away to Unirea, who only lost 2-0 away to Seville which was not a bad result. I think this will be a dour defensive game and will back 1) "Neither team to score" @$10.00. 2) Under 1.5 goals @ $3.10. 3) Double with Seville to WIN/Rangers-Unirea DRAW @$7.00. All bets with sportingbet.com.au

[JackJarvis]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21

french league would struggle in the championship...joke of a league

What a complete joke of a comment. Comments like this piss me off, do you actually watch or take notice of football outside England? I guess not with this ridiculous statement.

[GazF1888]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21

well yeah it's Rangers but I think the name of the city is enough cause people know who plays against Unirea. And Unirea is good defensively. I pleaded for away cause Rangers were humiliated by Sevilla at home and they are not impressive in European Cups. At the moment they play even worse.

Yeah but they aren't called Glasgow Rangers - it's just Rangers. Being a big Celtic man, I want Unirea to get a point or three tonight but I think Rangers will be too strong for them unfortunately, no way I'm going to back Rangers though.

[Jonesy Knows]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 see below

[ReasonableGuy]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21

Yeah but they aren't called Glasgow Rangers - it's just Rangers. Being a big Celtic man' date=' I want Unirea to get a point or three tonight but I think Rangers will be too strong for them unfortunately, no way I'm going to back Rangers though.[/quote'] I just take the first word everytime :) so that's why I said: Glasgow - Unirea. It is Unirea coach that will make the difference. I saw how they played in Sevilla and at home against Stuttgart and I must admit they have balls. They do defend of course but they don't lose possesion so easily, they don't just throw the ball in front when changing from defensive positions to attacking positions and it is a unique chance for them to get through to the next stages of Champions League and Stuttgart and Rangers are very poor at the moment so :hope

[Jonesy Knows]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 I'm going to try out a trial tonight on the 1st goal scored in the games judged on this season's stats: A = Average time first goal scored in the domestic league B = Average time first goal conceded in the domestic league C = Average time first goal scored in the 2009/10 Champs League D = Average time first goal conceded in the 2009/10 Champs League Team Name A B C D Barcelona 29.50 58.50 25.00 0 Rubin Kazan 25.16 44.08 18.00 49.00 Debreceni 30.57 44.67 41.83 29.25 Fiorentina 48.29 23.33 29.33 56.33 Liverpool 33.14 32.86 44.00 28.00 Lyon 43.75 26.40 28.75 54.50 Rangers 28.80 36.80 80.00 34.50 Unirea U 25.29 49.00 48.00 24.50 Inter Milan 34.14 45.20 27.00 11.00 Dynamo Kiev 28.00 56.50 71.00 25.00 Stuttgart 50.40 35.71 17.00 60.00 Seville 20.00 41.75 47.50 88.00 AZ Alkmaar 46.56 28.50 48.00 84.50 Arsenal 32.00 50.50 48.25 46.00 Olympiakos 27.17 37.50 48.80 78.00 St Liege 35.20 38.25 46.00 46.00 Time of First Goal Predictions: Barcelona v Rubin Kazan - After the 21st Minute @1.91 Paddypower*** Debreceni v Fiorentina - After the 26th minute @1.91 Paddypower*** Liverpool v Lyon - Up to & Including 28th minute @2.00 Paddypower*** Rangers v Unirea U - After the 28th minute @1.91 Paddypower*** Inter Milan v Dynamo Kiev - After the 26th minute @1.91 Paddypower** Stuttgart v Seville - After the 26th minute @2.00 Paddypower*** AZ Alkmaar v Arsenal - After the 25th minute @2.00 Paddypower**** Olympiakos v St Liege - After the 28th minute @2.00 Paddypower**** It makes interesting reading looking at the above stats although not conclusive yet this early in, however it shows clear trends towards cautious approach football knowing the money involved to progress is invaluable to all teams in the Champions League. Even looking at the invicible looking Barcelona team they base their football on slick passing and their overall tactic is to wear teams down chasing for the ball. Any decent enough side should be able to nulify an opponent especially with the likely tactics that Rubin will employ in getting their 11 men behind the ball, for the line of 21 minutes. :ok

[Caveman]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 Sevilla trio to miss Stuttgart match Sevilla will be without Renato, Andres Palop and Abdoulay Konko for Tuesday’s UEFA Champions League match at Stuttgart. Renato ended his side’s 1-0 weekend defeat against Deportivo La Coruna complaining of calf cramps prompting coach Manuel Jimenez to leave the Brazilian midfielder out of the squad. Goalkeeper Palop’s calf injury is more serious than initially expected, while French defender Konko has failed to recover from a virus. On a brighter note, forward Luis Fabiano returns to the team after a late arrival from international duty with Brazil forced him out of the Deportivo defeat. Source : www.betinf.com

[ben the bookmaker]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 First Post : Arsenal , Sevilla , Chelsea, Bayern my picks for tonight may include some league games for value . Great forum .. could use the help :D

[cluelessG]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21

As for Debreceni and Fiorentina' date=' it shld be a comfortable win by the italian team. Truth as it is, [b']the Italian league has much contest as compared to the Hungarian league. After watching their performance over Liverpool,actually, they have great potential. Debreceni has little champions league experience and Fiorentina should be able to over power them. Watch out for Gilardino and Mutu, both of them should turn Debreceni belly up tonight.

I wonder if Gilardino is suspended for this match? Yesterday UEFA's web site said he will miss the game, now this info is gone... There are rumours that Jovetic may start on the bench and he's a key player for Fiorentina. I agree the difference in class should be huge and the Italians have a real chance to get through the next phase with the home win against Liverpool so no questions on their motivation. Debreceni are very dangerous when shooting from a long distance though.

[YNWA]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 Liverpool must win tonight, that's for sure and I'll take it for best price that I can find @1.8, they will be without Torres, but as Rafa said :"now everyone has to be okay and the extra motivation of the Champions League will be good. Also when the team needs something, the fans are right behind them. " with win there is a good chance to Liverpool take one of two first places in group.. and only problem is for which two matches to combine with LFC v Lyon. What you think about Inter and Olympiakos??

[blackcrow]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 Liverpool @ 1.75 pinnacle The return from injury of their inspirational captain and the fact that they need this win to go equal top in this group with Lyon and more than likely Fiorentina, should see the Reds increase the intensity of their play and record a win here. What is in their favour is that Lyon will be without three central defenders as Bodmer, Anderson and Boumsong are out injured. A draw is good for them so they will likely sit back and defend for the early periods of the game which should then be to Liverpool's advantage as they will not have to worry about conceding goals, which is more of a concern this year, than them scoring goals, as they have some good players who can score. Lyon do not have the best record playing in England, and Liverpool do have the home crowd on these big European nights that can become the extra spur for them to go on and win a game. Barcelona -2.5 @ 2.24 pinnacle Barcelona should have Xavi and Iniesta controlling the midfield and create the opportunities for Messi and co. up front to beat the Rubin relatively comfortably. Barcelona's class is evident and with Kazan in poor form of late as they have won only once in their last six games then they are lacking form coming into this game. They did lose to Dynamo Kiev 3-1 on the road, and with Barcelona wanting to wrap up qualification before they head east to Kiev and Kazan, expect a good win for the home side Arsenal -1.5 @ 2.56 pinnacle While Arsenal have several injuries there is stil enough quality and depth to win this game quite well, as they have been in very good form of late and are scoring goals regularly and in abundance. Fabregas and Arshavin are creating from midfield while van Persie continues to privide that cutting edge up front. AZ have won only 2 of their last 8 matches and also have several players out, which makes it even harder for them to try and compete with Arsenal. The Gunners should continue on their way here

[elgoonerman]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21

AZ Alkmaar V Arsenal (-1) @ 2.5. Bit of a no brainer really. Arsenal are on fire lately, whilst AZ are not. I think Arsenal will relish playing against a Dutch side who are more likely to play them at their own game. Ronald Koeman has stated that in order to win they must dominate posession. I can't see that happening. Arsenal are one of the best sides in the world at keeping the ball and using it well. Their last trip to Alkmaar ended in a 3-0 win for Arsenal. I can't see anything but an Arsenal win. It would be different if AZ were performing well, but 6 losses so far this season in all competitions suggest they are a side on the fall. Arsenal have their injuries, but can still put out a strong side. Thomas Rosicky, Theo Walcott, Nicklas Bendtner, Eduardo, Fabianski, Djourou, and Denilson are all injured. AZ Alkmaar have no injuries to speak of.

Correction! Rosicky and Walcott are fine, they are just being rested. and this is why i think ill stay away from my team from tonights game. This should be our lineup Almunia (back from virus) Sagna-Vermaelen-Gallas-Gibbs(i think Gael force is still injured) ------------Song----------- ----------Fabregas---------- -----------Diaby :wall------- Arshavin--Van Persie---Eboue :$ A strong team, BUT not brilliant certianly with Diaby there. I can't rely on us to get a convincing result, Rosicky has taken our play to a level in which we are genuine title contenders, without him (and missing quality like Nasri etc..) and with furstrating players like Diaby how has been one of the worse players this season for any team, we a liable to be turned over.

[HastGill1]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21

Correction! Rosicky and Walcott are fine' date= they are just being rested. and this is why i think ill stay away from my team from tonights game. This should be our lineup Almunia (back from virus) Sagna-Vermaelen-Gallas-Gibbs(i think Gael force is still injured) ------------Song----------- ----------Fabregas---------- -----------Diaby :wall------- Arshavin--Van Persie---Eboue :$ A strong team, BUT not brilliant certianly with Diaby there. I can't rely on us to get a convincing result, Rosicky has taken our play to a level in which we are genuine title contenders, without him (and missing quality like Nasri etc..) and with furstrating players like Diaby how has been one of the worse players this season for any team, we a liable to be turned over.

Rosicky is out with a knee injury and Walcott is out for a month with knee ligament damage just to set the record straight..

[IAmGooner]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 Clichy is back, Rosicky is out for a few days and Walcott 3-4 weeks. Think that team is likely to be it tonight with Clichy in for Gibbs.Alkmaar play attacking football usually but this is Koeman in charge.Quite good in cups and has set teams out defensively against us in the past and got results.Think we could win but feel a draw wouldn't be a bad result.

[IAmGooner]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 Wrote out 4 bets earlier but when I tried to post it I had logged out for some reason.Not bothered posting them again but good luck with all bets.:)

[nicko]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 Spanish ref in Liverpool - most got different criteria compared to the rest of Europe, with some weeks over 60 cards taken out of the pocket. Liverpool with at least 2 ''regular'' to get booked in a game that people call ''a must-win''. Lyon with a couple of defensive regulars missing - more work to be done in midfield, trying to stop hosts' urge. Over 4,5 Cards @ 2,00 with bet365 - 8/10 GL

[Angelceto]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 Chelsea vs. Atl. Madrid Dont think that chelsea are going to have very easy win here, because before the match against Ossasuna, everybody told and knew that Atletico madrid have a very heavy match in the champions league coming, so the match against ossasuna wasn't a surprise to all of us. Think about it, btw I'm not saying that i'll lay on chelsea, i think that they are going to win too, but something susspicious arround here is going on. Think about it, and post. Chelsea - Atletico Madrid. 0-2 goals.

[ultravires]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 The glorious champs league returns and I couldnt be happier. Stuttgart vs. Sevilla I have on many occassions backed sevilla this season and they are a team I really like the look of. They press the ball and play a high tempo using their good wingers to great effect. I have to say I have not seen much of stuttgart this year but I have no doubt they are not of sevilla's standard. As previously said Sevilla miss Renato who is a blow, Konko and one other. They retain the important players Capel, Navas, Fabiano, Kanoute and Negredo. They can really cement their position as the dominant team in this group and I think they will. Sevilla win 11/10 - Medium stakes Sevilla -1AH - 3.00 - small stakes For a side that can start quickly 5/2 on Sev/Sev HT/FT is crazy - low stakes. AZ vs Arsenal Much of what I said applies to Arsenal too. Quite simply they should be too good for AZ. A projected starting trio of arshavin, RVP and vela has my mouth watering. I dont know how AZ will approach the game, at home they may well give it a good go. Eitherway I am not concerned there is enough value in Arsenal here on the 'cap. Arsenal -1 AH - 1.8 - medium stakes. Liverpool vs. Lyon As a fan I have to be on Liverpool tonight. I am far from happy at the moment, with so many things but these European nights are what it is about. Anfield will be uzzing as this game holds a lot of importance for how Liverpool may progress. No Torres is an issue of course but the main man is back to drive us home. Lyon look in bad shape defensively so I am on liverpool tonight. I think we will start quickly and could grab an early goal. Liverpool/Liverpool 13/8 - Low stakes Liverpool win 3/4 - medium stakes.

[SpiritOf67]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 Gonna opt for a small double tonight. Sevilla @ 11/10- They may have a few players such as Renato out but their talisman Luis Fabiano is back to partner Freddie Kanoute and they should have too much quality for a poor Stuttgart side who are on dreadful form domestically. Sevilla may already have maximum points from the group but hopefully will want to wrap it up as quickly as possible. Rangers @ 5/6- People have rightly pointed out Rangers are a mediocre side. They are, but so too are the away side who are currently fifth in the Romanian league and have won just one game in their last six. The difference is Rangers will have a large home crowd behind them and have more experience in Europe, the Romanians would be happy with a point. Would love to see an away win here, but realistically think Rangers will be able to nick a goal from a set piece or something and hang on. These are bet365 prices - 3.85 the double pays. Decided to swerve the Liverpool game, Torres out is a big blow as they have to rely on Babel/Kuyt to lead the line, Kuyt is a very good player but not in the same class as Torres. Lyon have some quality players themselves in guys like Lisandro and a case could probably be made for both sides here. Good luck all :ok

[akcaig]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 Gilardino is not suspended for Fiorentina, he missed last match against Liverpool through suspension, he's now back. Latest news is that Jovetic is in squad and may start but be substituted early if there is a lead. Fiorentina needs six points against Debrecen to have a good base for home match against Lyon and away at Anfield, both captain Frey and coach Prandelli commented on this very fact in press conference today.

[Jase82]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21

Correction! Rosicky and Walcott are fine, they are just being rested.

As has been said. Both players ARE injured. Either way, they won't play. The problems you mention aren't really serious. Diaby's had a pretty decent season so far by my standards, and Arsenal have both played poorly and won, and played exceptionally well creating lots of chances. If you're an Arsenal fan, I'd be more optimistic if I were you. Gael Clichy will return tonight according to several sources. Arsenal have their first choice backline. Fabregas, Van Persie, Arshavin are all good enough for me. Also, Nasri has been out for a while now. Missing demolition jobs over Blackburn, Birmingham and Olympiakos in the process.

[FCNA]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21 I'm very surprise to read such statements here on french football. Someone of you forget that Marseille beat Liverpool in Anfield last year:nana Lyon is each year in this competition and you can't drop it. I would like to add that in french league, budget deficits are forbidden, it's not the same verywhere and IMAO a great problem to solve by UEFA. Above all, Football is fantastic : on one match everybody can beat everybody.:ok

[Atko]

Re: Champions League » Oct 20/21

I'm very surprise to read such statements here on french football. Someone of you forget that Marseille beat Liverpool in Anfield last year:nana Lyon is each year in this competition and you can't drop it. I would like to add that in french league, budget deficits are forbidden, it's not the same verywhere and IMAO a great problem to solve by UEFA. Above all, Football is fantastic : on one match everybody can beat everybody.:ok

FCNA, I've battled the corner for French football tonight. I think Ligue 1, Ligue 2 and National are all great leagues. French football has certain charm about it and there are some seriously good players. Tonight, however, I think Liverpool will win. I'm not confident enough to put cash on it but I think Lyon have too many weaknesses in defence. I really hope Lyon do it, but Liverpool have a tendency to win the crunch European ties, especially at Anfield.