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Fintron's Flat Thread 2009 - Final Profit +478.17 pts


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3.40 Bath Auntie Mame is a bit of a course specialist and has has won twice here and gone close on several other occassions. He kept on last time out here over shorter to suggest this step up in trip will suit, indeed, he has run solid races over 11-12f previously. Up 3 lbs from last run but handicapped to go close on old form. 6 pts matched TBP @ 1.49 (Betfair) 4.10 Bath Magic Rush has gone well for Liam Keniry in his last two starts and was only narrowly beaten at Brighton last time out, failing to see out 1m 2f and hinting this drop back in trip would suit. Has been raised in the handicap but made the frame off higher marks a couple of years ago so may still be handicapped to have a chance based on old form. Hinted at Kempton last month 7f wasn't enough of a stamina test, so chancing over a mile today. 3 pts matched TBP @ 2.09 (Betfair)
Auntie Mame won well in the 3.40 for +2.79 pts profit, but Magic Rush was unplaced (-3 pts) and the quadpot (-1 pt) fell on its arse after the first leg. The performance of Siena Star (-3) was touched upon yesterday.
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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread 3.15 Carlisle Off Chance travelled really well when upsetting the Mark Johnston favourite in a Ripon maiden and looked better than a 67-rated handicapper. That was her rating for her handicap debut at York but a combination of the ground and a higher class saw her finish mid-division. However, returned to quicker ground and dropped in grade here I think she can go well with her mark infact lowered two pounds. 9 pts matched TBP at ave odds of 1.64 (Betfair) 5.15 Carlisle Sarwin has been in good form and Alan Swinbank's gelding is looking for his fourth win in five starts today. He runs under a 6 lb penalty for a recent win at Hamilton, but stayed on well. Although dropping back to a mile this afternoon, he proved at Beverley he acts over this trip too, and in his current form I think he will go well. 6 pts matched TBP at 1.66 (Betfair) 8.55 Windsor Sainglend returns to the flat after five runs over hurdles, but Sean Curran's gelding has been in good shape, placing in four of those runs and finishing 5th in a Grade 1 novices hurdle at Aintree in the other. That suggests that he is still on the upgrade, and he returns to the flat 7 lbs higher than when winning here over slightly shorter last October. He acts on the ground, the step up in trip is unlikely to inconvenience, and with Richard Hughes booked, he could go close. 6 pts matched TBP @ 1.8 (Betfair)

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8.55 Windsor Sainglend returns to the flat after five runs over hurdles, but Sean Curran's gelding has been in good shape, placing in four of those runs and finishing 5th in a Grade 1 novices hurdle at Aintree in the other. That suggests that he is still on the upgrade, and he returns to the flat 7 lbs higher than when winning here over slightly shorter last October. He acts on the ground, the step up in trip is unlikely to inconvenience, and with Richard Hughes booked, he could go close. 6 pts matched TBP @ 1.8 (Betfair)
And another 3 pts TBP at 2.76, feel the new price is good value.
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3.15 Carlisle Off Chance travelled really well when upsetting the Mark Johnston favourite in a Ripon maiden and looked better than a 67-rated handicapper. That was her rating for her handicap debut at York but a combination of the ground and a higher class saw her finish mid-division. However, returned to quicker ground and dropped in grade here I think she can go well with her mark infact lowered two pounds. 9 pts matched TBP at ave odds of 1.64 (Betfair) 5.15 Carlisle Sarwin has been in good form and Alan Swinbank's gelding is looking for his fourth win in five starts today. He runs under a 6 lb penalty for a recent win at Hamilton, but stayed on well. Although dropping back to a mile this afternoon, he proved at Beverley he acts over this trip too, and in his current form I think he will go well. 6 pts matched TBP at 1.66 (Betfair) 8.55 Windsor Sainglend returns to the flat after five runs over hurdles, but Sean Curran's gelding has been in good shape, placing in four of those runs and finishing 5th in a Grade 1 novices hurdle at Aintree in the other. That suggests that he is still on the upgrade, and he returns to the flat 7 lbs higher than when winning here over slightly shorter last October. He acts on the ground, the step up in trip is unlikely to inconvenience, and with Richard Hughes booked, he could go close. 6 pts matched TBP @ 1.8 (Betfair)
Well they started well today with Off Chance winning at Carlisle under a superb ride from Duran Fentiman (+5.43 pts). She was forced wide swinging for home but came home very strongly and displayed battle qualities to repel the runner up. I think she rates as better than the winning margin suggested, would handle a step up in trip, and will certainly be keeping her onside if she gets fast ground again. Sarwin was strongly backed even taking into account a RF but was suprisingly unplaced (-6). Apprentices don#t always ride them as well as they could and may duck these races in future. Saiglend drifting like a barge, should have known the fate of that bet but thought 7/4 for the place was outstanding and lumped another 3 pts on (-9 pts). So overall a loss was made for today, a bit more care needed when studying tomorrow but pretty confident these bets are they way forward and hoping to hit a 25 % ROI from them over a period of time.
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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread 4.45 Southwell World of Choice once belonged to Godolphin after being purchased for 700,000 USD as a yearling, but failed to live up to his price tag and was sold on for just £6,500 two years later. Even the switch to handicapping failed to bring about any immediate improvement, however, once he was stepped up in trip and applied with blinkers, he has looked a different character altogether. He won over 1m 3f in February, which was the first time he had raced beyond a mile, and sporting first time blinkers, was a comfortable winner for Ollie Greenall in an amateur riders handicap. He had a brief tilt at hurdling without success, but then returned to the flat at the start of the month when a winner over this course and distance (blinkers applied for second time in his career). A 5 lb rise from that win doesn't look insurmountable and with headgear on again, he could go close for Dale Gibson. 6 pts matched TBP @ 1.94 (Betfair).

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4.45 Southwell World of Choice 6 pts matched TBP @ 1.94 (Betfair).
Disappointing run yesterday with that one finishing out of the money and serving a quick reminder as to why I have ducked that track for so long!! 3.50 Ayr Bo McGinty has the class to win this handicap and can land the honours for the inform Richard Fahey yard. The trainer has put up claiming jockeys Lee Topliss and Fredi Tylicki for his last three starts, but stable jockey Paul Hanagan takes over this afternoon and I'm taking that as a good sign. The gelding is undeniably well handicapped - he's won off 83 in this grade previously and is allowed to race off a a 7 lb lower mark for this after several unplaced efforts in larger fields of late. He wasn't beaten far off similar marks to this around March-April time at Wolverhampton and then Beverley, which suggest he can operate off 76, and with a visor re-applied (was worn for both of those aforementioned runs but no headgear on for last three starts) I think a big run could be on the cards here. 3 pts matched TBP @ 2.68 (Betfair).
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3.50 Ayr Bo McGinty 3 pts matched TBP @ 2.68 (Betfair).
That one was unplaced, so a loss of -3 pts there. One for tonight, for which I'm trying the 80:20 bet that a few others on here do, and seem to do well with. 8.10 Ripon This looks a fanscinating handicap to crack with ten runners lining up over the mile in this 0-95 class 3 handicap. Joint-top weight Acrostic is rated 1 lb below the ceiling and is sent north by Luca Cumani. The 4 yo gelding is lightly raced and open to plenty of improvement but has a 279 day break to overcome and so is passed over. Benandonner is joint-highest rated and currently heads the market at 11/2. Whilst a decent type that is reliable in this sort of grade, Richard Fahey's gelding has no place to hide from the handicapper. Last victorious of 86 at Southwell, he is now 8 lbs higher than his last win, and the fact he was raised 3 lbs for a second to Something at Kempton pushed him out of contention for me here. City of the Kings is another returning from a lengthy (229-day) absence so may need the run, not to mention he is 11 lbs higher than his last winning mark. Ilie Nastase may be best watched for now. Dandy Nicholl's recruit from France was soundly beaten at Chester, with jockey Adrian Nicholls getting hauled infront of the stewards. The horse showed up much better at Haydock last time out and is entitled to improve further, but others appeal more. Wovoka has been in great form this season winning three out of four and a 3 lb rise from the latest of those wins seems fair. He gets a mile, acts on the ground, but his wins have come in 0-85 company and so he needs to raise his game now up against stronger opposition. Exit Smiling won this race last year and took advantage of a declining mark to win at Southwell in February. His mark has been eased 2 lbs after he has been well held in recent starts and perhaps others are better handicapped for now. Collateral Damage was 4th behind Wovoka at Newcastle in April but ran well dropped to this mark at Sandown last time out. He is now 2 lbs lower than when winning at Pontefract last year but I have the sneaky suspicion he would like a little bit more give underfoot as all of his wins have come with soft in the going description. Capucci is handicapped to have a chance on his old form, only 3 lb higher than when successful at Newbury when with John Gosden. He fared a bit more respectably at Haydock last time out and will benefit from headgear going back on tonight, but he may be best watched as he looks to record a first win for John Quinn. Minority Report has dropped 1 lb lower than his last winning mark but is another with something to find with Wovoka based on recent Newcastle running. The only other one that remains is another Dandy Nicholls runner, Kings Point. It has taken the 8 yo a couple of runs to come to hand but he was a respectable sixth in the Thirsk Hunt Cup (class 2, 0-100) and then ran very well from a poor draw at Chester last time out when infront of several subsequent winners (Internationaldebut, Dunn'o and Celtic Sultan) in another higher grade handicap (class 2, 0-105). Tonights race represents a step down in class and in this smaller field I think he can go well as his mark has been cut 1 lb, putting him only 3 lb higher than his win at Thirsk last September. He is a multiple winner on fast ground and is also a distance winner. 0.6 pt 7/1 Bet 365 2.4 pt TBP @ 2.84 (Betfair)
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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread Kings Point goes down as a loser (-3 pts). I never do well with Nicholls, thought I was being paranoid so went against my usual feeling last night but no, he's a hard one to catch right. Sticking with the 80:20's for today on these three..... 4.40 Hamilton - Tangerine Trees Handicapped to go close based on a close third at Beverley two starts ago. Ran close at Carlisle in a big field sprint last time out, and think he can get his head infront for the first time in handicaps today. 2.4 pts matched TBP @ 1.72 (Betfair) 0.6 pts matched win @ 4.3 (Betfair) 7.50 Sandown - Annabelle's Charm Horse that was well handicapped for a while, after a few poor rides under Spencer made her mark in handicaps at Folkestone when Dane O'Neill took over in the saddle. Was raised by only a modest amount for that win and travelled really well at Leicester last time out, only to lose out in a tight finish under a weak ride. Cumani takes Spencer back off tonight, and although she's gone up in the handicap, think she will fare better with Frankie on, although I would have preferred O'Neill on for a maximum bet. 2.4 pts matched TBP @ 1.7 (Betfair) 0.6 pts matched win @ 3.95 (Betfair) 7.50 Sandown - Miss Glitters Another from the same race as Annabelle's Charm but one I want to keep the right side of as she is unexposed and has started brightly in handicaps, losing by a narrow margin on gd/frm ground (as tonight) at Salisbury and then gaining compensation with a comfortably victory at Southwell last time out. After just the four starts, further improvement may be forthcoming. 1.6 pts matched TBP @ 2.64 (Betfair) 0.4 pts matched win @ 7.2 (Betfair)

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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread This one is a bit pushed for time, but I posted it in the Epsom thread, the internet went down at work, and haven't had chance to post it up until now! 1.40 Epsom I'm on Deposer here. I don't think he is actually that bad a horse and when I was at Chester the other week I remember texting Mowgli and Wizzkid Walter telling them about this bad boy! He was sent off the 33/1 rag in the Dee Stakes (Group 3) and ran a fantastic race under Robert Winston when allowed to dominate. The form figures show he finished fourth but I honest thought I was gonna clean up that day, he was only pipped late on and finished only half a length off the winner. The gelding may thus appreciate this step back in trip and although others looks to hold stronger form claims - the fact he should get an easy lead here should not be underestimated and I am expecting compensation and a bumper payday this afternoon. 1.8 pts win matched @ ave odds 25.67 (Betfair) 7.2 pts TBP matched @ ave odds 5.33 (Betfair)

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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread Desposer placed at Epsom for a +27.84 pt return. Tangerine Trees was a winner yesterday (+3.12) - both were 80:20 bets. Miss Glitters and Annabelle's Charm went down as losers though. Just to update for the past week.... Ergo -9 Solar Spirit +4 Hobson +4.04 Dream of Olwyn +2.39 Granston -3 Drill Sergeant +3.96 Timocracy +2.74 Good Buy Dubai +4.79 I Confess -3 Cumani Bay +3.48 Siena Star -3 Auntie Mame +2.79 Magic Rush -3 Losing Quadpot -1 Off Chance +5.43 Sarwin -6 Sainglend -9 World of Choice -6 Bo McGinty -3 Kings Point (80:20) -3 Tangerine Treets (80:20) +3.12 Annabelles Charm (80:20) -3 Miss Glitters (80:20) -2 Deposer (80:20) +27.84 This update: Pts staked: 114 Profit: +10.58 ROI: +9.28 % Thread as a whole: Pts staked: 224.25 Profit: -80.15 ROI: -36 %

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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread 7.40 Doncaster Quite a tricky little race to solve here and many come into the race off the back of recent wins. However, the one that stands out to me is the unexposed Alsace Lorraine. After only four starts she probably has more to offer, especially since she's been put up only 3 lbs from her win at Yarmouth, as she looks well handicapped off a mark of 76. At three she had one really nice piece of form at Newmarket in which she chased home Duncan and Aflaam amonst others, so I think she could potentially win races off marks of 80+. 0.6 pt 7/1 Bet 365 2.4 pts TBP @ 2.48 Betfair

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7.40 Doncaster Quite a tricky little race to solve here and many come into the race off the back of recent wins. However, the one that stands out to me is the unexposed Alsace Lorraine. After only four starts she probably has more to offer, especially since she's been put up only 3 lbs from her win at Yarmouth, as she looks well handicapped off a mark of 76. At three she had one really nice piece of form at Newmarket in which she chased home Duncan and Aflaam amonst others, so I think she could potentially win races off marks of 80+. 0.6 pt 7/1 Bet 365 2.4 pts TBP @ 2.48 Betfair
Dotted up to win by a couple of lengths so delighted with that one. +7.57 pts returned.
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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread 8.40 Newcastle No Rules won last time out at Yarmouth over this trip and now he has finally got his head in front may go in again. He's only had two starts on the flat this year, and was entitled to need the run at Southwell, so I think there is more to come after a modest rise in his rating. 0.6 pts win @ 7.0 Betfair 2.4 pts TBP @ 2.26 Betfair

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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread 3.20 Musselburgh Jaconet has made a good impression this season and looks a useful filly indeed. She won here over course and distance in April, despite the fact she coulds have been potentially enthralled in a destructive battle for the lead, and that impressed me as it showed versatility. She's started this term superbly, goes for the fourtimer, and will see her potential value as a broodmare rise even futher if she can beat the boys, some of which are useful sprint handicappers, here. 0.6 pts win @ 7.8 Betfair 2.4 pts TBP @ 2.08 Betfair 5.15 Musselburgh Legal Legacy looks to hold the strongest claims here as he looks to confirm his superiority over Island Chief who, in turn, had the beating of top-weight Liberty Trail recently. Legal Legacy makes on his third start in handicaps so is open to further imporvement. A 5 lb rise from his last time out win seems fair, and proven over course and distance on good to firm ground he ticks all the main boxes for me. 0.6 pts @ 3.5 Betfair 2.4 pts @ 1.75 Betfair

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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread 5.05 Epsom I think Piscean could run a race here. He won well on his reappearance at Goodwood in smart fashion. That win came over this trip, in this grade, and after a 6 lb rise, he may have more to offer. Has won around Lingfield which may point towards him acting on this similarly sharp track. Won on Gf-frm lto too. 0.6 pts win @ 11.0 Betfair 2.4 pts TBP @ 2.08 Betfair

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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread 3.05 Doncaster Suzi Spends will strip fitter for her comeback run at Goodwood last time out and stepped back up in trip she could go well here. A winner off 81 at Lingfield in November, she is only 3 lbs higher now, and I think her last run over a mile was always going to be a little on the sharp side for her so was viewed as an opportunity to keep her mark down whilst blowing away a few cobwebs. She hasn't won in this grade yet but has time on her side and the yard are in fair enough form with Luck Will Come flying the flag for Hugh Collingridge in the past few weeks. 0.6 pts win @ 15.0 Betfair 2.4 pts TBP @ 4.0 Betfair

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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread Suzi Spends lands some place money there. Had a horrible passage and may have even won had she got a gap as she was full of running. One for the notebook IMO. 4.30 Epsom Martyr - has been in great form winning last two including at Newmarket last time out. Up 6 lbs but in great form and can't be ruled out in current mood. 0.6 pt win @ 8.0 Betfair 2.4 pts TBP @ 2.34 Betfair

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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread Trying to keep on top of things so I know exactly where I stand with profit/loss. A busy day today. - Suzi Spends - placed (BF pay on 3 places although odds trimmed to 3.13 TBP) +4.25 pts - Jaconet - disappointed -3 pts - Martyr - placed +2.36 pts - Piscean - unplaced -3 pts - Legal Legacy - won +3.11 pts No Rules is left to run tonight at Newcastle....

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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread No Rules seemed to be going okay for most of the way last night after being well supported, but was unplaced. The winner didn't come as a surprise as he'd been running credibly since going handicapping and the step up in trip was always gonna suit from his earlier form. 2.40 Southwell Solo Choice was faced with an impossible task in the Group 3 Chester Vase last time out, infact she may as well gone for a day of sightseeing around the City instead of turning up on the Roodee where she was asked to find three stone to mix it up with the likes of Derby third Masterofthehorse and also Debussy and Golden Sword who also ran in the Epsom showpiece yesterday. Connections have had their day out now though, and pitch her back in at a more realistic level in this class 6, 0-65 handicap. He profile actually had a nice look to it prior to her last race and she showed hints on ability in maiden company, including when second to Open Sesame at Great Leighs. That Peter Chapple-Hyam's rival has won his next two since going handicapping, with the latest coming off 78, hints that Solo Choice is nicely handicapped herself running off a mark of just 64 here - dropped 4 lbs after her Chester expedition - as she was beaten only one and a half lengths that day. She actually made her handicap debut in February off 66 and was only beaten by one and a quarter lengths and that run showed she handles this unique surface. She races over one mile four here and although all aforementioned form has come over shorter she has ran credibly over longer trips, such as when chasing home Dubai Storming in a Kempton maiden. That rival was only two and a half lengths infront of her as she finished second, and won on his handicap debut off 72 next time out which offers another thumbs up for Solo Choice's 64-rating here. A below par run at Lingfield was put behind her with a decent fourth at Windsor in April and that came off 4 lb higher as she stayed on and almost landed a place, for which she appeared to have been backed by connections with £400 EW down on her that night. Then we had the Chester run, but like I say, I think we can pass over that run and give her another chance. She seems very well treated if able to run to her best here, and the fact Jamie Kyne takes off another 7 lbs is an added bonus. 0.6 pts win @ 6.0 Betfair 2.4 pts TBP @ 2.19 Betfair

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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread No Rules and Solo Choice both go down as losers, -3 pts lost on each. Two from tonight. 8.30 Windsor Fancy Footsteps won well at Kempton earlier in the year and appeared to need the run last time out. The market informed us she wasn't ready to win again and that was reflected by her eventual flat performance, but the jockey wasn't overly hard on her that day. She'll strip fitter for that run, is only 6 lbs higher than her last winning mark, and formlines with River Kirov suggest she is still well handicapped. 1.2 pts win @ 11.49 Betfair 4.80 pts TBP @ 3.41 Betfair 8.50 Pontefract Mark of Meydan looks to be well handicapped on 70 given bits of maiden form with the likes of Harrison George, Pavershooz and Strawberry Moon. He drops back in trip from his last run, has faster ground (went well on good ground at Doncaster previously), he has experience of the track, has a handy a rail draw,hails from a yard in form, and will be getting sharper with every run. 1.8 pts win @ 12/1 Stan James 7.2 pts TBP @ 2.87 Betfair

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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread 3.55 Salisbury Brooksby is one I followed on a couple of occasions last year. In both races she let me down and she was promptly torn from the notebook, however, I think the opinion that she was well handicapped was justified when she later won at Kempton in November. Whilst she clearly lacks the consistency of some and is more exposed than several of her rivals this afternoon, I do not think she deserves to be 50/1 here and I think she does actually hold valid place claims on the formbook. If we go back to her handicap mark, she was successful off 67 at Kempton, so it is well within the realms of possibility that she could land this race off 6 lb higher (albeit if she is upped from 0-70 to 0-85 company for this), bearing in mind she has had only eight starts and hails from the Richard Hannon yard, who can be relied up to have continued her improvement. There are a couple of other factors that I think make her overpriced here. Firstly, she improved for the fitting of blinkers last term (form figures 31) and the application of a first time visor here may similarly focus her energies. Secondly, she steps up in trip here, and that may also enable her to find the necessairly improvement needed to figure. She has hinted on previous runs she would get further than a mile, for example at Windsor on the 13th October Sporting Life reported, "took keen hold in mid-division, ridden and hung right from over 2f out, kept on final furlong" and then on her next two runs at Kempton, "soon led, ridden and headed over 1f out, stayed on same pace inside final furlong" and "led after 1f, shaken up, 2f out, drew clear over 1f out, ran on strongly and driven out". Those nuggets of info, coupled with the fact she is a half-sister to 9-10f winner Topiary Ted and out of a dam who was successful over 8-12f at three, indicates to me she could act over one and a quarter miles here. Richard Hannon has his string in fine form at present and although Jimmy Quinn seems a strange jockey booking I think it may be a case of Hannon's regulars not being able to get down to 8-5 as Ryan Moore, Richard Hughes and Pat Dobbs haven't got down to this weight in the last twelve months. The other question mark is her latest effort when 6th of 9 at Kempton off 1 lb higher, but that was her seasonal reappearance. She showed up well to a point before fading, but with the benefit of that pipeopener may run a bit better this afternoon. Her fate may be decided on whether she is pestered for the lead again, as was the case last time out, but I've seen Jimmy Quinn ride well from the front on Dvinsky and think his mount is there to be chanced at the price today. 0.6 pts win @ 75.0 Betfair 2.4 pts TBP @ 14.5 Betfair

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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread 2.20 Brighton Anne's Rocket coasted home over course and distance last time out and goes well for jockey Gemma Elford, who didn't even need to draw upon the whip to land the race last time out. That was his second run over course and distance; on the other he was beaten by only a head into second, and that run and his recent win have come off marks of 50 and 53. He runs off 57 here, so still looks handicapped to have a chance. He overcame a wide draw to score last time so stall 9 may not actually be that much of a hindrance. 0.6 pt win 6/1 SJ 2.4 pt TBP @ 2.16 Betfair

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Thought Anne's Rocket was unlucky' date=' seemed to be going pretty well when it got hampered even after a slow start, not sure if it would have won but probably would have got placed I reckon.[/quote'] Yeah, I'd go with that. Horrible watching them break their leg isn't it, but with regards to Anne's Rocket, I think its fair to just write off his run today.
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Re: Fintron's Flat Thread Had a couple of 80:20's for tonight. 8.10 Hamilton Birkside looks well handicapped on the pick of his form as he won off 78 at York and 81 at Ayr last year. He races off 78 tonight, but with Fredi Tylicki on top he is effectively running off 73 so could go well. He won at the track last time out in a claimer, from which he was claimed by Amanda Perrat, and is also proven over the trip and on GF ground. 0.6 pts win @ 10.5 Betfair 2.4 pts TBP @ 3.4 Betfair 8.20 Kempton Elisiario likes to race prominently so can be considered well drawn in stall 13. He ran a good race at Lingfield last time out, only getting collared late home, and even though he's raised another 3 lbs, he seems to be progressing. He proved last time he handles polytrack, and I fancy him to end trainer Boyle's barren spell. 0.6 pts @ 8.4 Betfair 2.4 pts @ 2.82 Betfair

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