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:welcome FRIDAY, MAY 1 North Melbourne v Collingwood TD (N) SATURDAY, MAY 2 Hawthorn v Carlton MCG West Coast v Fremantle S Brisbane Lions v Essendon G (N) Port Adelaide v Adelaide AS (N) SUNDAY, MAY 3 Sydney v Richmond SCG Melbourne v Geelong MCG Western Bulldogs v St Kilda TD (T)

Looks like another few danger games here, North Collingwood looms as a intresting game, i think the pies, given good weather will absolutely ROMP North Melbourne. But that is given wells is out, he is due back and due for a big game! No harvey. Pies @ 39.5 + points. Hawthorn Carlton is a risky game to bet on, hawthorn have carltons measure but it is Mayhem down at Hawthorn with injuries. West Coast & Fremantle... i smell value for the Weagles (west coast). Ill wait for the lineups but id be very tempted to take them at the line. A H2H win @ 1.80 right now looks Complete Value. I go for Essendon, so im probally biast, but ive never gone wrong with essendon this year :) so im doing well. I have a feeling we will get the points here, but its not strong enough for me to want to bet on it.. Ill take essendon at line though :) Port Vs Adelaide, adelaide are a pretty good side, so are port. Port will keep st kilda's record up here (every team st kilda vses wins the next week). Burgoyne will be to clean so will the rest of the crew. Port By no more then 36. Sydney Vs Richmond, note to self *oh oh oh you really do want to bet on richmond here, but you cant trust richmond EVER!* im thinking i do take a punt on the tiges this week, but ill look to teams - Nathan brown could be back :) and cousins and cotchin. Melbourne Vs Geelong. Geelong could lose this, they really could... however i think ablett brilliance will lead them to a 60+ point win. Good bet would be over 37 at HALF time. :) Bulldogs Vs Saints. Hard to go past saints, mabye a little short, but they will win.. look @ Line :) Easy :D :cow:nana

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Re: AFL Round 6; Not the 'Rivalry' Round i really had in mind. Aside from the local derbies I don't really see any traditional rivalries this weekend (looking at you Ash for clarification). HTW, not convinced much by Essendon on first look/though. Hille gone for the season, granted Lions without a ruckman too. Thing that strikes me though is intensity levels. Huge effort last week from the Bombers in the biggest game of the regular season. Given the come back nature of the win I would suspect their mental energy would essentially be depleted. Essendon by no means a top side and not convinced they are professional enough to back up from that type of game. First Thoughts: U15.5 Port/Ade & WCE/Freo Lions 25+ Geelong by plenty

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HTW, not convinced much by Essendon on first look/though. Hille gone for the season, granted Lions without a ruckman too. Thing that strikes me though is intensity levels. Huge effort last week from the Bombers in the biggest game of the regular season. Given the come back nature of the win I would suspect their mental energy would essentially be depleted. Essendon by no means a top side and not convinced they are professional enough to back up from that type of game.
Essendon , will be completely full of buzz, the Lions down a few ruckmen aswell, come off a poor performance vs Geelong at skilled stadium. Hard to recover from a hard trip to geelong in the weather! Im not to sure about freo wce under 15.5, yes it is rivaly round but i think WCE will be FAR FAR to strong for a Rhys Palmer missing; Fremantle! I Agree with you on the melb game.
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HTW' date=' not convinced much by Essendon on first look/though. Hille gone for the season, granted Lions without a ruckman too. Thing that strikes me though is intensity levels. Huge effort last week from the Bombers in the biggest game of the regular season. Given the come back nature of the win I would suspect their mental energy would essentially be depleted. Essendon by no means a top side and not convinced they are professional enough to back up from that type of game.[/quote'] I agree CP, that the likelihood of a letdown for the Bombers is highly probable considering a week ago they let an ordinary Nth Melb beat them (a game they could've just as easily won) after winning the Blues blockbuster. Last year, they beat the Blues in a high-scoring game and travelled west and beat Freo by less than a goal. It wasn't much but a win nonetheless and their only win on the road for the year. There were other "honourable" interstate performances WCE (10 pt loss) and Ade (5 pt loss). The remaining i/s game was a 91 pt loss to Sydney. What this boils down to is, I just think I want a bit better than $1.50 for a team who have only scored 9 goals in their last 7 qtrs of play. Considering the quality of their forward-line, their inability to score a decent total is rather disappointing. Brisbane's loss to the Cats was their biggest since their 139 pt loss to the Saints in 2005. They never got a chance to "bounce back" as it was a Rnd 22 match and I have no idea how they'll fare this time. Essendon may not win but I'm pretty sure they will get close and unless there's an indication that there's a fire in the belly of the Lions players this week, I may consider the Bombers at the line.
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Im not to sure about freo wce under 15.5, yes it is rivaly round but i think WCE will be FAR FAR to strong for a Rhys Palmer missing; Fremantle!
I'm actually with CP on this. Rhys Palmer is bit over-rated as a Rising Star Award Winner. He is effective at the clearances and 1st receivals but his disposal by foot is rather poor and I don't think they'll miss him that much especially now that Hasleby (another Rising Star Award Winner) is playing regularly again. Eagles deserve to be favs as they have been more impressive but the form book is pretty useless in these games. My only concern is Freo having to "turn up" 2 wks in a row. If Freo play Pavlich in the midfield then the Eagles will have to play Glass on a lesser player and Freo also need to tag Kerr out of the game as well to have a winning chance. I will look at this game again later but for now I think this will be close.
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I'm actually with CP on this. Rhys Palmer is bit over-rated as a Rising Star Award Winner. He is effective at the clearances and 1st receivals but his disposal by foot is rather poor and I don't think they'll miss him that much especially now that Hasleby (another Rising Star Award Winner) is playing regularly again. Eagles deserve to be favs as they have been more impressive but the form book is pretty useless in these games. My only concern is Freo having to "turn up" 2 wks in a row. If Freo play Pavlich in the midfield then the Eagles will have to play Glass on a lesser player and Freo also need to tag Kerr out of the game as well to have a winning chance. I will look at this game again later but for now I think this will be close.
I agree with you on the Haselby point, but Palmer is a clearance specialist. Crowley will sit on Kerr, freeing up Priddis to have a massive game. LeCras and big hack QLYNCH to kick a bag here. Fremantle i cannot see winning here!
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Re: AFL Round 6; Hawks to get Osborne back this week. Trained well today kicking goals from 50. Lots of talk about Gilham and that he may have a chipped bone in his knee requiring injections for him to play (nothing unusual about this). He generally picks up the Fev so if he doesn't come back in, could be a mismatch for Blues. I reckon with Ryder having to play in the ruck, the Bombers will really struggle with Brisbane's twin towers. Jono Brown generally tears them a new one. Lloyd could hardly walk at the end of the game and Lucas looks like he is heading for early retirement. Surely after the Pies dismal finish, they should be too good for a rudder less Roos. They have struggled to kick goals all season and with Bloomer and Wells both out, really can't see them kicking 20 goals get the chocolates. Geelong - well, what can you say.....

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Not the 'Rivalry' Round i really had in mind. Aside from the local derbies I don't really see any traditional rivalries this weekend (looking at you Ash for clarification).
Just looks the two Oscar, unless there's still bad blood over the 1977 Grand Final Draw or South Melbourne & Richmond have scores to settle from the 1977 Elimination Final. They always do WBD v Saints rivalry - can only think of two side on one prem each :unsure. Of course there was Essendon/Collingwood last week, which I imagine you've already collected on, Oscar? I'm guessing my comments (Ess v Coll) at SP were scoffed at by some, also? :lol
Some bad karma due against Collingwood after they’ve persecuted the umpires during the week. Also the betting consideration is usually evened up due to this fixtures (perceived) status.
BTW, in racing parlance, I'm sure Saints/Dogs on Sunday will want to play down the middle - that's sure to be where the better ground is ;););). Clue; I'm being slightly cryptic again (remember the Geel/North barney last year), although I'm sure you all should be able to work it out.
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Hawks to get Osborne back this week. Trained well today kicking goals from 50. Lots of talk about Gilham and that he may have a chipped bone in his knee requiring injections for him to play (nothing unusual about this). He generally picks up the Fev so if he doesn't come back in, could be a mismatch for Blues. I reckon with Ryder having to play in the ruck, the Bombers will really struggle with Brisbane's twin towers. Jono Brown generally tears them a new one. Lloyd could hardly walk at the end of the game and Lucas looks like he is heading for early retirement. Surely after the Pies dismal finish, they should be too good for a rudder less Roos. They have struggled to kick goals all season and with Bloomer and Wells both out, really can't see them kicking 20 goals get the chocolates. Geelong - well, what can you say.....
jeez ryder has a massive game and you've written him off. Do you realise brisbane are with out there gun ruckmen aswell? Jono Brown , meet Hurley. Bradshaw meet the 2nds hopefully this weekend :) i agree with you on the pies, as do i geelong.. but please don't write off the bombers here. ive picked essendon in our 3 winning games and tipped against us in our two losing games :). I will be tipping essendon this week :) :cheers
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jeez ryder has a massive game and you've written him off. Do you realise brisbane are with out there gun ruckmen aswell? Jono Brown , meet Hurley. Bradshaw meet the 2nds hopefully this weekend :) i agree with you on the pies, as do i geelong.. but please don't write off the bombers here. ive picked essendon in our 3 winning games and tipped against us in our two losing games :). I will be tipping essendon this week :) :cheers
Maybe I didn't make it clear - with Ryder playing in the ruck, the bombres will be a little short of KP defenders and Brown/Bradshaw are up there with the best (as apposed to Cloke/Anthony and a half assed Rocca). We know that Dustin Fletcher doesn't perform well on KP forwards and going on your logic with Hurley (who hasn't played since Rnd1 with a quad injury) playing on Brown (looks more like Myers than Hurley at this stage), that will leave Fletcher on Bradshaw which Voss would be licking his lips about I would reckon. :beer I don't barrack for Essendscum, just an outsiders opinion. ;)
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Maybe I didn't make it clear - with Ryder playing in the ruck' date=' the bombres will be a little short of KP defenders and Brown/Bradshaw are up there with the best (as apposed to Cloke/Anthony and a half assed Rocca).[/quote'] Your forwards are only as good as the midfield that delivers. Midfield haven't done the twin towers any favours the last 2 rounds. And yes I barrack for Brisbane ;) Sydney Swans v Richmond Richmond have a poor record vs the Swans and at the SCG. Like Carlton, Richmond performed well on the road last year but again that was against mediocre opposition and Swans seem to be saving their best for home and Richmond will be likely to have a downer after last week's win. Both having trouble scoring but I expect the Swans to do the usual at home with hopefully O'Loughlin and/or Hall as inclusions and I'll take them at the -17.5 ($1.91) line. Unders game total may be worth a go. While I'm in the mood Melbourne v Geelong This will be ugly. After dismantling Brisbane, this will be a training run for the Cats. 100+ pt win no less. Melbourne can't possibly beat the line 3 weeks in a row. Cats at the -59.5 ($1.91) line.
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Re: AFL Round 6; Some bad karma due against Collingwood after they’ve persecuted the umpires during the week. Never any scoffing this end, Ash! [Wish I had have seen that earlier tho :lol...I seem to have drifted away from S-P lately...been wondering where you've been ;) ... ...although I had to look 3 or 4 times at you having Carlton as 1.50 favs @ Sydney :eek ] Tough week imo...I can't see a team I like (lots of totals in mind tho.) My numbers say that Collingwod shouldn't be laying any more than 2 goals...Kangas have won the last 2 meetings as reasonable 'dogs... ...but they stopped like they were shot last week when Harvey went down (is that the racing reference Ash? :drums ) ...not to mention they can't score anyway. Will be interested in a total, and not sure where it will be. Last week pretty much showed that setting AFL totals is still a very inexact science (I mean, honestly, the Rich/Nth total last week was some kind of crazy guess surely?! :unsure )... ...don't like margin bets, but Collingwood 1-39 looks more than an even chance... I was really quite surprised at the Hawthorn/Carlton line...not that I think it's off (quite the opposite!)...but I thought the Hawks would be decent favourites... ...which is a shame, 'cause as I said, now I think it's about right. Just about sick of talking about the Hawks each week...broken record stuff...but I can't believe they won last week given the numbers. Last week was the first time they've won the clearances (36-34) but again got pumped in contested ball (109-139) as they have each game s far. Carlton allowing (2) LESS I50's than the Hawks (unbelievable!!), better D, better up forwards, stupidly better as contested... ...but does history count for anything? Hawks won last 2 by 78 and 100! (Dome)...last 2 at MCG by about 4 goals each both as even prices... ...and they did lose to Essendon... Like over 196.5...doubt I'll get a number that low. First thought was the Eagles were good things, but now not so sure. As I said last week, Freo have been good at home...but Eagles haven't lost for over a year now with 24+ shots at home... ...Freo gave up 20 last week to a very forwardly challenged Swans...but did only allow 26 in the Dome v. St. Kilda... Freo have won 5 of the last 6 Derby's...3 of them as reasonble dogs. Really tough to get a read on for me now. Not sure numbers or history even point to a close one...Maybe <24.5> at a stretch, but not all that keen. Actually agree with both sides above about the Bris/Ess game...ie. neither team will score! Total for sure here, and willing to go pretty low. Brisbane have the second worst conversion in the AFL (behind Melbourne @ 2.29)...a bit overblown maybe by last week's 3.75, but just one week better than 2.08, and more importantly probably (:D) haven't opped 25 shots yet. Still reckon the whole zone thing is hurting Brisbane badly...same applies to Essendon. Lucas hurting/struggling, Lloyd trying to do too much and now sore anyway... ...agree with Henry that there is the potential for a mis-match (or 2!) in the Essendon backline, but they'll throw numbers back to compensate. 15 looks a lot to cover, can't trust Essendon...under all the way. Adelaide/Port <15.5> does look like a rivalry round special. Overall av's have Port +2 I50's, Crows +3...both similar D...Port with slightly better conversion, but Ess, Melbourne, Hawthorn...as bad (in historic comparison) as the Crows D has been (I'd suggest 1.90 is the worst they've been for years), but Geelong are freaks [Crows had +8 I50's in that game!!!!] and Freo on the road hurt. 4 of the last 5 have been under 15, all 5 under 25... Port have been up and down with the strength of opp...but the Crows seem content to keep games close with anyone! 4, 7, 4, 8, 2 shots difference in their games. These odds surprise me every time...3.20 is big. [Also looking at an under, but reckon the books will be with me on this one. :( ] Hall a definate...Mi'lo looks 80/20, oz...definately expecting a Swans win and decent odds off both teams "unexpected" results last week. 1.40 for the win looks generous, suspect 17 isn't too many points. [Kinda randonly, now I look, only 3 teams allowing less I50's than Carlton...Crows, Geelong, St. Kilda!... ...even more randomly, but anyone taking a stab at the 5th best?....Freo!! :eek :\] Don't like getting involved with massive numbers...Geelong could (and should) win by 100+, but 4 weeks ago they beat Richmond by 20...go figure... Pretty conservative odds here I would have thought for a 5-0 team with the biggest % in [my! :D] memory! Saints holding teams to an almost impossible 37 I50's a game!!...although equally impossibly have not played a Vic team yet!!! Clearly the Dogges will top that...and when you look a bit closer, they are doing it at the back end...have only topped 27 shots once this year, in a game Kosi kicked 4 goals from 8 marks @ FF. Dogs a little unlucky last week...tired legs no doubt, so really only bad kicking (it's gunna be a bad day when Gilbee and Higgins both miss easy ones early...tired legs ;) )...and stupidly good kicking by Carlton was the difference. Was on the Dogs last year in Rd. 3. (2.85)...a draw before that (3.65!), and a win mid last year as favs... Aker in is HUGE as that lead-up forward...Murphy with a game up will be much better... Like an under at a reasonable number...but I also think the Dogs are definately in this game...again, unfortunately, the books seem to agree. {OOoooohhhh....so the Dogs will have a million less I50's but still be in it... :tongue2 ...see, we agree on stuff all the time. :ok} Good Luck lads. :cheers btw, H2W...not a matter of 'behaving' mate...I mean, you clearly know your stuff, so we'd [i'd!] really like to see some reasons for taking what you do. All good...I'd just rather not see any after event posts with nothing before-hand at all...no good to anyone... ...the enthusiam is obvious, but rules are rules...which I know you understand. :ok

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My numbers say that Collingwod shouldn't be laying any more than 2 goals...Kangas have won the last 2 meetings as reasonable 'dogs... ...but they stopped like they were shot last week when Harvey went down (is that the racing reference Ash? :drums ) ...not to mention they can't score anyway.
Everything to do with two teams (Coll & North) that never ever use the corridor ... and look what happens when Essendon, a team with rights to bottom-4, are encouraged to use it; their kids run through it and kick winning goals. Collingwood have done nothing yet IMO but North are so dead that I feel the bookmakers are spot on with the market. The night before Brad Green went down I piled on a H2H Green @ 1.90 more brownlow votes than Cam Bruce (despite Cam is best player in the league) :\. I guess he may still get up, anyway :hope. Got 151.00 Dal Santo for Brownlow ... :\, I've got him at 41.00 top-5, anyway ;). Something on Rioli 351.00/91.00 as well :hope.
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Re: AFL Round 6; Thanks for the clear up TazaD :) looking at a numerous amount of betting options i like the look of a few! (smiles) Collingwood @ Line (-19) @ $1.80 - May seem a little risky but i think Collingwood will have to much run for the roos, game will stay tight for abit, before the pies take over in the 2nd half. North Melbourne/Collingwood - @ 6.25 - Risky, but a little punt on this should be good. North may start off the game well but tire, and Collingwood will come good if its close after half time. Sydney @ Line 17.5 - Sydney will win this after looking at the teams, Hall & Oloc are back! Two of there most important players. Sydney to lead @ HT & @ Full time - Sydney will win comfortably (Y) Geelong @ line - should win by over 100 points here! @ super margin 100+ points. Its geelong! Saints! @ line. best bet would be at line. Also i like the Over/Under depending on what it is. If its 230+ o/u then ill be taking a big bet on under. Other Bets Sydney O/U - Under WCE Fremantle - Over/Under - Under WCE @ line. Adelaide & Port winner under 15.5 margin Essendon @ line

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Everything to do with two teams (Coll & North) that never ever use the corridor ... and look what happens when Essendon' date=' a team with rights to bottom-4, are encouraged to use it; their [u']kids run through it and kick winning goals. Collingwood have done nothing yet IMO but North are so dead that I feel the bookmakers are spot on with the market. The night before Brad Green went down I piled on a H2H Green @ 1.90 more brownlow votes than Cam Bruce (despite Cam is best player in the league) :\. I guess he may still get up, anyway :hope. Got 151.00 Dal Santo for Brownlow ... :\, I've got him at 41.00 top-5, anyway ;). Something on Rioli 351.00/91.00 as well :hope.
Being rather sporadic in the attention I pay to the AFL, is there any reason why Cooney is 201 for the Brownlow? Just seemed a bit longer than I'd have thought it to be, although Ablett is very short. On another note, i see the Cats are $51 to lose their game of the year to the Dogs in Round 21. I could be off but isn't there some sort of destiny thing where the dominant team loses in Round 21 for the first time? I think Dogs did it to Essendon a few years back? As for team rivalries Ash, I use the Adelaide/Perth derbies, Ess v Coll, Ess v Carl, Ess v Rich, Carl v Coll, Carl v Rich, Rich v Coll. None of the other 'rivalries' really stood out as much. Any input?
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Being rather sporadic in the attention I pay to the AFL, is there any reason why Cooney is 201 for the Brownlow? Just seemed a bit longer than I'd have thought it to be, although Ablett is very short. On another note, i see the Cats are $51 to lose their game of the year to the Dogs in Round 21. I could be off but isn't there some sort of destiny thing where the dominant team loses in Round 21 for the first time? I think Dogs did it to Essendon a few years back? As for team rivalries Ash, I use the Adelaide/Perth derbies, Ess v Coll, Ess v Carl, Ess v Rich, Carl v Coll, Carl v Rich, Rich v Coll. None of the other 'rivalries' really stood out as much. Any input?
Cooney just hasn't been fit like he was last year and is obviously already at least a dozen votes behind the leader, whoever that could possibly be :unsure. Likewise with Franklin, who was a lay pre season IMO due to his restricted preparation. Round 21: nice odds, wouldn't be surprised, Oscar :ok.
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Last week pretty much showed that setting AFL totals is still a very inexact science (I mean' date=' honestly, the Rich/Nth total last week was some kind of crazy guess surely?! :unsure )...[/quote'] Well it was a ridiculous total that everybody should've jumped on. Maybe they looked at Carl vs WB by accident which if I recall they ended up giving 210.5pts anyway, less than the 215.5 for the Nth-Rich game. What the? I think we see this occasionally. The better-skilled team defying their inferior stats.
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Also i like the Over/Under depending on what it is. If its 230+ o/u then ill be taking a big bet on under.
lol....You're a very hopeful man! :lol [Not a hope :\ ] I think we see this occasionally. The better-skilled team defying their inferior stats. Of course they do, oz...in fact a step further is that crap teams defy the numbers quite often!...just sayin looking at the post game numbers you'd (well, I'd!) be shocked the Hawks won... ...using as a look ahead tool more than anything...still very over-rated imo, if that's at all possible off a Premiership...or v. one of the more over-rated teams in the comp (hence the odds). Anyone who took WC v. the line last week were justified (not I, said the fly)... ;) Unusual draw for the Saints indeed. I'm sure somebody's picked up on this one. The Saints 1st 4 opponents (being non-Victorian of course) all started underdogs in their following game .... AND WON. Not convinced there's any conspiracy here...(despite a couple of years back the Ess...lose next week/same with NE [NFL] phenom...)... ...4 weeks in and we have 3 interstate teams playing at home (following St. K.) and the Crows playing @ Freo and not doing such a great job about it. So anyway, Port are good things this week? ;) Yeah, Cooney being missed big time by the Doggies...still somehow still under-rated as a player...missed 2 games so far above all... ...limitted- to no- pre-season due to end of season op and won't be in full flight until mid-year I suspect. No chance. (As much chance as Rioli! :unsure :lol)... ...But Dal Santo is a cracker. :clap :hope On another note, i see the Cats are $51 to lose their game of the year to the Dogs in Round 21. I could be off but isn't there some sort of destiny thing where the dominant team loses in Round 21 for the first time? I think Dogs did it to Essendon a few years back? Problem being Crouch, is that I can see them losing one or two before that. 2 trips (although, likely one) trip to Perth in consec. weeks... ...St. K. and Hawthorn ain't gunna be easy in 14/17.
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Re: AFL Round 6; Having a small dabble on the Pies 1-39 into the Swans 1-39 into the Cats by >40 and the Saints straight up @ 10.75. Have relied on gut and the excellent intelligence off this forum (thanks chaps - no pressure). Also the Cats to post the round's bigegst score @ 3.00. Good luck all!

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So anyway, Port are good things this week? ;)
If they weren't playing the Crows then probably. They are the more talented team and probably more deserving of the sl to equal fav status but talent alone doesn't win games. The Showdown takes attention away from the fact they got belted by 66pts at home last w/e. Lost many games at home last year, some by small margins incl a few chokes. First loss at home this year and it was their biggest loss at home in 3 yrs and their 2nd lowest score ever. You would think that would hurt. Anyway, I'm looking at the under game total here but I would be lucky to get 180 I feel.
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' date=' I'm looking at the under game total here but I would be lucky to get 180 I feel.[/quote'] Yeah...I want 190 but not holding out much hope. Collingwood v. Kangas under 198.5 Roos can't score. Their games av. <100 I50's a game, they have the second worst conversion (behind Melboure) an av. just 21 shots. I don't see it improvng without Harvey in the line-up. Collingwood have only topped 181 once this season, v. a crazily good scoring Geelong. The Pies also have an amazing defensive record on Friday night (the old National Stage...even with the advent of Fox which is weird... :\) Both teams allow <50 I50's per game so it's hard to see this being a shoot-out.
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Yeah...I want 190 but not holding out much hope. Collingwood v. Kangas under 198.5 Roos can't score. Their games av. <100 I50's a game, they have the second worst conversion (behind Melboure) an av. just 21 shots. I don't see it improvng without Harvey in the line-up. Collingwood have only topped 181 once this season, v. a crazily good scoring Geelong. The Pies also have an amazing defensive record on Friday night (the old National Stage...even with the advent of Fox which is weird... :\) Both teams allow <50 I50's per game so it's hard to see this being a shoot-out.
Any particular bookmaker I can get this at, or do I need to pop into the Colonial Hotel?
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;1371484']Anyone know what the opening odds were for the Carlton/Hawks match?
when i checked, hawks wer $1.80 to carltons $2.10? if my memories serves me correctly. carlton will win today, get on them at the line! paying $2.10!
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