SteveO Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Re: online Cash game KK cutoff You sound slightly arrogant with your last post there pokerlife. Do you think people who have responded are not successful cash players? You keep saying deepstacked? Isn't 100xbb normal for a cash game. In the situation you gave you had an increased starting stack of 70% but your opponent didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokerlife Posted January 4, 2009 Author Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: online Cash game KK cutoff errrrr.. double posted...sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokerlife Posted January 4, 2009 Author Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: online Cash game KK cutoff You sound slightly arrogant with your last post there pokerlife. Do you think people who have responded are not successful cash players? You keep saying deepstacked? Isn't 100xbb normal for a cash game. In the situation you gave you had an increased starting stack of 70% but your opponent didn't. I didn't intend to sound arrogant and i'm sure many players who responded are successful cash game players. I was just alarmed at many people who seemed to suggest that this was an autocall, as though kings can never be folded preflop properly for cash, clearly a misguided response. My use of deepstack is to emphasise that this is not a tournament, and definately not a low M situation. Also i know of plenty of people who play regular cash games with 40BB and 50BB starting stacks(something which changes the dynamics of this decision obviously), in fact my local casino's two lowest limit tables are both fixed 40BB buyins!! Also there seemed to be alot of tournament orientated answers that sounded like people who havn't played cash games. E.G "Shoves like this normally indicate AK not AA". I don't think i've ever seen someone shoveoff for 100+BB with AK in a cash game(or even a tourny lol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: online Cash game KK cutoff ;1255630]99% of the time' date=' folding KK pre flop will be a mistake. The situation here may be the 1% of the time where you can do it :unsure If you cannot fold KK here, then you can never fold KK....[/quote'] It's only a 4bet over-shove. It's kind of rare but i never fold KK here. If there's real tight players re-raising a lot pre flop then that can be a good time to fold your KK. Folding KK to a 4bet shove against someone you only have 40hands on is way too tight imo. For all you know the guy has been eating pizza, drinking bottles of Bud and watching PPV channel 923 for the previous 40 hands then looks over at the comp and sees AK or JJ and gets over excited! Actually the worse thing here is saying what you have and folding. Saying you're folding KK to a 4bet over shove screams volumes to the rest of the table. Even if the guy turns over Aces you still have outs. And in the end if you believe KK always runs into AA then you'll also believe you're AA always gets cracked ;) Call, you have KK against little info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: online Cash game KK cutoff And in the end if you believe KK always runs into AA then you'll also believe you're AA always gets cracked ;) :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanfaz Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Re: online Cash game KK cutoff I definately think you're calling this 100% of the time. To me it looks like a weaker hand. With aces he would probably have re-raised to $38 or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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