Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October

[Aykay1]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October Great way to encourage new posters Jonesy :(

Originally Posted by Jonesy Knows Seems that your name is right, however you don't heed your own advice! :lol So Man Utd have a chance to wrap up certain promotion with a win and they have a fairly easy game away at Everton next saturday and you think Rooney and Ronaldo may be rested? :) I think this little snippet of information has 2 hopes: No & Bob Before you post such crap please but your brain into gear!

Jonesy Knows ;Thanks for your positive input on my posting,::eyes,I can assure you I passed on this snippet of info with the best of intentions because,(as a man of your experience will understand,) having all the available, up to date ,information,before parting with your cash is a sensible idea,the information I passed on, is freely available on the Yahoo sports pages,and was useful to me, as I was going to back Rooney and Ronaldo to be anytime scorers,and I thought it maybe of use to my fellow punters...........I will however take on board your advice before posting such information again :hope .

You have done nothing wrong mugpunter - there is indeed speculation that Rooney, and Ronaldo especially may be rested - this sort of information is invaluable to anyone considering backing Man U. In fact, here is a snippet from the BBC sports website. Don't let people like Jonesy Knows put you off posting such information in the future :ok

Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo may be rested for Tuesday's Champions League tie against Celtic as he is still recovering from ankle surgery. And manager Sir Alex Ferguson is keen to give Ronaldo time to fully recover from the summer surgery on his ankle.

[stathis]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October

I think Arsenal is a sucker bet at this time. Wouldn't be surprised if Fenerbahce takes the lead I am sensing a draw here.

I am Arsenal from 1974 but in this game we may lose. 2-1 score for Fener is what I think...we would be very lucky if we take the draw.:cow

[blackcrow]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October Man Utd - Celtic under 2.5 With Celtic missing thier strikers for this game then the likelihood of them scoirng in this game is greatly reduced, notwithstanding that Man Utd have a very good defence. They will go to Old Trafford to get as many players behind the ball and try to frustrate Man Utd, who ar also more than likely going into this game without Ronaldo and possibly Rooney. Don't think thaa Celtic will allow themselves be blown out nor will Ferguson try to embarrass them given the good relations between the clubs and their supporters. Man Utd may 1-0 or 2-0 but don't it will be more Villareal - Aab under 2.5 Villareal are very strong defensively as they best record in the Primera Liga and doubt that Aab have the quality to score here. After being embarrassed 3-0 at home to Man Utd then Aab will look to tighten up thier game so a simialr thing doesn't happen at Villareal. While Villareal are expected to win and they should, whether they win by more than two goals is debatable as they have had problems scoring in this competition as they drew 0- with Man Utd and Celtic they beat 1-0 at home. Bayern Munich - Fiorentina over 2.5 Not much separates these two teams in this group so look to see both teams go for it here as points are vital. Bayern are a talented side but yet to see the team really click but you get the feeling that this may happen here as Fiorentina, while being a decent side, are not exceptional. Bayern's problems are at the back where they have shown to be jittery in the past, and with Gilardino in good form for Fiorentina then he may get at least a goal for them. The over looks good as i worry that Bayern may allow a second goal to draw the match, as it looks like a 2-1 game to them Steaua Bucharest - Lyon under 2.5 Steaua were pretty competitive against Bayern and Fiorentina so it will be difficult for Lyon to come here and win this game. Even though Steaua have yet to score they were unlucky to do so, so if they do score here, look for them to close up the game fairly early on, as there has been quite a bit of turmoil in the club with the president and the coach, so a victory here will increase the mroale in this place. Lyon is not the same team thgey were several years ago, as they don't have the same attacking thrust where they scored goals regularly. As Lyon are missing their central defensive pair, they may be tempted to sit back deeper to protect them, and may be happy with a draw here and look to win at home in the reverse fixture. Porto - Dinamo Kiev over 2.5 These two teams are likely to fight it out for second palce in this group so they will go for it here to get the vitsl three points. Porto have shown that there defence is not the msot dependable as they allowed Arsenal to score 4 on them and Fenerabahce also scored in losing to Porto 3-1. Kiev have has some good recent form and their 1-1 draw at home against Arsenal proved that they have ability on thier squad. This will be an easier assignment as Porto are not as good as Arsenal, so both team should be able to score on the other and each will look for the winner to get the three points. Fenerbahce - Arsenal under 2.5 Domestically, Fenerbahce have been quite poor and under normal circumstances, Arsenal would win this easily, but the atmosphere is sure to get hot here as the fans love to get behind the home team. Also Arsenal have several players out with injury which may cause them some problems as did with Everton early on before they got back in the game. At Kiev they could only manage a 1-1 draw while Fenerbahce managed to draw 0-0 with them at home, so maybe both sets of fans will be happy with a draw here. Zenit St Petersburg - BATE Borisov over 2.5 These two team now if they are a chance to progress they need a win against each other so you would expect an attacking game here. Both teams should then also be prone to the counter attack, and goals should be scored here. Zenit lost both their group gmes while BATE surprised Juve by gaining a point in a high scoring 2-2 draw. Juventus - Real Madrid under 2.5 Two giants of European football clash here so look to both teams to be cautious form the start as they have much respect for their abilities. However from then on things will get interesting. Juve have won their last 4 home games against Real Madrid and if they get in front here, they will close this game up as only the Italians know how to. They have been struggling doemstically and Ranieri needs a result here to keep his job as it is under threat. Madrid are doing well domestically, but they may be tired from their derby game with Athletico, and with 2 wins already in the group, they may be satisfied with a point here before the return fixture in Madrid in a fortnight's time.

[Calsa]

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Celtic aint as good as they were a season or 2 ago. There home form is cack' date=' and thats what they rely on, as their even Sh_tter away.[/quote'] See before you speak/type, jumble a few thoughts about the thing your shoulders is holding up and then relay them to yourself before letting anyone else know them. Celtic are a lot better than they were two seasons ago and are far stronger than last season. Injuries, however, have taken their toll in the last fortnight which changes things going into tonights game. We always give the English a game, home or away. On paper we stand no chance tonight, thankfully the game's not played on paper and we'll go down there with the same faith we had in Villareal, Barcelona, Milan et al. United are also a lot stronger than two seasons ago which could be the biggest factor in tonights game. They'll miss Scholes, Evra and probably Ronaldo tonight which is a relief because I think those 3 plus Rooney make them tick. I can see a few goals tonight so if there's a bet for both teams to score I'd advise people to get on it with a small wager on Celtic to win 2-1...blind faith, it's great!

[stathis]

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[Juventus v Real Madrid Also an interesting match. Juve are doing really bad and Real should capitalise on it. They are in form, they proved this with a victory against Atletico, and Juve lost against Napoli this weekend. Ruud is in form scoring goals, and they are pretty solid in the back too, as they don`t concede many goals lately. Ranieri must go, Napoli started the bussines and Real will finish it. Away win.]

Yes the logic says that Real will WIN 0-2 score or 1-2 are what I think but Juventus iS Juventus and if they manage to take the draw or Win with 1-0 or 2-1 that would NOT be something too rare. Away win Yes but not an easy one, not a 0-3 or 0-4.:unsure

[SaberBlade83]

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I think Arsenal is a sucker bet at this time. Wouldn't be surprised if Fenerbahce takes the lead and some how Arsenal has to play catch up yet again. You've got one desperate team who hasn't lost a CL home game in what 15 games? Then you have Arsenal who seem to hate traveling far Eat and they priced rather reasonable? Come on' date=' something has got to give. Playing youngsters in a hostile environment will be pointless and it will surely be too much for Arsenal too handle. I am sensing a draw here.[/quote'] Yeah I would stay well clear of betting on a Arsenal win tonight. They are a decent price I'll admit. But I don't think there is too much about the "playing youngsters in a hostile environment", but more of the fact that they have Sagna, Touré and Gallas all out. I would imagine they could cope with one of Touré/Gallas out, but not both. This should mean Djourou (or Song)/Silvestre at the back, two players who haven't played anything together. Fener is strong at home, so even though I'm hoping for a AW I think it will be HW or maybe a draw if Arsenal's back four can cope.

[JackJarvis]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October We are never ever given any hope against English sides but how is it we have a superb record against them despite us having no where near the cash to spend on players like they do??? We won't get hammered tonight and I believe if we had Samaras or Vennegoor available, we could get something from the game if Gordo got his tactics spot on. So just a warning to all the 4 and 5-0 Man Utd punters, when was the last time one of the supposed superb English sides done that to the Tic? It just doesn't happen. Oh, I would love nothing more than a bhoys win tonight!!! :D

[Toronto_Mike]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October Fenerbahce +0.5 @ 1.86 (3 Units) This is rather ridiculous. Fenerbahce haven't lost a home CL match in 15 games. They are playing a depleted Arsenal squad who do not enjoy traveling far east in their Euro games. The Young Gunners are also playing in an extremely hostile environment and could easily face their toughest test this season in terms of mental capabilities. Quality wise, Arsenal are currently the better team in terms of in season form. Fenerbahce are suffering domestically and need to get something going in the CL. However, the players that Aragones has does not suit his style of play. He is left with Zico's former players who played a much more free flowing style of play, a lot of Brasilian influence. Now the offense seems rather static. Injuries do not help as well, there are a few players injured on Fenerbahce's side that could really help bolster their offense a little more and on the other hand we have Arsenal who lost marquee defenders. Arsenal do not have a muscle player that can control and protect the young midfield. There is no doubt that Arsenal can play free flowing and keep away football better but if the crowd do have their way and toy around with the young gunners, you could start to see some panic build up. I wouldn't be shocked if Fenerbahce take the lead and the end result we shall see a famous Arsenal come back and settle for a draw. It's one of those games where Arsenal need to really understand they cannot be caught off guard, consistency is the key and to become a Champion a club must be able to accept the road woes that come along with their wins. Prediction: Fenerbahce 1-1 Arsenal [url=http://www.cappersmall.com/forums/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=2892701]

[Toronto_Mike]

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Yeah I would stay well clear of betting on a Arsenal win tonight. They are a decent price I'll admit. But I don't think there is too much about the "playing youngsters in a hostile environment"' date=' but more of the fact that they have Sagna, Touré and Gallas all out. I would imagine they could cope with one of Touré/Gallas out, but not both. This should mean Djourou (or Song)/Silvestre at the back, two players who haven't played anything together. Fener is strong at home, so even though I'm hoping for a AW I think it will be HW or maybe a draw if Arsenal's back four can cope.[/quote'] Even with Toure and Gallas in, they have managed to scumper some odd results on the road in the CL vs opponents that have a much louder crowd. Road games do have an effect on the Gunners, there is no doubt about it.

[ScottishBhoy87]

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Celtic aint as good as they were a season or 2 ago. There home form is cack' date= and thats what they rely on, as their even Sh_tter away.

As is your spelling and apparently your knowledge of football. For a start Celtic are not even playing at home so this statement is not only garbage but also invaluable. However as I have pointed out I believe it to be garbage I'll provide some reasoning before you get on your high horse. Celtic are top of the SPL at the moment, their home form in the CL is excellent with only Barcelona beating them in recent years in the CL proper (that game ended 3-2 which they were unlucky not to draw). They have taken the scalps of Man U, Milan, Shaktar, Benfica (the list goes on) in recent times. So for you to say their home form is 'cack' shows your knowledge of our beloved game to be appalling. :ok Anyway now I have that little rant out of me, I will go on to some predictions for tonight. I reckon we (Celtic) have as much chance of getting something from tonight as Scotland did of getting something in France in the Euro qualifiers = SLIM! However as was proven in that memorable night, anything can happen in football. I really do not see us winning but I totally agree odds of 17's are FAR too high and I believe the bookies should be punished. Of course this requires me to have the balls to put some cash on Celtic and for them to win. I will perform my side of the deal :lol GL with all your bets. :ok

[ScottishBhoy87]

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Great way to encourage new posters Jonesy :( You have done nothing wrong mugpunter - there is indeed speculation that Rooney, and Ronaldo especially may be rested - this sort of information is invaluable to anyone considering backing Man U. In fact, here is a snippet from the BBC sports website. Don't let people like Jonesy Knows put you off posting such information in the future :ok

Agree AK information like this could be the difference between someone putting either of these players to score etc on and picking someone else who is likely to start......Also the guy has posted his source of information so its a good post and lets other punters take what they want from it. Good work mugpunter:ok

[Alcoholic]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October "We always give the English a game, home or away. On paper we stand no chance tonight, thankfully the game's not played on paper and we'll go down there with the same faith we had in Villareal, Barcelona, Milan et al. United are also a lot stronger than two seasons ago which could be the biggest factor in tonights game. They'll miss Scholes, Evra and probably Ronaldo tonight which is a relief because I think those 3 plus Rooney make them tick. I can see a few goals tonight so if there's a bet for both teams to score I'd advise people to get on it with a small wager on Celtic to win 2-1...blind faith, it's great!" Celtic have started poorly in this seasons C league. They managed a draw against AAb. That counts as a loss in my opinion.. They are up against inform MAn UTd at Old Trafford.. NO contest in my opinion. 3-0 or more maybe... I can see this being one hell of a Beating. Over looks very tempting.. Celtic need a Football miracle here, No one is gonna be able to stop Man Utd tonight. Gorden Strach is gonna be sitting there in agony.. Rabsi Nesbitt might aswell take over as manager for tonights game, cos it aitn gonna make no difference whose in charge agianst MAn Utd. ´Strach is gonna have to sit through it and be tortured for 90mins.

[zee28]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October The game between the MU and Celtic might not be as straight forward as everybody thinks, there is one more factor which I would take into consideration, Boruc, he has made two bad mistakes in last Polish national squad, I ma sure he will be super focused to stop MU, as he loves those kind of challenges, I am not saying he will, but we all know he is capable of doing so, as to other games I think Lyon is a banker, they showed lots of spirit against Fiorentina and were not bad against Munich, you need to remeber that Steua's acomplishment is being CL while Lyon has beed preparing to do something more than participating in group stages, Benzema is considered to be one of the best strikers according to many and he has to show he is able to carry the team in CL, no better start than do it today, as they need the points, they know Bayern has't been playing very well and that Fiorentina might want to take advantage of it. Good luck to all of you tonight.

[Alcoholic]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October As is your spelling and apparently your knowledge of football. For a start Celtic are not even playing at home so this statement is not only garbage but also invaluable. However as I have pointed out I believe it to be garbage I'll provide some reasoning before you get on your high horse. Celtic are top of the SPL at the moment, their home form in the CL is excellent with only Barcelona beating them in recent years in the CL proper (that game ended 3-2 which they were unlucky not to draw). They have taken the scalps of Man U, Milan, Shaktar, Benfica (the list goes on) in recent times. So for you to say their home form is 'cack' shows your knowledge of our beloved game to be appalling. :ok Ur understanding is not too hot either, as I didnt say Celtic were playing at home. I just mentioned that their home form isnt as good as it was a season or 2 ago, and their away form is Fu_king aweful.. They rely heavily on their home form, but this season they cant even do that. So they are shafted mate..!!

[JackJarvis]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October Alcoholic, Just a typical view from an Englishman who has no respect for Celtics' achievements in Europe on a shoestring budget. If they do win 3-0, I will hold my hands up but to say Rab C Nesbitt may aswell take over is sheer bollocks. Strachan has performed miracles with Celtic to get us into the last 16 two seasons in a row... as I say... on a very poor budget. Its a well known fact we are given no hope against English sides but just have a look at results in the past few years.... it tells a completely different story.

[Alcoholic]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October All they can do tonight is park the team Bus infront of goal. And hope for a miracle.

[Alcoholic]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October I aint dissing Celtic as a Team or for what they have achieved in the past. They have a good record in Europe over the past few seasons, but not this season mate. Im just saying, They aint on form , injuries in the squad, and they play MAN UTD who are on Fire now.. Looking at a scottish pasting

[Alcoholic]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October "The game between the MU and Celtic might not be as straight forward as everybody thinks, there is one more factor which I would take into consideration, Boruc, he has made two bad mistakes in last Polish national squad" Lets hope this bloke plays tonight.. Will be another nail in the coffin

[Alcoholic]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October Villereal to beat AAB aswell looks nailed on.. 3 points is a must to keep up with Man utd in the table. Double MAn U/Villereal @ 1.50 .. NICE :)

[JCtips]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October Steaua-Lyon Steaua are not doing very well and have a 1-3-2 record in their last 6 games overall. Lyon are 2-3-1 in their last 6 overall but there's simply too much of a quality, class and experience difference between these teams. With World class players like Juninho, Cris, Fred, Grosso and Benzema I think Lyon are the favorites here. My pick: Lyon -0.25AH (2.02); Zenit-B. Borisov Too much of a quality and class difference in this game as well but IMO the odd is too low on Zenit. The visitors have 3 overs in their last 6 overall, while the hosts have 5 overs in their last 6 overall and 6 overs in their last 6 home games. The way Zenit produces attacking fottball and with World Class players like Dani, Arshavin and Progebnyak I do expect some goals in this game. Let's see if they can keep it safe at the back. My pick: >2.5 (1.69); Porto-D. Kiev Porto rested their most important players over the weekend in the Cup game and are a much better team then Kiev in terms os quality and experience. They lack quality at the back (defensive wings) but I don't think they will be tested there today as Kiev will surely play a defensive game (they always keep 10 men behind the ball line in these type of games). Porto has an impressive record in their CL home games having lost only once. They also have a 4-0-0 record in their last 4 home games. On the other hand, Kiev has a poor away record in the competition with 7 losses in their 9 away games so far. Kiev also lost to Portuguese club Sporting twice last year in the CL (1-2 and 3-0). My pick: Porto (1.60); Bayern-Fiorentina Interesting game this one should be. Bayern started the season in a horrible form but they now see influent World Class player Ribery back in the team and that will surely be a boost for them as soon as he gets into shape again. Today Luca Toni is doubtful for the game. Fiorentina have 2 draws so far in the competition with one of them leaving a bitter taste in their mouths (2-2 at strong Lyon after being up 0-2...). If Fiorentina can keep it tigh at the back they can surely do some damage upfront with World Class players like Gilardino and Mutu. My pick: Fiorentina +0.5AH (2.01); Good luck! JC

[Toronto_Mike]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October JC, Thanks for the heads up on Porto resting key players for this match. Will follow you. On 3 similar plays Fiorentina and Lyon

[Carl]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October Im gonna take a few bets tonight, United to Win 3-0. Over 2.5 goals with BET365 @ 1.70 Utd are starting to fire, Ronaldo may miss tonights game meaning Tevez n Rooney n Berbatov will start. It says a lot of Fergie if he can leave his main man out and whislt Utd are on a roll Celtic just can't win away from home. Id expect a slow start from both but once Utd score 1 goal it willopen the flood gates as Celtic are not a team to sit back.

[raise_pheonix]

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Manchester Utd v Celtic I think that ManUtd should be able to beat Celtic, since they are returning into their deadly form lately, they have proven this with a win against WestBrom. Also they don`t have problems with injuries and Celtic have quite some, they arein similar position as Newcastle as they are almost completely out of strikers with Samaras and Veneegor out. I think this should be an easy home win. Juventus v Real Madrid Also an interesting match. Juve are doing really bad and Real should capitalise on it. They are in form, they proved this with a victory against Atletico, and Juve lost against Napoli this weekend. Ruud is in form scoring goals, and they are pretty solid in the back too, as they don`t concede many goals lately. Ranieri must go, Napoli started the bussines and Real will finish it. Away win. Bayern München v Fiorentina I think that Fiorentina is somehow under priced, i mean the quotes are too high. They are getting in form and Bayern is`t really convincing i think. Although Fiorentin have almost no CL experiences and are not doing great away(only draw at Steaua) i think that they have the ability to take a point in this game. Bayern is also not that good(draw against VfL Bochum and Olympique Lyonnais) at home doesn`t make them such favourites. I think a draw will occur in this game. Steaua v Lyon Lyon must win in this game if they want to beat Fiorentina and reach the second place in the group. Steaua are no pushovers that they have proven in both previous games, but i think that Lyon have the ability to beat them if they play as giid as they can. Away win.

Small Mistake where u say Fiorentina are not doing great away(only draw at steaua). The Mistake is that fiorentina only draw was away at Stade Gerland(at LYON) not at Steaua.The Steaua Match was played at Artemio Franchi from FIRENZE wich makes Fiorentina the home side in that match. Mistakes are human but double check is the best way. Now a little about Steaua-Lyon. This is the kind of match u shouldn't bet on because Steaua haven't won any of theyr last 5 games,Lyon only drew against Lille last match. They present form is reall bad but UEFA Champions League is another story.The Ghencea stadium in Bucharest will be fully crowded,and as valencia felt on they'r own skin few years back,the 12-th player is a reality not just a figure of spech. No Favorites for this match. My Opinion ONLY a DRAW even if i hope to be wrong because i am romanian. P.S. not a steaua fan-DINAMO BUCHAREST FAN:D

[raise_pheonix]

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where are those rumors being circulated? i can't se why they would rest them without having secured the group

God Point No way they will rest they'r top players untill they secure the group. Plus,ferguson is scotish,he always tryes to win against his country side's,is a matter of honor. Clear as the sunlight.MAN UNITED win Here it could also be a good bet OVER 2.5 as they have good forwards,and both teams play the crossings often. they also played last year and at least one of the games was 3-2

[JCtips]

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JC, Thanks for the heads up on Porto resting key players for this match. Will follow you. On 3 similar plays Fiorentina and Lyon

Hi Toronto_Mike! My pleasure :ok! They played away to poor Sertanense a non-professional league club over the weekend. Players like Lucho. Lizandro, Raul Meireles and Rodriguez (to name a few of the most important in the team) didn't play... :cheers JC

[Jedini]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October Fenerbahçe - Arsenal A "must win" for Fener here and it's not like they will be hosting Brasilian national team. It's still just Arsenal. Sükrü Saraçoglu stadium will be on fire tonight and I expect Fener even though without Gokhan, Deivid and Belözoğlu to make a complete, fanatic pressure from the first minute. Luis Aragonés knows it's most likely his ass if they fail once again. Desperate team in fanatic environmet. Home win. Fenerbahçe @ 3.75 Fenerbahçe - Fenerbahçe HT/FT @ 7.00 Semih Şentürk to score anytime @ 3.50 Fenerbahçe - Arsenal 3:1 correct score @ 34.00

[Toronto_Mike]

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Fenerbahçe - Arsenal A "must win" for Fener here and it's not like they will be hosting Brasilian national team. It's still just Arsenal. Sükrü Saraçoglu stadium will be on fire tonight and I expect Fener even though without Gokhan, Deivid and Belözoğlu to make a complete, fanatic pressure from the first minute. Luis Aragonés knows it's most likely his ass if they fail once again. Desperate team in fanatic environmet. Home win. Fenerbahçe @ 3.75 Fenerbahçe - Fenerbahçe HT/FT @ 7.00 Semih Şentürk to score anytime @ 3.50 Fenerbahçe - Arsenal 3:1 correct score @ 34.00

Careful with "Must Win" situations, they can also lead to disaster.

[cancan]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October Fenerbahce has minimum chances to survive because our team defense is really bad. Like a team like Arsenal who uses straight and short passes, who even dont shot in the penalty box will cause us real problems. I am almost sure that Arsenal will score on a counter attack and it's really hard for fenerbahce to come back from 0-1. I'm a Fenerbahce fan, really want my team to succeed but in these circumstances it will be a miracle that we beat Arsenal. The best score we can take from this one is 1-1 or 0-0 which is rather tough. ARSENAL TO WIN 9/10 POSSIBLE SCORELINE : 0-4 for ARSENAL GL to my team FENERBAHCE...

[Jedini]

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Careful with "Must Win" situations' date=' they can also lead to disaster.[/quote'] I know, that's why I ""ed it :D. Never liked that term but there was no other way to explain :lol Good luck, Mike :cheers

[T-Unit]

Re: Champions League: Group Stage- Matchday Three Tuesday 21st October at the offered odds like 2.4 or 2.5, i think real madrid straight win represents huge value. let's face it, juventus just isn't that good at this level of competition. two consecutive defeats at the hands of palermo and napoli respectively, two squads which are decent in serie A terms, but surely not all that in larger picture, and so they stand at just the 12th place. they also face injury problems: trezeguet and camoranesi are out, iaquinta, mellberg and legrottaglie are all doubtful, leaving them without any sort of depth up front after del piero and amauri. on the other side, real's been looking pretty good and morale is very high after winning the madrid derby. they're simply a better squad at the moment, will probably look to clinch the group with a potential victory, and i'll gladly take the odds offered.