Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread)

[billy the punter]

I often select more than one horse in a race and occasionally I get the odd 1-2 or even 1-2-3. I've had some lovely F/C and T/C touches in the past but it was always something I treated as an added bonus. I didn't always play the casts just because I selected 2/3 horses, I played it every now and again. For a bit of fun if you like, a bonus. I never looked at it as a real area where you could make regular profits if concentrated on. Until now that is. The first race I played in this season resulted in a 1676/1 T/C and as I result I've been placing more F/T/C's this season and have been staking more than usual on them. I'm well in front, actually without them my personal P/L would be very different this season. This prompted me to do a little research. A lot of the time in my posts I mention that I am having a F/C or T/C comb but from now on I personaly will be playing the casts whenever I select more than one in a race. Here are my findings based on every race where I've selected more than one horse. F/C I think the fairest way to stake would be 1pt PER race, therefore two selections would simply be 0.5pt RFC, three selections would be a 0.165pt FC comb, four selection would be a 0.08pt FC comb and so on. Selections : 42 Winners : 9 S/R : 21% Staked : 42pts Returned : 60.71pts (CSF) Returned : 65.44pts (Exactas) Another finding is that the value lies with exactas. 6 paying better. Profits would be greater had I staked more for a comb, but I believe that the stake should be the same no matter what the selection - it's the fairest way. (Winning bets were Don't Panic/Benandonner, Best One/Punching, Lucayan Dancer/Princess Cocoa, Irish Quest/Brave Hawk, Benandonner/Regal Parade, Diriculous/Lethal, Miss Marauser/Montrachet, Ansells Pride/Regal Parade, Cape Hawk/Nice To Know) T/C Staking in exactly the same way but obviously races only qualify if I select three or more in a T/C race. Selections : 14 Winners : 2 S/R : 14% Staked : 14pts Returned : 147.57pts (Winning bets were Don't Panic/Benandonner/Trafalgar Square, Ansells Pride/Regal Parade/Cha Cha Cha) I will run this seperately to my singles record - like I say it'll be based on 1pt for F/C's per race and 1pt for T/C's per race. That's if no one objects obviously. Of course I won't be back-dating these figures (even though I backed-dated a LOSS for my singles thread). I know it's a bit bold to attempt to make casting pay, but I think it can be done - this may just be a little purple patch and there may be long losing runs, however I'm confident I can maintain this sort of S/R throughout the year - at least this won't be copied! :lol

[Trotter]

Re: Casting The Net Good luck Billy.........that's pretty ambitious. There again.......for at least a month I haven't been able to pick one horse to win a race never mind the second and third.......:wall

[RuleBritannia]

Re: Casting The Net Can only echo Trotter's post Billy. Seems pretty complex to me...... but all the best mate.

[Sheerluck Holmes]

Re: Casting The Net All the best mate, some nice figures there, long may it continue. :ok

[billy the punter]

Re: Casting The Net The T/C figures are about 70pts wrong, I just realised it. For some reason when working things out I made one bet 12 bets for four selections, it is 24. Dunno why, I know it's 24. Anyway I will amend tonight when I get a min. I knew something was up. Should be about 70/80pts profit. F/C figures are correct though. Anyway on with today's and the first lot. 3.30 Windsor Trans Siberian/Novikov/Twilight Star/Look So 0.08pts F/C Comb (12 bets = 1pt) 0.04pts T/C Comb (24 bets = 1pt)

[billy the punter]

Re: Casting The Net

The T/C figures are about 70pts wrong, I just realised it. For some reason when working things out I made one bet 12 bets for four selections, it is 24. Dunno why, I know it's 24. Anyway I will amend tonight when I get a min. I knew something was up. Should be about 70/80pts profit. F/C figures are correct though. Anyway on with today's and the first lot. 3.30 Windsor Trans Siberian/Novikov/Twilight Star/Look So 0.08pts F/C Comb (12 bets = 1pt) 0.04pts T/C Comb (24 bets = 1pt)

I've changed the name of this thread so it'll be a little easier to find. I understand it is going to be tough but I'm quietly confident. I actually think it may be easier than my other thread (a level stakes thread with the volume I do is very difficult without trading etc). Anyway onto this, pleased with the first result obviously. 1st Look So 11/1 2nd Trans Siberian 8/1 CSF paid £99.66 Ex paid £116.50 :nana I mentioned yesterday that the value lies in exactas and menat to say I will be placing exacta bets when possible. 70% had paid greater. To make this thread easier to follow, I'm calculating to £100 per point. Therefore today's bets were £8.25 F/C comb (12 bets) = £100, which = 1pt £4.10 T/C comb (24 bets) = £100, which = 1pt It's the same to how I described above, just easier to work things out this way. F/C Selections : 1 Winners : 1 S/R : 100% Staked : £100 Returned : £822.20 (CSF) Returned : £961.13 (Exactas) P/L : £722.20 (CSF) P/L : £861.13 (Exactas) T/C Selections : 1 Winners : 0 S/R : 0% Stakes £100 Returned : £0 P/L : -£100

[stewartd14]

Re: Casting The Net

I've changed the name of this thread so it'll be a little easier to find. I understand it is going to be tough but I'm quietly confident. I actually think it may be easier than my other thread (a level stakes thread with the volume I do is very difficult without trading etc). Anyway onto this, pleased with the first result obviously. 1st Look So 11/1 2nd Trans Siberian 8/1 CSF paid £99.66 Ex paid £116.50 :nana I mentioned yesterday that the value lies in exactas and menat to say I will be placing exacta bets when possible. 70% had paid greater. To make this thread easier to follow, I'm calculating to £100 per point. Therefore today's bets were £8.25 F/C comb (12 bets) = £100, which = 1pt £4.10 T/C comb (24 bets) = £100, which = 1pt It's the same to how I described above, just easier to work things out this way. F/C Selections : 1 Winners : 1 S/R : 100% Staked : £100 Returned : £822.20 (CSF) Returned : £961.13 (Exactas) P/L : £722.20 (CSF) P/L : £861.13 (Exactas) T/C Selections : 1 Winners : 0 S/R : 0% Stakes £100 Returned : £0 P/L : -£100

:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap :notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy Absolutely exceptional mate. Risky staking plan but 1st one pays for a few successive losses. Hope it works out for you. :ok

[billy the punter]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread) Thanks for the comments Stewart. :ok

[RussP]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread) Never saw this thread when asking about the exacta:lol Now I know the answer....love the ambition and I'm certain this will pay massive dividends for you. Good luck mate (although you don't need it):ok;)

[TheRat]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread) Good luck with it Billy

[billy the punter]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread) Cheers fellas. I may retire this thread now. Stop at a winner! :lol

[RussP]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread)

Cheers fellas. I may retire this thread now. Stop at a winner! :lol

Lazy git:lol

[alexmac]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread) Class mate, sheer class. Although I don't think I have never placed a tricast on a race before I might well be doing so in the near future. Well done on the great start!

[Pot rice]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread) Good luck with this. Brave but very interesting. So are you playing CSF or Exactas? (or both??)

[fintron]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread) good luck with this billy:ok. I often try my luck with forecasts and I definately think there is something in them so will be keeping a close eye on this thread. When there is an obvious winner at odds on then I think forecasts are the way forward, unless you are brave and put several short-priced ones into an accumulator.

[fintron]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread) can I just clarify something, is an exacta a bet that is placed through tote whereas a CSF is placed through a bookie (except the on course ones)? If so, am I right in thinking that the minimum bet for an exacta is £2 or £1 in the case of a reverse exacta. With the forecasts I presume the minmum bet depends on the bookmaker? I have been placing forecasts through Bet 365 you see and in some cases I have been able to do a minimum bet as low as 10p which is what I did for 6 selections for the National.

[billy the punter]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread)

Good luck with this. Brave but very interesting. So are you playing CSF or Exactas? (or both??)

I'm personally playing exactas. But will have two running totals, as exactas can only be placed in shops or with totesport (I believe). It'll be a good way to see which tactic is better too, over the months, if I get any more up that is!

[billy the punter]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread)

can I just clarify something, is an exacta a bet that is placed through tote whereas a CSF is placed through a bookie (except the on course ones)? If so, am I right in thinking that the minimum bet for an exacta is £2 or £1 in the case of a reverse exacta. With the forecasts I presume the minmum bet depends on the bookmaker? I have been placing forecasts through Bet 365 you see and in some cases I have been able to do a minimum bet as low as 10p which is what I did for 6 selections for the National.

CSF are just the normal F/C's in any bookie and I believe you can do them for 1p. Exactas are on course, with the tote, AND in bookies, you just have to fill out the correct slip. I don't know what the minimum stake is. I would think it is LESS than £1. The tactic you mention (F/C's with a odds on good thing) isn't a bad idea, I've done it myself in the past to try and squeeze a bit of extra value out of a horse too short too back (IMO). Although I'm trying to hit with the bigger priced selections, that's what I believe has always been under looked. In the past I'd treat these as a bonus, I feel that has been a mistake and I have been overlooking a way to increase profits. We'll see how it pans out I guess. Be lucky :ok

[kevsul]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread) For exacta's you can use Skybet and do a combination for 0.40p for 3 selection that would be £2.40:ok Just looking to see anywhere else for smaller stakes. I know you can do F/c and Tri/c with willhill from 0.01p Also a bit more checking with Skybet 2 selections looks like minimum stakes is £1 so rev =£2 str =£1 3 selections as above min 0.40p 4 selections it drops down to 0.20p Hope this helps for the guys that just want to try small stakes and win a few £££

[billy the punter]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread) Warwick 3.30 Harvest Warrior/Spoof Master £50 RFC Nottingham 5.20 Stalking Tiger/Willow Dancer/Trouble Mountain/Dream Of Fortune £8.25 F/C Comb (12 bets) £4.10 T/C Comb (24 bets)

[Pot rice]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread)

Warwick 3.30 Harvest Warrior/Spoof Master £50 RFC Nottingham 5.20 Stalking Tiger/Willow Dancer/Trouble Mountain/Dream Of Fortune £8.25 F/C Comb (12 bets) £4.10 T/C Comb (24 bets)

I take it you mean Highland Warrior/Spoof Master in the 3.30?

[WorkingForTheEnemy]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread) As a query, if playing the CSF, who are you placing them with?? Reason I ask is that when you have non runners some bookies void the forecast, some turn it into a win single. Also, are you playing the trifecta when possible or just the tricast?

[billy the punter]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread)

As a query, if playing the CSF, who are you placing them with?? Reason I ask is that when you have non runners some bookies void the forecast, some turn it into a win single. Also, are you playing the trifecta when possible or just the tricast?

I'm personally doing exactas, so non-runners mean a void bet. But I know Tote have the same rules for CSF's. I know what you mean though, Coral put you on the single. Not doing trifecta, just regular T/C's.

[billy the punter]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread)

Warwick 3.30 Harvest Warrior/Spoof Master £50 RFC Nottingham 5.20 Stalking Tiger/Willow Dancer/Trouble Mountain/Dream Of Fortune £8.25 F/C Comb (12 bets) £4.10 T/C Comb (24 bets)

Made a boo-boo with the names in the 3.30. I meant Highland Warrior, I hope that was understood. Bit gutted with that race. They were both in a three-way photo but finished 2nd/3rd beaten a head and a neck. Spoof Master had to switch and Highland Warrior missed the break, can't help but think it cost them both more than they were beat. 5.20 was a disappointment, a non-runner and the other three were well down the field. The loss was only 1/2pt on the F/C side due to the NR, but the T/C loses the full 1pt as NR T/C's are settled as F/C's. F/C Selections : 3 Winners : 1 S/R : 33% Staked : £250 Returned : £822.20 (CSF) Returned : £961.13 (Exactas) P/L : £572.20 (CSF) P/L : £711.13 (Exactas) T/C Selections : 2 Winners : 0 S/R : 0% Stakes £200 Returned : £0 P/L : -£200 NB - It's 1pt per race for each type of cast. The point is generic obviously, I assign £100 to a point for both F/C's and T/C's in order to make the thread read easier. It would be foolish to stake the same amount for both F/C's and T/C's. There will be longer losing runs on the T/C's obviously. I personally stake twice as much on the F/C bets.

[billy the punter]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread) 5.30 Newmarket Having to banker a portion of the runners otherwise no value; Striking Spirit/Crystany/Mookhlesa/Fol Hollow/Calmdownmate £4 F/C Comb (20 bets, £80 staked) Striking Spirit/Crystany/Mookhlesa/Fol Hollow £1.65 F/C Comb (12 bets, £20 staked) Totally £100 for F/C bets as per Striking Spirit/Crystany/Mookhlesa/Fol Hollow/Calmdownmate £1 T/C Comb (60 bets, £60 staked) Striking Spirit/Crystany/Mookhlesa/Fol Hollow £1.65 T/C Comb (24 bets, £40 staked) Totally £100 for T/C bets as per

[billy the punter]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread) Thought I was home here, 1st and 2nd on the far side would've been a bumper F/C. Finished close up 3rd and 4th.

[billy the punter]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread) 6.50 Wolver Wait For The Will/Shenandoah Girl/Truly Fruitful £16.50 F/C Comb (6 bets)

[bowles10]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread)

Thought I was home here' date=' 1st and 2nd on the far side would've been a bumper F/C. Finished close up 3rd and 4th.[/quote'] you had the same as me Billy, at the furlong pole i thought we were at least a length clear but the stands side caught up :spank

[RussP]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread)

6.50 Wolver Wait For The Will/Shenandoah Girl/Truly Fruitful £16.50 F/C Comb (6 bets)

Well done mate, pays £8.50 on the Exacta:clap

[billy the punter]

Re: Casting The Net (A BTP Specialisation Thread) 7.20 Wolver Not confident here but said I'd do this for EVERY race where I pick more than one runner. As a result, will have a F/C saver or two. Papa's Princess/Golden Brown £30 RFC Juzilla/Papa's Princess £5 RFC Juzilla/Golden Brown £5 RFC Shunkawakhan/Papa's Princess £5 RFC Shunkawakhan/Golden Brown £5 RFC Totals £100/1pt