Dodger Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 Forget the statistics, ignore the in depth analysis of the form, don't be swayed by the betting... This avatar is my son...SIMON. Enough said.:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 We've got abloke who comes into our shop and he does afew bet ie L15 etc but if a horse/dog runs with Oscar in his name he backs it regardless. Only cus his dog is called Oscar and they go out all day everyday. All the best with Simon :ok its a shame theres not a horse called "Pissed up Rovers fan" or id be all over it :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRat Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 its a shame theres not a horse called "Pissed up Rovers fan" or id be all over it :lol Or Little Ginger twat :lol Well, one day.................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexmac Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 I have added KELAMI onto my list of bets for The National - purely because I have backed him each time this season and I would be raging if I left him out here. At 40/1, he does seem a huge price, there are one or two questions as to whether he will stay, but I think he answered them at Kempton last time out when he was staying on very strongly only to get touched off by Gungadu (who was very well weighted that day). More questions arise over his breeding - he is French bred, but I tend to ignore factors like that. One of these days a French bred will win the National, why not this year? More positives include the fact that he is only going to be carrying 10'9, which definetly goes in his favour. I am hoping that he runs into the places, at a nice price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowles10 Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 Or Little Ginger twat :lol Well, one day.................... Carl isnt ginger;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aykay1 Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 I have added KELAMI onto my list of bets for The National - purely because I have backed him each time this season and I would be raging if I left him out here. At 40/1, he does seem a huge price, there are one or two questions as to whether he will stay, but I think he answered them at Kempton last time out when he was staying on very strongly only to get touched off by Gungadu (who was very well weighted that day). More questions arise over his breeding - he is French bred, but I tend to ignore factors like that. One of these days a French bred will win the National, why not this year? More positives include the fact that he is only going to be carrying 10'9, which definetly goes in his favour. I am hoping that he runs into the places, at a nice price. I agree about the French Bred stat - theres a few about at the moment who stay all day - Halcon Generlardais springs to mind. I considered Kelami as he is in great form at the moment but was put off as he has run twice in the National before abd hasnt completed either time. That was way too offputting for me. Good luck though :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manckevin Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 I think people will steam into Comply or Die now after Pipes/Murphy result today. GL :hope I can see Cloudy Lane/Comply Or Die going off as joints once people see a bit of sense. 5/1 (9/2 in places) for the National? You're 'avin a larf! I doubt I'll be saying that when it romps home by 13 lengths though :lol No-one fancy CONTRABAND then?! :rollin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboard Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 I'm delighted that Philson's Run got in, I've added him to my place betting. So for me it's Butler's Cabin win, L'ami & Philson's Run for a place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leics poshie Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 I can see Cloudy Lane/Comply Or Die going off as joints once people see a bit of sense. 5/1 (9/2 in places) for the National? You're 'avin a larf! I doubt I'll be saying that when it romps home by 13 lengths though :lol No-one fancy CONTRABAND then?! :rollin I agree 9/2 is a joke although 11/2 most places now. if i can get 7/1 i will play on him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernRed2 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 Hi Guys, don't live too far from aintree and just to let you know its been raining here for the past few hrs, not very heavy but constant. Don't know if this is of any help, if it is i can up date you in morning if its any help. NR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Knows Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 Alright Northern i was just about to let everyone same thing :lol Where abouts are ya from i'm in Knotty Ash... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowgli77 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 Backbeat 4.15 Aintree (Each Way) Clearly not the stables first string as Denis O'Regan is on Bewleys Berry. Wislon Renwick takes the ride on this mount today and has never ridden it before. The key to this horses chances are if it is ridden prominently, just tracking the leaders. Previous form when ridden like this includes: Jan 08 - Chased leaders (1st of 11) Oct 05 - With leaders (2nd of 10) Dec 04 - Tracked leader (1st of 8) Nov 04 - Chased leader (1st of 8) More recently when it has been held up it has finished 10th and 4th so I hope this is up with the front pack of horses. It is 11 year old but still quite lightly raced for its age as it has only had 17 races. Of the 10 chases it has contested it has won 3 of them and placed 2nd in 2 more. 5 races on good ground have produced 1 win and 2 seconds. It has won over 3m110yds and that was in January 2008. Only 4th last time out but that was over hurdles and that was 1st hurdle run for 5 years, clearly trying to get fitness spot on for todays big race. Has had a break now of 62 days and if it jumps ok it could make a mockery of the 100-1 price. Has a nice racing weight of 10-9 and seems to enjoy staying races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingertipster Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 GRAND NATIONAL ANALYSIS with my estimated percentage chance, price to beat and my “bookies price” Hedgehunter 4% 25/1 although 12 years old ran an encouraging race last time when second to Afistfullofdollars, has been trained especially for this and is fairly handicapped (on same mark as when 2nd in 06). Had an interrupted preparation last year. Equally effective on good or soft ground. 18/1 Hi Cloy 0.1% 1000/1 barely stays 3 miles let alone 4 ½. Does not seem to have the temperament he once had. Ran reasonably over hurdles recently but looks on the downgrade. 250/1 Knowhere 0.75% 132/1 was disappointing in the Gold Cup, not jumping well enough. Had earlier ran his best race against the non-stayer Our Vic. Should stay further than 3m2f but possibly not 4m4f. Acts on good and heavy but a sound surface will help stamina wise. Came down at the Canal Turn last year and his jumping could be a worry in such a big field. 50/1 Mr Pointment 5.75% 16/1 looked an ideal type for this until breaking a blood vessel last time. Paul Nicholls has been talking down his chances recently, saying he is poorly handicapped. However, is only 3lbs worse off with Bewleys Berry than when beating him by 1 length in the Becher. Arguably is the more likely to improve too with just 6 chase starts. Inexperience is outweighed by his jumping, exceptional in November. Stayed 3m2f well and a fair chance of staying the trip, by Old Vic (stamina influence) by a mare who was by an Ascot Gold Cup winner (Ardross). Though she herself has produced the 2m to 2m4f Ground Ball. A lot will depend on if the bleeding problem recurs. Apparently has always been prone to slight bleeding at home, never of much consequence though. 12/1 Turko 1.5% 66/1 has been a revelation since a breathing operation in the summer, improving 6 year old. Talked up in recent days by his trainer but there is a big doubt about staying the trip. Although by French stayer Turgeon, has taken a pull at 3 miles so will need to settle better. Jumps adequately and again will need a sound surface to aid suspect stamina. 33/1 Madison Du Berlais 0.25% 400/1has shown more stamina this season, staying on in to 4th in the Hennessay. Might stay a bit further but another 1 ¼ miles, doubtful. Been given time to recover from a rare poor run in the Leatherby And Christopher last time (January). 100/1 Simon 10% 9/1 ran an excellent National trial in the Racing Post Chase (won race in 2006 on heavy). Making up ground hand over fist in the closing stages, having been outpaced over an inadequate test of stamina (3m on good). Has raced as if will be suited by an extreme test and may improve considerably for it. Fell at Valentines second time around in last years National. Going well enough to suggest would have been involved in the finish. Made two mistakes when unsighted on reappearance and unseated (probably jockey error) at Cheltenham behind Knowhere. With Andrew Thornton injured has an able substitute jockey in Dominic Elsworth. Goes on good or heavy going but although is a sound enough leaper, being a small horse might not jump high enough out of a very soft surface. Fairly handicapped on current form and probably better to come over this trip. 7/1 Ardaghey's 0.1% 1000/1saddle slipped last time which could help him here (runs well fresh). Travelled well for a long way on his penultimate start (Racing Post Chase). Every chance turning for home but stopped as if shot. Often finds little under pressure but stays fairly well. Possibly the worst jumper in the field, hopefully he will not cause carnage. Just got in the weights, in my opinion should have been allowed to. 250/1 Iron Man 0.05% 2000/1 is out of form and struggles to stay 3 miles let alone 4 ½. Fallen both times over National fences. 500/1 Fundamentalist 0.25% 400/1 has improved his jumping of late but whether it will stand up to this test seems doubtful. Choice of stable jockey Paddy Brennen (over Knowhere) but is not certain to stay much beyond 3 miles (has raced free). With Cheltenham less than a month away it is a worry any horse running at both festivals will keep its form, and Fundamentalist ran twice at Cheltenham. 100/1 Butlers Cabin 2.25% 40/1 is the choice of AP McCoy and is a true stayer, won Irish National and National Hunt Chase last term. But nowhere near that form since, despite having cheek pieces reapplied last time. Has looked either amiss or temperamental, possibly remembering being distressed (needed oxygen after both wins). Best form on a sound surface, rain will negate his chance. 25/1 Slim Pickings 6.5% 15/1 was a good third last year. Was going best of all jumping the last and in my opinion only just stayed the trip. Has form over as little as 2m4f. If softer going this year may struggle to get home. Jumps better these days. Been kept hurdling to protect his handicap mark, could improve but needs to by a good deal if Cloudy Lane runs to form. Best chance of the Irish. 12/1 Chelsea Harbour 3.5% 28/1 is the other great Irish hope. Showed he does not need to lead when a good fourth, not knocked about, over an inadequate trip. Has some jumping frailties, has jumped violently left handed (which may help at the Canal Turn). Stays really well, his win in the 3 ½ mile chase on Feb 3 came just before the weights came out. The handicapper seems to have hit him hard. Capable of improvement but needs to. Possibly best on soft going. 20/1 Vodka Bleu 0.2% 500/1 was a revelation in blinkers earlier on in the season but has not run well in them the last twice. Very doubtful whether he will take to the fences and even bigger doubt on staying the trip. Probably best 2 ½ to 3 miles. Does act well on good ground. 125/1 L'Ami 4% 25/1 has been forgotten about, been dropped to an attractive looking mark. Ran his best race for some time last time when third in the William Hill at Cheltenham. Weakened in the latter stages in the National last year which suggests stamina limitations. However, that was when not in great form and had looked a possible stayer beforehand. Good jumper who acts on soft and good going. Is apparently the McManus third string but if coming back to his best of a couple of years ago. 18/1 Snowy Morning 3.25% 28/1 is very well handicapped on his third to The Listener. Beaten half a length by Turko yet is 9lbs better off here. Trainer thinks he had not recovered from that run when disappointing last time. Stays 3m2f well and runs as if might improve for the step up. Goes well on good and soft ground. Trouble is not since Maori Venture has a poorer jumper won the National. Usually belts at least one hard. 20/1 Bewleys Berry 10.5% 17/2ran a strange race last time. Usually a prominent runner, his jockey seemed at pains to drop him out. Still going well making good headway on the back straight. Then a slight mistake, eased and pulled up. Best to ignore that run. Has an excellent record over National fences. Still going supremely well when falling at Bechers second time around last year, would've been concerned in the finish without the mishap. Jumped really well up to that point as in the last two Becher chases. One length behind Mr Pointment in this seasons race, 3lbs better off now. Yet to race over further than 3m2f but was staying on and may even improve for an extreme test. 7/1 Contraband (NO PRICE) out of form, won't stay, won't jump, poor temperament. 2000/1 McKelvey 1.25% 80/1 second in the National last year, now 1lb worse off with Slim Pickjings (third) for 1 ¼ lengths. Finishing fastest of all that day, needs to be held up for a late run as can idle in front. Returned with a leg injury which kept him off course until recently. Shown nothing in two quick runs over hurdles and probably won't be able to show the same form this term. Usually held up and is best on a sound surface. 33/1 Joacci 0.125% 800/1 runs his best races these days when fresh and has not run since december. However, he runs a moody race more often than not, likes to have a view of the front. Stays well and equally effective on good or heavy. 200/1 Point Barrow 1.25% 80/1 was co-fav when coming down at the first last year. Lazy, blinkered nowadays and disappointed last time. It seems his fall last year effected him badly and may not take to the fences. Stays well and acts on soft and good ground. 40/1 D'Argent 4% 25/1 jumping has improved this season and because of that has come back to his best. Winner of the Tote Classic (3m5f on heavy), now just 1 lb worse off with Philson Run for a 7 length win. Acts well on a soft surface and races prominently.18/1 No Full 0.05% 2000/1 is a very doubtful stayer, never run to form at 3 miles so not one for me. 500/1 Bailey Breeze 0.125% 800/1has run poorly the last twice and runs most of his best races from the front. Should stay further than 3 miles but probably not 4 ½. Acts well on soft Unlikely to take to the fences. 200/1 Bob Hall 0.1% 1000/1 has been in poor form, pulled up in the William Hill at Cheltenham. Should stay further than 2 ½ miles but not 4 ½. Is not very big and may struggle. 250/1 Cloudy Lane 16.75% 5/1 has improved dramatically since the weights came out. Won at Ayr by 8 lengths and Doncaster by 7 lengths, easily each time. Will carry 20lbs more in future handicaps. He is the handicap good thing and is effective on good and heavy ground. The one possible weakness is the trip. Only times he tackled further than 3m2f were disappointing, either side of a win in Cheltenham's Kim Muir last season. In the Irish National he was beaten before stamina became an issue. Can be put down to either the firm surface or more likely going right handed (raced mainly left handed). Or possibly not recovered from Cheltenham and over the top for the season. The race prior to Cheltenham is harder to excuse. Over 3m 4f on soft in last years Red Square at Haydock, Cloudy Lane was second going to 2 out yet weakened quickly. Only a novice at that point, raced prominently, possibly too keen and did make mistakes. Is held up these days, settles and usually jumps better too. At Ayr, 3m2f on heavy this season, showed no signs of stamina limitations. I'd say he has a better chance of staying the trip than not, if it is not too testing. 9/2 King Johns Castle 1.5% 66/1 is fairly handicapped and could improve. Backed over the last few weeks, Tony McCoy was thinking of jumping ship from Butlers Cabin. Although he won quite easily over hurdles last time under hands and heels, never finds a great deal off the bridle. Stays 3 miles on heavy so will stay further, possibly best on softer ground. Has a poor win to run ratio and it is difficult to see a winner of this race on the bridle. 33/1 Mon Mome 2% 50/1 ran a strange race last time at Cheltenham, outpaced under pressure early, going nowhere out the back with his rider accepting the situation. Before staying on really well not asked for everything, finishing 6th. Would've been closer with a vigorous ride, but that all goes well for this race. Been placed in several extreme stamina tests, from a stable in form. If jumping well (can hit one) has a chance at a price. 28/1 Cornish Sett 0.125% 800/1 has looked a non stayer over extreme distances and not looked entirely genuine. However, comes from the Nicholls stable and has had a wind operation. Something that sometimes transforms the trainers horses. 200/1 Naunton Brook 0.2% 500/1 is a front running out and out stayer (needs to lead otherwise can chuck it in) though usually jumps well when at the head. Pulled up in this last year when out of form. Stable in better form this time around but best on softer ground. 125/1 Tumbling Dice 0.05% 2000/1 is a fair horse who likes to run prominently but unlikely to stay and ran poorly last time. One of the outsiders. 500/1 Backbeat 1.5% 66/1 would be one to consider if they went from finish to start (best right handed). Won a fair Sandown handicap on his last chase start. A veteran but lightly raced and still capable. Another prominent runner. 40/1 Comply Or Die 10.5% 17/2 should start second favourite for this if it is genuinely on the soft side. Stays extremely well, could be a question if he has enough pace. Got the impression in the Eider Timmy Murphy did not want to be crowded. Likes to race prominently, taken well to blinkers and finds plenty for pressure. Showed signs of a return to form when second to Cloudy Lane in the Tommy Wittle. Beaten 2 ½ lengths and now 2 lbs better off. Subsequent Kim Muir winner High Chimes ½ length back in third. Both Comply Or Die and Cloudy Lane have improved considerably since. At Newcastle, 4m1f on a soft surface did not win a great Eider, nothing franked the form since. Did win it well by 8 lengths. Is very well handicapped on that form and is even better off if able to produce his very best. Fourth off a mark of 146 to Trabolgan (151), beaten 5 ¾ lengths in the 2005 Hennessy. Runs from a mark of here. 7/1 Idle Talk 0.2% 500/1 was second in a Sun Alliance way back and looked a sound jumping stayer at one point. But has not looked the same horse (including jumping) since being sold last year. Well beaten 5th in the Kim Muir last time. Like the last four horses likes to be up with the pace. 125/1 Kelami 2.25% 40/1 back to form last time. Beaten ¾ length after a mistake at the last in the Racing Post Chase, receiving 13lbs from Gungadu. Not the best of jumpers these days. Acts well on good or good-soft. 25/1 Milan Deux Mille 0.05% 2000/1 wore a severe bit last time, can pull (at 2 ½ miles) and has no chance of staying the trip. 500/1 Nadover (NO PRICE) is a 2 ½ to 3 miles horse, Chepstow specialist but is well out of form at present. Should be with Contraband as a rank outsider (and I do mean rank). 750/1 Black Apelachi 1.25% 80/1 disappointed last time but went without blinkers then. Ran well penultimate start in first time blinkers. Been racing at 3 miles recently and could improve over this extreme test if taking to the fences. Possibly better on softer ground. 40/1 Philson Run 2.75% 33/1 thought a soft ground plodder before his fourth in this last year. Made mistakes in the latter stages on reappearance (second to D'Argent). Then made errors before being brought down in the Red Square. Not the best preparation but can still run well if jumping like he did last term. Likely to find better handicapped horses. Held up for a late run. 22/1 Dun Doire 1% 100/1 well backed recently, but every Tony Martin handicapper is well backed these days. Punters know his reputation of pulling the wool over the handicappers eyes. Does not look capable on form. Unless going back a couple of years. Jumped poorly last time when second in a 3 ¼ mile chase and ran poorly in the National in the past. His hold up / dropped out style is also a negative. Does stay well but looks far too short in the market. 50/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernRed2 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 Hi Jonesy, im a bit further up the road in Golborne, just next to haydock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcosgrove Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 Kelami 1pt win 85(Betfair) Although this horse has not won for a long time it fits a lot of the trends for the Grand National and has also had a spin over hurdles this season which I think is sometimes a key indicator that they are protecting the mark. I was impressed with his run in the racing post and believe he is on a decent mark and ready to run a massive race.:hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodyTHFC Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 Confirmation, this are my three. 4.15 Already advised and for once they are good ones, Comply Or Die @ 150/1 5 pts and 20/1 to place 5 pts, Simon @ 18/1 12 pts e.w and Bewleys Berry @ 16/1 12 pts e.w bog 5 places. Comply or Die I anticipated was well in on its old, RSAC and Hennessy form, good GN clues in the past and has bounced back to form now since the blinkers have worked and they have twice so thats important imo when second to Cloudy Lane, gets weight pull now and after really good well in Eider when winning off top weight proving immense stamina it has, 11 pounds well in oficially ok its not 20 (formlines indicate it could be) it has a huge e.w chance at the very least. Simon was running so well in this last year, cruising before a late fall, that was after a progressive campaign characterised by softer ground, however the GN last year showed good ground is no problem, it ran on really well at Chelt. early this season and LTO at Kem. when it shaped a real stayer, it has a fair bit of weight but it could still be not badly handicapped, as I said earlier, I think it would have beaten Our Vic like Knowhere did at Chelt by outstaying it if it had not fallen when going well, it would have been top weight then. Bewleys Berry with Simon are the two from last year to take out of it, Bewleys Berry a bold prominent racer was going well last year before in West Tip style fell at Beechers second time round, he ran well again in Beechers, Mr Pointment who beat it then now has questions to answer after lto, it loves the fences and can give a real good run for your money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aykay1 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 Grand National Bets: Parsons Legacy 32.0 >betfair Parsons Legacy 33/1 ew VC Bet Mon Mome backed at 150.0, 160.0 and 170.0 >betfair Mon Mome - laid at 42.0 for free bet Rambling Minster 85.0 >betfair - NON/RUNNER Beef or Salmon @ 160.0 >betfair - NON/RUNNER Those are my antepost bets for this. Mon Mome is clearly a big winner for me but the others dont run. I think Mon Mome could run into a place but will be surprised if he wins. My bets to win the race are as per my post a couple of pages back: Just had a scan through the card and as far as I can make out, the only horse that doesn’t fail on any trends is Slim Pickings. There’s a few who go close though and I’ve narrowed it down to the following: Simon Slim Pickings D’Argent Mon Mome Patsy Hall Comply or Die SIMON – The only concern with this one is the weight he has to carry – he’s been given 11 stone 7lb’s and that a lot to win with. However, that is the only trend he fails and he otherwise has a lot going for him. He was running like a dream last year when falling 6 out and whilst it’s impossible to say he would have won the race, I’m sure he would have been placed if completing the course. There’s a nagging doubt that last year was his big chance but he looks in just as good form this time round and should run well. There is usually one horse carrying a large weight that runs into a place and I’m sure Simon will go close if completing. SLIM PICKINGS – Last years 3rd, beaten only 2 lengths he has been specifically trained for this race all year and unlike Simon, he has got in with a reasonable weight of 11 stone 3lb’s, which in the current compressed handicap, isn’t an unsurmountable burden. He looked like the winner when reaching the run-in last year but tired a little. Another year on, he should have matured and hopefully developed some additional stamina as horses tend to when they get older. From what I can tell, he meets all the trends but please feel free to correct me if you spot something that I have missed. Woody, good luck with Comply or Die, excellent price - if mine dont romp home I hope he comes in for you - alternatively i'd like to see McKelvey make up for last years bad luck. Enjoy :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowles10 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 4.15 Grand National I have already reviewed the key trends on my trends thread. I think Cornish Sett is overpriced at 100/1 & could easily be worthy of a place (1st 5 with Paddy Power @ 100/1). Looking back at its form: On 2 renowned flat tracks Newbury & Kempton: 4 runs - 2 wins - 2 2nds. Was 2nd to Simon in last years Racing Post Chase beaten 10L on soft ground(likes it quicker) giving the winner 2lb. Meets that rival on 13lb better terms in this race & Simon is 3rd fav @ 12/1! Was 2nd fav for last years Betfred Gold cup at Sandown when finishing down in 6th place. I am only looking for 1 or 2 pices of form to pick from & there is enough here for me to place a bet on this horse. Stamina like many others is a factor & also jumping stats show the horse has only fallen once in 23 hurdles/chases. Slim Pickings 3rd place last year puts it in with a great shout of another place in this race. Quote from the RP after its last race: On his first run over fences since last year’s Grand National, Slim Pickings ran a perfectly respectable race. Racing in mid-division, he maintained his position and kept on well enough at the one pace without ever being able to challenge. Chelsea Harbour was 3L in front on that day but with an 8lb pull, I expect Slim Pickings to finish ahead of that rival. Has fallen twice in 23 hurdles/chases so again has a decent chance of a clear round. At 12/1, that is in my final 3. Joacci is another 100/1 chance that could run a big race. Martin Pipe thought he had a really decent horse here when it won 3 of its 1st 5 chases & looked to be a real stamina horse. This to me is one of those forgotten horses over the last 3 years. Had to go back to hurdles after a couple of poor chase runs & was able to run in novice events winning 2 on the bounce before running in 2 G2 events behind Chief Dan George & Wichita Lineman. The jockey Farrelly rode it last May at uttoxter & finished a decent 2nd in front of decent stayers It Takes time & Puntal amongst others. Has fallen twice in 19 races & probably would prefer slowish ground. 100/1 is on offer with Ladbrokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretmachines Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 i've plumped for: Chelsea Harbour Comply or Die D'Argent (EW outsider) Naunton Brook (EW outside) i've had to have an EW on Cloudy Lane at 6/1 this morning... a bet to nothing in many ways, but would like to be able to say i was part of the big bookies payout! good luck everyone, it'll be a great day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassius Marcellus Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 Back To Lay I have backed these three for small stakes as they are generally sound jumpers, and good prices. As the others fall, refuse or unseat riders, I expect this trio to still be standing. Even though they may not win, if half the field go like they did in The Topham, their prices must drop and I will be able to trade out for a profit. Mr Pointment @ 38 Black Apalachi @ 100 Madison Du Berlais @ 100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betfair Kid Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 My 3 are Comply or Die @ 80/1 (Placed just before it won Tote Eider on Betfair) BackBeat @ 190/1 Speculative Punt Kelami @ 90/1 Backed before it ran well behind Gungadu I fancy Hedgehunter on the day, although i have backed the other 3 without course form i do think it is necessary and Hedgehunter will complete and stay. Good Luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fintron Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 I'm keeping faith with my original 6. Naunton Brook - 400/1 (win) and 70/1 (place) Point Barrow 25/1 EW Dun Doire 33/1 EW Comply or Die 10/1 WIN Chelsea Harbour 14/1 WIN and Cloudy Lane 11/2 WIN as my saver Felt a bit optimistic this morning so done SF on all six for a 10p stake, £3.00 bet in total!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexmac Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 Ended up with: Cloudy Lane 12/1 E/W Kelami 40/1 E/W Bewleys berry 14/1 E/W Slim Pickings 20/1 E/W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 Sided with: Snowy Morning 18/1 Comply or Die 9/1 Think both will run well off nice weights. g/l everyone. The Topham was a messy race yesterday so lets hope most get around safely. Also a best of luck has to go to Tony Dobbin who retires at the end of this week. :hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileni4uk Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 Sided with: Cloudy Morning 18/1 Where is this 18/1 price for Cloudy Lane and Snowy Morning together? :rollin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussP Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 C'mon Stewart, you should know the rules of dutching by now?:lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 Where is this 18/1 price for Cloudy Lane and Snowy Morning together? :rollin C'mon Stewart' date=' you should know the rules of dutching by now?:lol[/quote'] :moon:moon You should also know me well enough by now to gather I wouldnt back something at 8/1 for the National :tongue2:tongue2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 Sided with: Snowy Morning 18/1 Comply or Die 9/1 Think both will run well off nice weights. g/l everyone. The Topham was a messy race yesterday so lets hope most get around safely. Also a best of luck has to go to Tony Dobbin who retires at the end of this week. :hope In all honesty though, really like this Snowy Morning. Ran a brilliant race in the Irish Hennessey and his next run probably came too quickly hence the defeat. He was ridiculously short after the Hennessey run and I think he has drifted to too big of a price of the back of just 1 poor run. Willie Mullins knows how to win a National and I am really keen on this horses chances. Backed it at VC too so if its jumping doesnt hold up, not all is lost. :hope:hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daftpegasus Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 I've gone for Slim Pickings My son (8yo)picked the favourite (as always) Cloudy Lane My daughter (3yo) picked Simon because purple is her favourite colour My wife picked L'Ami because she puked in the car this morning (hangover) and a little bit of sick landed on the L'Ami in the form guide:puke It's the one race of the year when you can go stupid on your selections (although saying that 2 of these were free bets:D) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo74 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Grand National 2008 Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. Apache/1.3.41 Server at www.paddypower.com Port 80 :okThat's why i love Paddy Power... 14 min before the race starts :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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