gavham Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Re: The Mole An example of betting the right amount, how much would you bet? ***** Hand 853736308 ***** 25.00/50.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 05 December 2007 01:20:10 Table TH 232 (Real /Cash Game ) Seat 1: Mr.chill. (8838.00) Seat 2: the_mole (9164.50) Seat 3: MANOUEL (3419.00) Seat 4: Celakovika (4950.00) Seat 5: smörrebröd (5250.00) Celakovika post SB 25.00 smörrebröd post BB 50.00 ** Deal ** Mr.chill. [N/A, N/A] the_mole [As, 3s] MANOUEL [N/A, N/A] Celakovika [N/A, N/A] smörrebröd [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** Mr.chill. Fold the_mole Call 50.00 MANOUEL Call 50.00 Celakovika Call 50.00 smörrebröd Check *** Flop(Board): *** : [Jh, 2d, 5s] *** Bet Round 2 *** Celakovika Check smörrebröd Check the_mole Check MANOUEL Check *** Turn(Board): *** : [Jh, 2d, 5s, 4s] *** Bet Round 3 *** Celakovika Check smörrebröd Check the_mole Bet 150.00 MANOUEL Call 150.00 Celakovika Fold smörrebröd Fold *** River(Board): *** : [Jh, 2d, 5s, 4s, 2s] *** Bet Round 4 *** the_mole Bet 300.00 MANOUEL Raise to 600.00 I will put what happened in at 5 oclock, i am interested in what you would do? try not to think of the point i have been making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Re: The Mole I'd bet his whole stack, to make it look like a big steal. If he has a boat he's definitely gonna call thus you gain the max! Quite often I'll make big bets on the river when I have the nuts depends on the opponent and the situation of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavham Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Re: The Mole Ok here is how i saw it. he had 1 of 3 hands- a bluff, a set or a flush. if he is on a bluff it doesnt matter what i bet. if its a set he would call a 1k bet and a half chance at the all in ( too many dangers, but you never know). if he has the flush he will call the all in, unlikley he will put it down. He couldnt have quads, straight, or full house because he would have def raised the turn. My point to this is many people would bet 1k and get paid but they are missing a great opportunity the_mole All-in 8964.50 MANOUEL All-in 3219.00 *** Showdown *** : Rake: 3.00 Total Pot: 6935.00 Mr.chill. Fold Win: 0.00 the_mole [As, 3s] Straight flush Win: 6935.00 MANOUEL Fold Win: 0.00 Celakovika Fold Win: 0.00 smörrebröd Fold Win: 0.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Re: The Mole Did you go all-in instantly after his raise or did you delay it a bit first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavham Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Re: The Mole Instantly also makes me look as if i'm trying to power him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Quiet Man Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Re: The Mole My point to this is many people would bet 1k and get paid but they are missing a great opportunity the_mole All-in 8964.50 MANOUEL All-in 3219.00 *** Showdown *** : Rake: 3.00 Total Pot: 6935.00 Mr.chill. Fold Win: 0.00 the_mole [As, 3s] Straight flush Win: 6935.00 MANOUEL Fold Win: 0.00 Celakovika Fold Win: 0.00 smörrebröd Fold Win: 0.00 Hi Mole, That's very true in my case - I try to entice more money out of them thinking they'd fold if I raise too high!:unsure Two years ago I'd have gone all in and got paid - now I probably think too much about whats going on! :cry Nice thread and good to see you're still doing well! :ok Hopefully our paths will cross again for another beer (or two) :beer:beer:beer (still remember that deal with the lighter to the bloke with the hat!):lol Just the one question from me - are you still on paid sick leave? :lol:lol TQM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavham Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Re: The Mole Hi Mole, That's very true in my case - I try to entice more money out of them thinking they'd fold if I raise too high!:unsure Two years ago I'd have gone all in and got paid - now I probably think too much about whats going on! :cry Nice thread and good to see you're still doing well! :ok Hopefully our paths will cross again for another beer (or two) :beer:beer:beer (still remember that deal with the lighter to the bloke with the hat!):lol Just the one question from me - are you still on paid sick leave? :lol:lol TQM Yeah i am sure we will meet up again, was a really good weekend Lol to the sick leave, the" impending doom" was lifted a long time ago, fully fledged poker pro now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Re: The Mole nice bet, I'd have raised to 1800 and lost money. what did he have btw ? surpirsed to see only $3 rake on a 7k pot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavham Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Re: The Mole nice bet, I'd have raised to 1800 and lost money. what did he have btw ? surpirsed to see only $3 rake on a 7k pot I don't know what he had ( auto muck). $3 is the most rake taken from any hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voiceofjoe Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 Re: The Mole I always used to play 10 man tables until I started reading Moles thread, and TBH was doing OK multi tabling 3/4. But since I've read this thread I've begun 6 Seaters and apart from having a good run, I'm finding it less of a grind, and less of the cards you play and more of the people. Following on from that I would appreciate thoughts (from Mole, or anyone else) if I played these wrong and got lucky or played them correctly and got my just reward. I haven't looked up to see if I was doing the correct thing statistically - but on both occassions 'felt' it was the correct thing to do The first fellow had a tendency to overbet the pot quite a lot and had previously been all-in on a T96 flop holding 22 and hit the set on the Turn NL $0.10/$0.20 Texas Hold'em - Saturday, December 08, 22:50:19 GMT 2007 Table Sodium 20 6-max (Real Money) Seat 1: Hansen38 ( $33.98 ) Button: pokerben ( $19.47 ) SB: kahapa ( $21.32 ) BB: eltorero ( $2.80 ) Seat 5: kao ( $32.79 ) Seat 6: Fm2005 ( $12.43 ) kahapa posts small blind [$0.10] eltorero posts big blind [$0.20] Preflop: Fm2005 is dealt Q♠, K♠ kao calls $0.20, Fm2005 raises to $0.90, Hansen38 folds, pokerben folds, kahapa calls $0.80, eltorero folds, kao raises to $4.20, Fm2005 calls $3.30, kahapa folds Flop: 5♥, T♥, J♣ 1 checks, Fm2005 bets all in $8.23, kao calls $8.23 **Showdown** kao shows 5♠, J♠ Fm2005 shows Q♠, K♠ Turn: 6♣ River: 9♣ Fm2005 wins $24.67 from main pot with a straight, King to Nine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voiceofjoe Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 Re: The Mole Second One - I had a feeling dj jboe had AA, as he played the prflop and flop very 'quickly' but thought if I could get Lasse00 in the pot as well I would show a profit overall NL $0.10/$0.20 Texas Hold'em - Saturday, December 08, 23:39:08 GMT 2007 Table Sodium 10 6-max (Real Money) Seat 1: Fm2005 ( $30.48 ) Seat 2: 4aries ( $15.85 ) Button: Rinjo ( $19.40 ) SB: dj jobe ( $9.57 ) BB: Lasse00 ( $27.98 ) Seat 6: SupraPower ( $47.11 ) dj jobe posts small blind [$0.10] Lasse00 posts big blind [$0.20] Preflop: Fm2005 is dealt K♣, K♥ SupraPower folds, Fm2005 raises to $0.70, 4aries folds, Rinjo folds, dj jobe raises to $1.20, Lasse00 calls $1, Fm2005 raises to $4.80, dj jobe calls $3.60, Lasse00 calls $3.60 Flop: 4♥, 8♥, 8♦ dj jobe bets all in $4.77, Lasse00 calls $4.77, Fm2005 raises all in $25.68, Lasse00 calls all in $18.41, Returning uncalled bet $2.50 to Fm2005 **Showdown** Fm2005 shows K♣, K♥ dj jobe shows A♥, J♥ Lasse00 shows J♠, J♦ Turn: 3♥ River: K♦ Fm2005 wins $36.82 from side pot #1 with full house, Kings full of Eights Fm2005 wins $25.71 from main pot with full house, Kings full of Eights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voiceofjoe Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 Re: The Mole BTW if anyone uses Betfair for playing I would recommend downloading the Poker Buddy. Its good for reviewing your sessions, shows opponents mucked River cards - and they are due to add more features. I presume its going to become akin to a watered down Poker Tracker for Betfair hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gazza271 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Re: The Mole Steph, Watched you for a couple of hours last night on the 25/50 table, are the endless questions from onlookers a pain in the ar$e and a distraction or just something to put up with at that level ? Was certainly an eye opener watching :loon:lol:lol:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavham Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Re: The Mole Nah i don't mind it at all. had a very good nightshift, was one of my best in a while. played very loose and aggressive early then tightened it up and took quite a bit of cash!I ENJOY THE BANTER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Re: The Mole Just saw this hand, all in preflop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuby1982 Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Re: The Mole not bad work if you can get it! does not bare thinking about, but we all live in hope one day we will be playin these stakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavham Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Re: The Mole This looks pretty standard, i am sure you see this at all levels. i have had a few days off as it was my birthday a big one at that. the wife has orginized a bash for tonight ( wasnt too pleased as i was meant to be in prague) said i would do a video link but that didnt go down well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Re: The Mole lmao @ steph wheres the invites then? i havent been to the new castle you have bought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gazza271 Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Re: The Mole This looks pretty standard' date=' i am sure you see this at all levels. i have had a few days off [b']as it was my birthday a big one at that. the wife has orginized a bash for tonight ( wasnt too pleased as i was meant to be in prague) said i would do a video link but that didnt go down well. ah, that will be your 21st you were telling them about at the tables the other night :lol:lol:lol:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavham Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Re: The Mole lmao @ steph wheres the invites then? i havent been to the new castle you have bought! I am afraid it was all sorted out without me knowing, or i would have been only too happy to have you here its not in the castle as she has invited about 400 people, christ i'm dreading it. and yeah 21st (+) hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavham Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Re: The Mole First time i have seen this. ***** Hand 870487558 ***** 25.00/50.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 17 December 2007 15:34:18 Table TH 520 (Real /Cash Game ) Seat 1: Celakovika (4975.00) Seat 2: Cmenomore (5757.00) Seat 3: the_mole (9840.50) Seat 4: Dimerera (19881.55) Seat 5: _PLZbustME (11100.00) the_mole post SB 25.00 Dimerera post BB 50.00 ** Deal ** Celakovika [N/A, N/A] Cmenomore [N/A, N/A] the_mole [Jc, Kc] Dimerera [N/A, N/A] _PLZbustME [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** _PLZbustME Fold Celakovika Raise to 200.00 Cmenomore Fold the_mole Call 200.00 Dimerera Call 200.00 *** Flop(Board): *** : [10s, Qc, 9s] *** Bet Round 2 *** the_mole Check Dimerera Bet 400.00 Celakovika Raise to 1450.00 the_mole Raise to 3400.00 Dimerera All-in 19681.55 Celakovika All-in 4775.00 the_mole All-in 9640.50 *** Turn(Board): *** : [10s, Qc, 9s, 9d] *** River(Board): *** : [10s, Qc, 9s, 9d, Ah] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 3.00 Total Pot: 24653.00 Celakovika [Kd, Js] Ace high straight Win: 4975.00 Cmenomore Fold Win: 0.00 the_mole [Jc, Kc] Ace high straight Win: 9839.00 Dimerera [Ks, Jd] Ace high straight Win: 9839.00 _PLZbustME Fold Win: 0.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Re: The Mole Wonde how they worked out the rake split? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavham Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Re: The Mole In cash games they dont turn your cards when all in ( why??) so when i seen the 9 on the turn i thought i was dead. Thought 1 of them had set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dico Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Re: The Mole In cash games they dont turn your cards when all in I've always wondered that:sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavham Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Re: The Mole In cash games they dont turn your cards when all in ( why??) so when i seen the 9 on the turn i thought i was dead. Thought 1 of them had set. Does anyone know the reason for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Re: The Mole I dont know the answer - this is all it says on wikipedia Opening all-in hands When all players are all in, or one player is playing only against opponents who are all in, no more betting can take place. Some casinos and many major tournaments require that all players still involved open, or immediately reveal, their hole cards in this case—the dealer will not continue dealing until all hands are flipped up. Likewise, any other cards that would normally be dealt face down, such as the final card in seven-card stud, may be dealt face-up. This rule discourages a form of collusion called "chip dumping", in which one player deliberately loses his chips to another to give that player a greater chance of winning the tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gazza271 Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Re: The Mole Steph, had a couple of good sessions tonight and won a few $$$$$ so decided to sit down at the $2/$4 table. Felt totally intimidated TBH due to the amounts being bet :lol:$:\. Did you ever feel like that or rock straight in ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Re: The Mole Steph, What's the lowest level you haven't been able to beat? Bit of a strange question, so I'll explain where I'm coming from..... There seems a perception amongst a lot of PL'rs that if players are too bad, then you cannot beat them - whereas I tend to think that they make bigger mistakes and so you should be beating them even easier - have you ever played the lowest level? (5c/10c) and can you beat it well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazabroad Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Re: The Mole Hi Steph, thanks for the answers so far. Just a quick one from me. I see You meet familiar faces at certain levels/tables. Do You use the notes facility online to keep a record on how certain people play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavham Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Re: The Mole Hi Steph, thanks for the answers so far. Just a quick one from me. I see You meet familiar faces at certain levels/tables. Do You use the notes facility online to keep a record on how certain people play? No i don't, the only poker tracker/notes i have are all in ma big heid. Also most good players change their play a lot so you have to see how they are playing at that time. But you do learn the basics of everyones game and give certain players bets more respect than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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