UK & Ireland Racing - Who are we?

[Cassius Marcellus]

Re: ATR - Who are we? I've had my disasters, but manage to just stay in front Me and my fcuking big gob!! Layed 7 today, 5 of the bastards won. :sad

[peteg40]

Re: ATR - Who are we?

I've had my disasters' date= but manage to just stay in front Me and my fcuking big gob!! Layed 7 today, 5 of the bastards won. :sad

You said it mate :lol:lol:ok

[peteg40]

Re: ATR - Who are we? Hi,:loon My name whould you believe is Pete.... Live in the West Midlands just outside worcester..... married two children both boys eldest is 20....youngest 10:loon....... Support the mighty Arsenal :okused to go a lot when i was free and single in the days of the great Liam Brady:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy....don't get to many games now as i referee most saturdays and can't get tickets for home games:$:$.... but with a few local teams in the prem can get tickets for those games:ok... My first bet was when i was at college aged app 18... Willie Carson Hatrick went into the smoke filled shop with £5.00 came out with £70.00 thought this is easy money:sadbut time told me no it wasn't:eyes:eyes... Since i have been on PL have bet more wiseley and am starting to show a bit of profit:dude:dude.... Some great tipsters on here IMO.... Did meet up with a few of the members on here at a PL race meeting at Worcester about 3 years ago..... What a Day..... Will have to try to get on one this year but it's hard to get time off work and to get away from the other half for a couple of days:wall:wall........ Well that's about it chaps:D not very interesting but thats me:lol:lol

[TheRat]

Re: ATR - Who are we? Don't think I knew you were from near Worcester Where abouts Pete?

[peteg40]

Re: ATR - Who are we?

Don't think I knew you were from near Worcester Where abouts Pete?

Malvern mate :ok

[TheRat]

Re: ATR - Who are we? Lovely. I live fairly near the centre, well, a villiage called Hallow Well, actually I live in Madrid now! But unfortunatly back home for a few more days still

[Gingertipster]

Re: ATR - Who are we? Gingertipster, The Early Years. The name is Mark, 41, and single. Joined PL only in July this year. When I was knee high to a pony I wanted to be a jockey. Started lessons when about 6 years old. Got carted a couple of times and fell off. Then they put me on a thoroughbred, too high up for me so I stopped. Always watched racing on TV, it was not the gambling that got me interested, just loved the sport. In 76 (I think) the family had a sweep stake on the National. I plumped for Red Rum, he finished 2^nd but picked up the winnings anyway for beating the other five selected horses home. Ten minutes later, we saw the result on screen. First number 6 (or was it 16). My Nan had picked her horse by its number and did not know its name, you guessed it Number 6 Rag Trade. So with the winnings in my hands I had to give it all back. The next year Red Rum (and I) won. Looking back I can see my mother tried to put me off betting. She gave me an exercise book to write down every bet I would have made (if old enough). Much to my mothers disgust, by some miracle I made a profit. And a gambler was made. At 18 I opened an account with a local bookie and lost £200 within a few months. Thought I knew it all in those days, now of course I Know I know it all. Well almost, you are always learning at this game. Then came the 1985 classics, had an ante-post bet on Oh So Sharp for the 1000 Guineas, won by a short head and short head, just getting up. And £25 each way on Slip Anchor at 16/1 for the Derby, easy 12 length winner. That year I put more in to my building society account than I earned in wages. Bought my first Timeform book and never looked back. Often found over the years I was pretty good at predicting favourites months in advance (not the winner just the favourite) so ante post bets were / are a good source of income. Mr Frisk 33/1, Bobbyjoe 25/1, West Tip 20/1, Dawn Run 5/1, Desert Orchid 5/1, Looks Like Trouble 33/1, Kicking King 12/1 and many many more, that is not to mention the flat. Best ever result was in 2003. Had watched the 2002 Greatwood Hurdle when Rooster Booster won well under top weight from a good quality field. Thought, that horse must be about a 20% (4/1) chance for the Champion Hurdle. Most offers were around 7/1 or 8/1, one had 10/1, but Stan James offered 12/1. A bet with a capital B. Put my usual amount on, thought bets like this don't come along very often, so backed it again to win 4 figures (just). Then, a few days later my Timeform arrived and described the performance as “good enough to win 3 of the last 4 Champion Hurdles”. By this time it was top priced 8/1 but had to go in yet again and doubled my stake. Lucky its temperament held for the rest of the season. Rarely shout a horse home but did that day. Joined the West Berkshire Racing Club about four or five years ago (not an owners group). We go on visits to stables, studs and have evening talks by racing personalities held at Newbury racecourse. I can thoroughly recommend this and any other similar racing clubs to anyone interested in the non-betting side of racing. WBRC membership costs £12 plus £5 a visit. Went to Paul Nicholls, Marcus Treggonnig, Alan King, Emma Lavelle, Shadwell and Gainsborough Studs to name just a few. With visits to Nicky Henderson and Henrietta Knight already lined up for January. Am also in a team which takes on a host of racing celebrities, including teams from the Racing Post, Raceform, Wetherbys, Trainers, Jockeys etc. in an annual quiz (on 22^nd Jan), great fun night. Member at Goodwood and a tattersalls member at Newbury besides being a regular at Salisbury, Wincanton and Fontwell. Infrequant journeys to Ascot, Sandown and Bath. Unfortunately the furthest I venture north is Cheltenham. Two days that changed my life. In the early 90's, at Wincanton I got talking to a chap about how we bet. I said I look at the Timeform race card and find horses with the best chances of winning. Then back the one I think is value. He told me why by beating the starting price punters are not necessarily getting value. He explained about true odds. I vowed to find out more and it changed the way I backed horses completely. From then on have tried to make a 100% book. Or, at least by knowing the “table of odds and chances” off by heart can find true value. The 100% tissue is only an opinion but, over time, if a punter makes a profit he can say he gets true value (most of the time). That bloke at Wincanton I now know as professional gambler Alan Potts, we still have chats, putting the world of racing to rights. About four years ago I was diagnosed diabetic and no longer had the energy for the hours of manual work I once did. This hastened my decision to go (very) part time and concentrate on trying to make enough to live on by “investing” in racehorses. Had it planned twenty years ago, saved up, done the sensible things like keeping outgoings to an absolute minimum. Don't even have a mortgage to worry about, or a wife come to that. Think they are put off by my “gambling”, either that or they're ginger phobic! (Any women on the PL? For applications, apply within). In truth, although making make a profit I do not put enough on, or make enough to call myself a professional gambler; yet. Wanted to prove it was possible before going in for the kill. I remember Alan once told me many punters make money to small stakes, but when they put larger sums on it effects the way they look at races. Not getting value anymore, so not making a profit. May be I will be one of those, but it will be fun finding out. Thats about it, got a bit carried away. If you want to know how I bet then find a thread I started called “How to produce a 100% book” or take a look at Gingers Jumpers. Ginge

[puntyboy]

Re: ATR - Who are we? Well, im paul from ireland and im 25. been gambling now since my first bet was sinndar in the derby bout 7 years ago. The whole expierience has been about learning lessons for me. I remember i used to get my pocket money in school/college on a sunday, be broke on monday and swear id never do it again. Used to back every race i could but got so fed up with it just gave up for about a year and came back to it about 3 years ago. Now bet bigger stakes on fewer bets but im still pretty indisciplined and im trying to improve that area of my gambling and have learnt a lot since i came across PL. Another problem of mine is i cant accept anyone putting up a horse for me, i always want to find the winner myself and thats something thats gotta change. I understand now that theres guys like you doing this professionally/ or putting a lot more effort into what your doing. My main methods of picking horses have came from a book i read on 'instant handicapping' and although it has had some great pay days id still be well down in the long run. Its pretty basic and it always seems like it revolves around horses at the head of the market. Some of my recent good moments is filling a 5 euro yankee last summer and pocketing a cool 2700. And last year i done a accum in the soccer and newcastle got beat by bolton but PPower made some cock up in the system and when i checked my account I was amazed to see another 2000. (which i hastily withdrew and they llet me keep outta goodwill! I alwaysseem to do well at major meetings like ascot cheltenham but always return to the monday at ludlow/southwell etc which i hate doing but never resist. Probably my biggest dissapointment was doing the placepot at cheltenham last year on the final day. I had five up in a E20 placepot al riding on maralan in the last. He led nearly all way round, jumped the last in front and ended up coming 15th. :cry I nevere actually found out what the placepot paid that day so if any of you guys can find out id love to know. Anyway now you know a little about me and happy punting and heres to a profitable 2008 (with alittle help from you guys :hope )

[adam7982]

Re: ATR - Who are we? I am Adam age 25 and been gambling since the age of 20 i mainly specialise in football trebles & doubles but i am really taking to horse racing and with the help of you guys its great way of learning. I hope you dont mind having an ameteur around. My favourite horse that i loved to watch has sadly now past away...i used to love detroit city but his life was sadly cut short. Your all a great help so thanks for the tips and i have provided a few of my own too. Am going to gold cup tomorrow this will be my 1st live racing event so i am very excited....if you have any advice and tips please private message me. Adam

[bunnychaser]

Re: ATR - Who are we? hi ime andy 42 not really brill at expressing myself but mug punter would sum me up need to bet on everything anyways this is a true story and i shut a major bookmaker down for 24 hours 2 years ago i just stumbled across it i was listening to william hill radio on the pc the dogs and i was hearing the results and looking at the betting live after the result the odds and betting was still up thought i was dreaming or sommat i placed £20 on the first blow me away it won :) the second time i was shaking so stuck £50 quid on it blow me again it won :) 2 winners after the result was known i won £500 beleive it or not i got a phoncall from the manager telling me he knew what i was doing but couldnt prove anything he suspended my account he let me keep my winnings but he didnt return my stake i couldnt realy ring up and complain but it was in the national paper the next day the site went down due to me probably a once in a lifetime situation i wish i had a few more quid at the time to lump on it but it just seemed to good to be true thats my claim to fame what a cracking forum this is

[BillyHills]

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I nevere actually found out what the placepot paid that day so if any of you guys can find out id love to know.

PuntyBoy, the Placepot paid £387.50 to a £1 stake

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Mullins 2nd OWNER: Mrs M Findlay 3rd OWNER: Jim Ennis TOTE WIN £16.10 PL £3.30, £2.60, £20.90, £6.40; Ex £135.70; CSF £73.89; TRICAST £6501.37Pool: £11,579.62 - 1.00 winning unit. Place 6 £ 378.44, Place 5 £ 85.56 TRIFECTA £8221.50 Pool: £11,579.62 - 1.00 winning unit. Place 6 £ 378.44, Place 5 £ 85.56 JACKPOT Not won. PLACEPOT £387.50 to a £1 stake. Pool: £908,960.12. 1,712.35 winning tickets. QUADPOT £58.80 to a £1 stake. Pool: £35,970.45. 452.00 winning tickets. Analysis Comments In Running

[billy the punter]

Re: ATR - Who are we? I'm Billy (obviously). Got into gambling due to my dad having a keen interest. In the past he was a greyhound man - he had a book at a track for a while but I think it bored him. So my first experiences were at a very early age and were all around greyhound racing. That game has changed these days and he is more of a horse man now. We own three horses with one friend and were winning owners four times in our first season. I loved the Grand National, bet on it every year, it was always kind to me and still is to this day. As soon as I reached a suitable age (ie when I could get in a betting shop, which was around 17) I started followed horses, around Royal Ascot 1994. I became obsessed straight away, I had my first 'system' by the end of the following flat season and by 1996 I had my first £500 bet. Farmost - a winner at 11/10. I'm still not sure if that was a good thing or a bad thing! I started work in the industry soon after, years at the Racing Post, as well as time as an odds compiler and tipster. It wasn't always win, win, win in those years - far from it. I had massive swings, my staking went up and down more than Tower Bridge and I've been skint more times than I care to remember. I loved all those years but left it in 2004 to give it a go as a pro. 90% of my staking is done through betfair, not only are the getting on problems are a thing of the past, I'm able to trade and bet in-running. I favour flat racing, especially the a/w. My favourite races to work on are claimers and sellers, and the big handicaps on the turf. Although I trade and play in running over the sticks I only really have opinions when it comes to the big meetings. I rarely back E/W, prefering to back two or more in a race. In my 4th year now, and it is really hard work. For years, like all of us, my problem has been discipline. Since doing this fulltime I've had motivation and dedication added to the problem list. However I've almost grown out of all three thesedays. I made a living despite them in the past so I'm extremely hopeful of bumper profits over the NEXT four years. Best memories Backing Cape Verdi ante-post at 16s after her 2-y-o defeat at Royal Ascot, 11 months before the race. Backing Private Benjamin at 100/1 when he won his maiden at Lingfield. Backing Hardy Eustace at 40/1 just after watching Well Chief win the Arkle having backed him antepost at 33/1 - had a good night after that! Last Saturday's 1234 in the Spring Mile is up there too, had the same thing (1234) in a L'stown handicap in 2005 with a £1100 t/c. Worst memories Having a T/C comb on Lord Gyllene, Suny Bay and Buckboard Bounce in the National - 1st (14s), 2nd (8s) and 4th (40s) Wanted Ad Hoc for around 25k after backing him at 33s for the National. Went off 10/1, and was cantering when he was brought down by Davids Lad four out (who falls there?!). Backing Yesterday antepost to win the 2003 Oaks (£200 at 40s), beaten a neck at 10/3. Read the form line - sickening. Backing Park Accord at 66/1 for the 1000 Guineas before she saw a course, was unbeaten and 6/1 fav when she broke down at home.

[bowles10]

Re: ATR - Who are we? cheers Billy do you get down the track at all? I try to frequent some of the surrey tracks during the year at various times. Keep thinking i'll give up my season ticket at the R's to get a membership at Sandown or Ascot! my old man knows a few of the boys who have worked at the RP on the tipping pages over the years. All Journo's except "the couch" of course! What horses have you been involved in over the years? Tel me to mind my own business if you want!:ok

[billy the punter]

Re: ATR - Who are we?

cheers Billy do you get down the track at all? I try to frequent some of the surrey tracks during the year at various times. Keep thinking i'll give up my season ticket at the R's to get a membership at Sandown or Ascot! my old man knows a few of the boys who have worked at the RP on the tipping pages over the years. All Journo's except "the couch" of course! What horses have you been involved in over the years? Tel me to mind my own business if you want!:ok

Nah don't be silly. I don't go racing as much as I used to, with betfair there is just no need. I do go to Lingfield quite a bit as it's not far from me. Will go most places if we have a runner. Go for social reason a good few times a year though, southern tracks. NEVER miss Goodwood. I didn't do any tipping for the Post, although I know a lot of those boys. The tipping I did was for outside firms. The couch is back at the Post now ain't he. He is good value. Dropped you a line btw.

[WHUPUNTER]

Re: ATR - Who are we? So what horses you involved with then Billy if you dont mind me asking?

[Abertawe]

Re: ATR - Who are we? Hello guys, Im 17 years old and live in Swansea, first walked in to a bookies when i was 16 and just attempted accys on the football etc. Always enjoyed watching Horse Racing on the tele since i was a nipper but i was always more interested in football. For the past couple of months ive been watching this forum and taking up on some of the info that is posted on here. However in the last fortnight or so i decided i wanted to try a hand at it myself, ive currently stopped making bets for the time being and started studying. Racing Post is my manual and have started to try and compile a notebook including horses, trainers, jockeys & courses. Over the past few day ive started to use a very very basic way of picking horses. 1)Look over trainer with a good record at the course. 2)Jockeys with a good record at the course. 3)Have a scan to see what horse(s) the trainer/jockey is running with and analyise the form & ability of the horse. Not really the most complex of 'system' but a good way to get started i feel, and seems to produce ok results so far. Ive much to learn as im a complete novice but i hope to get involved on here and look to try new ways of picking winners or places. Sorry to bore you :drums:cheers

[BillyHills]

Re: ATR - Who are we? Abertawe, :welcome to the ATR section Look forward to your contribution, we dont bite and some of the guys are not bad at giving advice either. BH

[fintron]

Re: ATR - Who are we? In all of the time I've been coming on here I've never noticed this thread, only came across it today when looking for the ten to follow to add my two bonus selections! I'm Wayne, 23, and live in Bradford. I'm a scientist by trade and a massive Bradford City fan. In my spare time I run a Bradford City website www.bctid.co.uk and am in the process of setting up another website on AW racing. I got into gambling three years ago when a mate of mine persuaded me to sign up for an online bookie to have a crack at a few footy accumulators. For the first year or so that was all I ever bet on (with moderate success) but then, one day I decided to have a crack at the horses. I never staked large amounts back then and I still don't now (its the satisfaction in finding a winner more than the £'s won that keeps me going), but in the past year or so I've made a conscious effort to improve my betting on the horses, spending more and more time studying the form. It was Mowgli that suggested I should check out PL as I used to post up my selections on a Bradford City forum, and since coming on here my betting has improved drastically. I'm learning more and more factors to take into consideration, although I think you can sometimes try to take into account too much and sometimes it's better to keep things simple. I've started to read around the subject and when/if I finish my PhD in a few years I want to enter the horse racing industry working for one of the broadcasters, newspapers, bookies etc. Although how I would go about this I do not know (anyone that could give me a foot up please say!). What I do know is that I love studying form and trying to solve the puzzle of each race and thats why I want a job in the industry. My best ever win was a 400/1 double on Rowe Park and Hallings Overture at Lingfield a couple of years ago. Both of those horses were CD winners so from that day onwards CD form has shaped a lot of my betting. However, I no longer have reservations about backing short priced animals and quite regularly back odds on shots which I would never have done when I first started.

[mowgli77]

Re: ATR - Who are we? Where does the name "fintron" come from, is that something scientific?

[fintron]

Re: ATR - Who are we?

Where does the name "fintron" come from' date=' is that something scientific?[/quote'] Ha, ha, no. My surname is Finter so thats where the 'fint' comes from. One of my mates at school used to give everyone stupid nicknames and for some unbeknown reason my name turned into a nickname of fintron!

[Trotter]

Re: ATR - Who are we? Hello folks I've been here a while now, so it's about time I introduced myself I'm in my 50s, self employed, which in the current economic climate gives me plenty of time to devote to the horses, but no money to bet with........:unsure I came late to racing. Was in my early 30s and having a weekend away, looking for something to fill the time before going to Footy and a mate suggested having a bet on the TV races..... Gradually became hooked over the next few years Equine heroes from those days - Dancing Brave, Suave Dancer, Generous, Pebbles........and all those forgotten ones who brought up 50p EW doubles....... My best ever win was at york one of the years Ezzoud won the International.......I had the first three up on a yankee, couple at big odds, won about £ 500.........all the bets were going on to a 25/1 shot in the nursery..........all i need say is that if it was today, that last one would have been my BBotD..........:wall In 1996 I left my job to become self-employed and gave up betting to save some money, gradually lost interest in the horses without betting. That lasted until last year when work began to decline and I seemed to have a lot of spare time. I also got the racing channels on tv with the sports package at around that time..........started watching to fill the afternoons............hey ho, here we go..........back into it again ! Never was much of a bettor, 50p Yankee merchant.......and I don't feel the need to bet these days, so after losing about £ 50 over six months I gave up again. Haven't had a bet since Aintree........... I've always picked something to specialise in every year, can't cope with the amount of racing. Currently I'm looking at Group One races in Europe after a couple of months banging my head against the sprint handicap brick wall On my comeback to the sport I'm amazed at how much info is available on the net and having 2 dedicated racing channels...........it's heaven. Or is it Hell ?............:unsure

[Spooner]

Re: ATR - Who are we? Hello, Thought id better introduce myself here as I never have and post here quite reguarly now. Im Dan, 20, Lived in Croydon for a about a year now...Used to live in Kent before that. Got into Horse Racing from about the age of 14, My grandad used to love it and every saturday afternoon I used to go round there and he would have channel 4 racing on, Used to think 'Not this again, I want to watch the football scores filter through' but now wish I could go round and enjoy the racing with him, Sadly hes not here anymore. Used to have £0.10p lucky 15's on at the weeknd when I was 14 up until I was able to get into the bookies myself, from about the age of 17 I got in. Started punting lots when I was around 18-19, Foolish punting on anything and everything. Have since calmed down on my betting since I found mainly this forum and grew up a little bit, Rarley have a bet anymore but still love looking through the cards and putting picks up on here, Makes me enjoy it just as much as when I had money on them. I don't have a great deal of knowledge as some on here but I am learning slowly but surely, Seem to have that 'knack' of picking winners like others on here, Jinxed myself now but hey ho! Anyway, That's about it from me. Cheers. :ok

[bowles10]

Re: ATR - Who are we? Don't be shy now guys. :ok

[Jug]

Re: ATR - Who are we? Haha I didn't realise this sticky Well, my name is Ed and I'm 19 years old I've only started betting this year - it all started around March this year when I was on my way to a party and rang my friend and asked him if he wanted to get some drinks beforehand. He said sure and told me he was at the local bookies and told me to meet him there. So I went there and asked him how it was going, he had a couple of winners and it was his last bet of the day. He said he was torn between 2 horses and asked me to pick one for him, I took a look at the names, picked the one with the better name and as you could of guessed, it won! I never really gamble big, I only put a couple of quid on horses and I enjoy the odd tri-cast and forecast on the greyhounds. Unfortunaetly, my family do not approve of gambling and see it as a sin due to religious backgrounds so everytime I nip out I tell them I'm going to the pub for a couple of drinks with my friends I've learnt so much from this website such as horses/trainers to look out for and I'm still learning so c'mon guys, post some more info! I prefer the flats to the jumps and my favourite horse is Lady Deauville, I will always back it no matter what the odds are. Favourite jockeys for the flats are: - Francis Norton - Kirsty Milczarek - Hayley Turner - George Baker - Chris Catlin - Richard Hughes - Jimmy Fortune

[Karel]

Re: ATR - Who are we? Hi Guys, My name is Paul and I am 38 from Huddersfield in Yorkshire. I work from home as a web designer and have a few sites of my own, buying and selling and also make money through adverts. I was born to be a gambler, I think I was about 5 and on holiday with my parents and walked past an arcade and was hooked on the lights and the shove penny machines. I just walked in and my parents walked on and had no idea, a call came on the tannoy for me with my description, I honestly did not care and carried on watching the machines only to get a whack of my dad when he found me. From that day I was hooked and it ruined my life for many years. I bascially gambled on everything, horses, football, machines and casinos as I got older. I can honestly say I never had any money. I would get paid on a Thursday and would not have money for a sarnie at work the day after. I hated the way I was, but I was addicted. My lowest point was getting a £5,000 loan from a company who charged a fortune in interest, this was for a new car after passing my test. Well I lost the lot in the casion. I then went to another bank to pay this money off with a better rate of interest and blew that as well. I was £10,000 in debt + interest at 19 and lived on £30 a week for two years until I paid it all off. The change came around 30 years old, a friend of mine was everything I wanted to be, he was so patient and knew a hell of a lot about rugby league and made a living out of it, espically when the spread firms first started and thought the rain did not affect the score in a game. Well he took me under his wing for a year, told me I was a mug and do try and be more selective. I was fed up with losing and had lost a lot of that gambling bug, the buzz seemed to have gone, but I felt I had a lot of good things that I had learnt over the years and if I put a lot of this into practice I could do well and for the first time ever, I made money over a year. I changed around that time and am now very selective and do o.k out of betting. I try never to have a bet for the sake of it and if I have a bet a lot of the time I don't even watch the game. I am not perfect and do fall off the wagon now and again, usually beer or an argument with the other half. I actually like talking about the subject as much as betting and go on 3 seperate forums and love reading the racing post daily. I do a bit of arbing when I can and stick to mainly football and a lot of rugby league when I do bet, traveling all over the country to watch games in all divisions. I have accounts with betfair, all the spread firms and just about every bookie, having as many options as possible makes a big difference at the end of the year.

[bowles10]

Re: ATR - Who are we? interesting insight that one Karel.

[ogii55]

Re: ATR - Who are we? Hey guys, i am still very new here, but like a lot this place :) (thanks to my countrymate Milen i found it, so he gets at least a bottle of vodka for :) Now, about me :) my real name is Ognian (but everyone calls me Ogi, Oga, Ogo and even Oginaldo, making fun with my poor football skills :) I am workin as sports journalist for one of the most popular weekly newspapers in my country. Also i am a boxing and K-1 TV commentator for two TVs in Bulgaria. I am big fan of sports since a kid, playing and training hockey, football, basketball and boxing, but never become of sportsmen, due to lack of talant and plenty of love to sleeping. My grandfather (RIP) show me the love and feeling of betting. He played so called Toto (somesort of Tote) with 13 selected matches every week from all Europe and you must shot at least 10 to get some winnings. When i was 13 years old started to bet in the first private bookie in my country. It was no problem with the age, cos everyone knows me around and i always said it's my grandfather's selections. During this time i became big fan of British football and specially Arsenal. It's funny, cos in BUlgaria my favorit club Levski is common with Chelsea due to blue shirts. Now i am 28 and still has posters in my room :))) Ian Wright always will remain the second best striker in the world for me. The first is one and only Dennis Bergkamp. I love all the guys from old Arsenal 92-98 with Nigel Winterburn, Lee Dixon, Stive Bould, Martin Kewoun, Adams, Ray Parlor.... When i went to the secondary i already have very good knowage of European football and thones of statistics and newspapers with forms of the players and my own inovations to compare the teams even in Division 1 in England. It was hard job, cos during this time there weren't internet and a lot of international news sources. I listen every week bbc radio shows and watch sky sports almost every match that it was possible to watch. One day when i pass through the major street of Sofia - "Vitoshka" i enter in the private national bookie's store and found something new. There were 5-6 small monitors, on which i saw some names and numbers and at the same time one big on which some horses were running. Couple of players were there and i mentioned that they start screeming just before the end of the race. After the finish some of them were happy, but most of them just cut their betting notes and throw them to the basket. The very next day i back to the bookie's store and keep myslef in for 3-4 hours. I watched the races, looked at the racecards on the wall and asked here and there what it means. It was not so difficult to match the data from the cards and the video on the monitors. Day by day i start to follow the races, bet here and there and also start to collect race cards and to put notices on every single race. It was maybe the most interesting part for me, not so much to bet, but to made the stats and impressions on each card. Mounths passed, i win here, lost there, but due to lack of bank managment and system of play i was on loss. Even i lost the money for my geografy manual and latter i took from home the money for electricy and play them on horces :) I have a lot of problems because of that, when my mum saw that the money are gone, but however i get some lesons from this case. There are a lot of other interesting stories during that time, i have a lot of friends, who played really serious, have knowage, followed the races every day, but all of them except maybe 2-3 lacked bank managment and the idea of long time profit. I was very funny to watch, cos after 3-4 years i have 6 huge packs with racecards, i use only two r three of them and they were really heavy so i leave them every day at some of the bookie's stores for horce racing. There were times in Sofia that we have 4 horce racing stores at ones. They know me everywere and there were some rich guys that needs my advices. I give them and when the horse win they give me 10-15% of the win. It was the best times in my live. I was teenager, who for two days gets my mum's mounty payments ljust by giving advices to some big players. I was really rich, but once again didn;'t think well how to use the money properly. I tryed to start several systems of making small profit every week, but the problem is that there were a lot of obstacles and everytime something happends. I gave a lot of money on loan to my horse racing budies, which cause some problems to my bank, sometimes i went drunk to make bets and didn't think properly, sometimes i misjudge the bad streak and fall once again. Playing horses and betting on football days almost finished when i graduated and decided to start new life by my own. One fact helps me a lot for this selection. In my totaly lack of laws country the governement decides to put taxes on Betting. So all the odds for soccer and horse racing dropped down seriously. For example Evans odds (2.00) for horse racing favorit droped to 1.77 ..... It was real steal from us, adding to other fact that despite the time of the bet we always were counted by the SP. At 1999 the internet in my country just start to become public and some of the guys went to bet on it. They also have some problems, cos they cant send money to bookies........ However after some time all the horse racing stores in Bulgaria were closed, because noone was playing no more. I change my way of living, concentrating on my job, but never forget the devil inside :) I continue to bet a lot on other sports. Thanks to the great disapointment of my favorit Bulgarian club - "Levski", i almost lost my love to football. During this time i made another specialisation - betting on boxing. Also make some bets on basketball and cycling. But it was almost just for fun (except boxing). One day i went to racingpost site and make some fun bets on the horses. The old love was wake up. But soon i realise that i didn't have enough time to follow and to study the races. There were new jockeys, some of old trainers were dead. So by time i just checks occasionly some of the races, until i saw milen's posts in the most popular Bulgarian betting forum. It was maybe two years ago i think. He was just beginning, but has great knowage of the sport. We lost connection for some time, but then i once again visit the racingpost, bet on some races and watch them :) So here now i am once again entering into the world of horse racing. I prefer to stay just fun gambler, because it's clear that without a lot of time for studies and cool mood, concentrate mainly on racing, it's very tough to be long time winning punter. Lol, my presentation is a little bit long, so i will finish it with my lovely horses. I have three horses that will always be my all time favorits. Two of them were from Gordon Richards (RIP) stable - The Gray Monk and Mcgregor The third and Charlie Mann's Celibate. I liked very much One Man, real beauty with so bad fate... From the flats my all time favorits were The Gray Kingdom and Celerik

[Tedthewolf]

Re: ATR - Who are we? Great post Ogii :ok Grey Kingdom brings back memories for me also Ogii i was at Ayr in 99 when he won the Silver Cup he had ran down the field the day before in which a horse called Double Action was 2nd in, both ran the next day in the Cup i really fancied the latter and had a good bet on it. I went and watched the horses in the parade ring and was drawn to the big grey so had a small e/w bet on him but didn't really fancy it as i was convinced Double Action was going to hack up after watching his run the day before but he didn't he finished down the field but Grey Kingdom won and got me out of jail!

[BillyHills]

Re: ATR - Who are we? Ogii, I reckon you and Milen should write a book together, you both a lovely way of telling a story. Milen's version of his trip to Stratford was a classic, and this is too! http://www.punterslounge.com/forum/1184120-post368.html[url=http://www.punterslounge.com/forum/f25/pl-race-meeting-xi-sun-sep-14th-stratford-carnage-65663/index19.html#post1184120] Nice one and welcome to the PL. BH

[mileni4uk]

Re: ATR - Who are we? I've been planning to write one on my own anyway :lol