Crouchie's Poker Thread

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Could have sworn he had KQ or J-10 PokerStars Game #9464641358: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2007/04/17 - 03:23:33 (ET) Table 'Subra' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: shadey4 ($1.74 in chips) Seat 2: mjoo82 ($8.06 in chips) Seat 3: evilhealer ($5.24 in chips) Seat 4: -ME- ($4.89 in chips) Seat 5: Lindorm ($3.21 in chips) Seat 6: Grampie6 ($1.77 in chips) Seat 7: morrison220 ($7.28 in chips) Seat 8: xxxZzzzz ($5.41 in chips) Seat 9: c@sino_kid ($7.79 in chips) Lindorm: posts small blind $0.01 Grampie6: posts big blind $0.02 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to -ME- [2h 2s] morrison220: calls $0.02 xxxZzzzz: folds c@sino_kid: folds shadey4: calls $0.02 mjoo82: folds evilhealer: calls $0.02 -ME-: calls $0.02 Lindorm: folds Grampie6: checks *** FLOP *** [2d Js Th] Grampie6: bets $0.08 morrison220: calls $0.08 shadey4: folds -ME-: raises $0.12 to $0.20 Grampie6: calls $0.12 morrison220: raises $0.80 to $1 -ME-: raises $3.87 to $4.87 and is all-in Grampie6: calls $1.55 and is all-in morrison220: calls $3.87 *** TURN *** [2d Js Th] [Ks] *** RIVER *** [2d Js Th Ks] [5d] *** SHOW DOWN *** morrison220: shows [Jc Jd] (three of a kind, Jacks) -ME-: shows [2h 2s] (three of a kind, Deuces) morrison220 collected $5.94 from side pot Grampie6: mucks hand morrison220 collected $5.11 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $11.60 Main pot $5.11. Side pot $5.94. | Rake $0.55 Board [2d Js Th Ks 5d] Seat 1: shadey4 folded on the Flop Seat 2: mjoo82 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: evilhealer folded on the Flop Seat 4: (button) showed [2h 2s] and lost with three of a kind, Deuces Seat 5: Lindorm (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 6: Grampie6 (big blind) mucked [9s 8h] Seat 7: morrison220 showed [Jc Jd] and won ($11.05) with three of a kind, Jacks Seat 8: xxxZzzzz folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: c@sino_kid folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Tom Hedonist]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread

*** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to -ME- [Kc Kh] *** FLOP *** [8h 7d Kd] Justin21M: bets $0.20 -ME-: calls $0.20

Not at all keen on that call, at that point you had the nuts, but there was a straight draw and a flush draw. I'd have made a sizeable reraise, to try and take the pot right there... it might not have made any difference in this particular hand, but it should do in the long run. You were unlucky on the next hand. I'd probably have played it exactly as you did. Although I'm not sure I'd have been correct in doing so :(. I like ubermonkey1's comments on this hand, and will try to remember them next time I'm in that kind of situation.

[Tom Hedonist]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread

Thanks for the feedback. I must admit I think I'm going to screw this bankroll management thing to start with. I'd rather lose my $50 deposit than spend all day grinding it on a 1/2c table only to lose.

I did something similar about a month ago - I put $100 into Virgin and have been playing the .05/.10 tables there (single table at a time). I'm determined not to have to replace my bank roll, and although I'm in profit, by risking approx 10% of my BR there's a very real chance I could go bust. By Friday of last week my BR stood at $148 :clap. Saturday was bad-beat-day (who the f*ck reraises pre-flop with K9o?) and by Sunday it was down to $111 :cry Fingers crossed, I don't get two or three more sessions like that in the next couple of weeks.

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread

I did something similar about a month ago - I put $100 into Virgin and have been playing the .05/.10 tables there (single table at a time). I'm determined not to have to replace my bank roll, and although I'm in profit, by risking approx 10% of my BR there's a very real chance I could go bust. By Friday of last week my BR stood at $148 :clap. Saturday was bad-beat-day (who the f*ck reraises pre-flop with K9o?) and by Sunday it was down to $111 :cry Fingers crossed, I don't get two or three more sessions like that in the next couple of weeks.

Good luck mate. I'm afraid due to general frustration I managed to donkey off about $30 already on STTs and MTTs :lol In my defence, I was all-in with JJ for a massive chiplead, and got rivered by the guy who called with his 77 :unsure

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Me saying goodbye to more chips: PokerStars Game #9466228417: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2007/04/17 - 08:10:17 (ET) Table 'Hippo IV' 9-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: djellie ($3.04 in chips) Seat 2: Écureuilmort ($5.65 in chips) Seat 4: schaap83 ($4.98 in chips) Seat 5: -ME- ($4.68 in chips) Seat 6: Pictavia ($7.95 in chips) Seat 7: OutaOuts ($0.81 in chips) Seat 8: fader1234 ($1 in chips) Seat 9: Smokylake ($3.34 in chips) Pictavia: posts small blind $0.01 OutaOuts: posts big blind $0.02 fader1234: posts big blind $0.02 *** HOLE CARDS *** -ME- [Qd Qc] fader1234: checks Smokylake: folds djellie: calls $0.02 Écureuilmort: folds schaap83: folds givusabreak joins the table at seat #3 -ME-: raises $0.08 to $0.10 Pictavia: folds OutaOuts: calls $0.08 fader1234: folds djellie: calls $0.08 *** FLOP *** [9h Th 7h] OutaOuts: bets $0.71 and is all-in djellie: folds -ME-: calls $0.71 *** TURN *** [9h Th 7h] [3s] *** RIVER *** [9h Th 7h 3s] [Ac] *** SHOW DOWN *** OutaOuts: shows [Kh As] (a pair of Aces) -ME-: mucks hand OutaOuts collected $1.70 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $1.75 | Rake $0.05 Board [9h Th 7h 3s Ac] Seat 1: djellie folded on the Flop Seat 2: Écureuilmort folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: schaap83 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: (button) mucked [Qd Qc] Seat 6: Pictavia (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 7: OutaOuts (big blind) showed [Kh As] and won ($1.70) with a pair of Aces Seat 8: fader1234 folded before Flop Seat 9: Smokylake folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[voiceofjoe]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread I agree with your thoughts about 1c/2c tables - its awful hard work to make money to move up - although I found Pokerstars to be the most difficult site of any to win at. I've been playing at the 0.5/10c tables for about 2 months and have made a decent profit (relatively speaking). I found the softest sites to be Prima for the cash, although I've been on others (PKR (Some EXTREMLEY poor players on here - but software is a bit of a pain),Ladbrokes) to earn some nice bonuses. I do however play quite a bit on betfair, as I like the software - plus the Max you can bring to the table is 50*BB not 100*BB as other sites - so I can be a little more aggressive.

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Thanks for the continuing feedback. Regarding PKR, I find the handrate very slow, and just in general it's not a place I'm keen on. I don't really feel I'd learn very much playing on there, which is in itself important. Living in Australia, Betfair poker I am afraid is unavailable to me. I'll try Prima, but their sites have some decent bonuses available and I'm trying to save them for when I am playing at limits which are capable of clearing them. Two biggest problems I feel I have at the moment are not betting at the correct times/right amount when I have a strong hand, and laying down when I feel I'm beat, but call anyway. A couple of examples in a moment.

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread PokerStars Game #9469693242: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2007/04/17 - 13:57:12 (ET) Table 'Lassell' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: ^_^knewit ($5.03 in chips) Seat 2: N0whereman ($3.45 in chips) Seat 3: ($5.55 in chips) Seat 4: case530 ($3.07 in chips) Seat 5: Cilla1987 ($5 in chips) Seat 6: Ibins ($1.77 in chips) Seat 7: kshef ($5.85 in chips) Seat 8: MaryLog ($2.79 in chips) Seat 9: fanatics222 ($2.43 in chips) case530: posts small blind $0.01 Cilla1987: posts big blind $0.02 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to [8d 9h] Ibins: calls $0.02 kshef: folds MaryLog: folds fanatics222: folds ^_^knewit: folds N0whereman: folds : calls $0.02 case530: folds Cilla1987: checks *** FLOP *** [6h 4d 8h] Cilla1987: checks Ibins: checks : bets $0.04 Cilla1987: folds Ibins: calls $0.04 *** TURN *** [6h 4d 8h] [9c] Ibins: checks : bets $0.12 Ibins: calls $0.12 *** RIVER *** [6h 4d 8h 9c] [Tc] Ibins: checks : checks *** SHOW DOWN *** Ibins: shows [Kc 7s] (a straight, Six to Ten) : mucks hand Ibins collected $0.39 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $0.39 | Rake $0 Board [6h 4d 8h 9c Tc] Seat 1: ^_^knewit folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: N0whereman folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: (button) mucked [8d 9h] Seat 4: case530 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 5: Cilla1987 (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 6: Ibins showed [Kc 7s] and won ($0.39) with a straight, Six to Ten Seat 7: kshef folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: MaryLog folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: fanatics222 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Don't feel I played it too badly, but I feel somewhere there's a deeper level of thought I should be applying :unsure

[Jimany]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Played it just fine mate, bet out when you had the best of it, twice! Opponent misses his gutshot (what a player eh?) but catches an open ender on the turn. No value in betting the river and you check. Keep doing that at this level and the pots will gradually start to be pushed in your direction. I hate micro limits :wall

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Here is a case of me not knowing when to fold, and I felt I bet poorly too. A bit of a case of having a good hand and not wanting to scare the opponent away. All around I played this poorly but what to do when I have a strong hand is troubling me a bit: PokerStars Game #9469426974: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2007/04/17 - 13:35:56 (ET) Table 'Lassell' 9-max Seat #7 is the button Seat 2: N0whereman ($3.43 in chips) Seat 3: ($5.61 in chips) Seat 5: andres358 ($2.13 in chips) Seat 6: Ibins ($1.74 in chips) Seat 7: kshef ($5.41 in chips) Seat 8: MaryLog ($2.94 in chips) Seat 9: fanatics222 ($3.13 in chips) MaryLog: posts small blind $0.01 fanatics222: posts big blind $0.02 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to [Ad Jd] N0whereman: folds : raises $0.04 to $0.06 andres358: folds Ibins: calls $0.06 kshef: folds MaryLog: folds fanatics222: folds *** FLOP *** [Jh Qd As] : bets $0.08 Ibins: calls $0.08 *** TURN *** [Jh Qd As] [8c] kshef is sitting out z: bets $0.12 Ibins: calls $0.12 *** RIVER *** [Jh Qd As 8c] [Kd] : checks Ibins: bets $0.28 : calls $0.28 *** SHOW DOWN *** Ibins: shows [Th Qh] (a straight, Ten to Ace) : mucks hand Ibins collected $1.06 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $1.11 | Rake $0.05 Board [Jh Qd As 8c Kd] Seat 2: N0whereman folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: mucked [Ad Jd] Seat 5: andres358 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: Ibins showed [Th Qh] and won ($1.06) with a straight, Ten to Ace Seat 7: kshef (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: MaryLog (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 9: fanatics222 (big blind) folded before Flop

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread I had aces twice tonight, both times no action and I picked up 1.5BB. Now I'm on the end of this. I figure he could just as easily have had AK than a pair, so tested on the flop. After the check on the turn, I thought I'd try again. Always ****ing seems to be me on the wrong end: PokerStars Game #9470228878: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2007/04/17 - 14:33:27 (ET) Table 'Lassell' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: ^_^knewit ($4.94 in chips) Seat 2: N0whereman ($3.61 in chips) Seat 3: ($6.20 in chips) Seat 4: Pen68 ($2.96 in chips) Seat 5: mrvegas43 ($1.03 in chips) Seat 7: Fesneu ($0.92 in chips) Seat 8: 965m36 ($2.84 in chips) Seat 9: fanatics222 ($2.94 in chips) Pen68: posts small blind $0.01 mrvegas43: posts big blind $0.02 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to [Jd Jh] Fesneu: calls $0.02 965m36: calls $0.02 fanatics222: folds TiltedFish00 joins the table at seat #6 ^_^knewit: raises $0.08 to $0.10 N0whereman: folds : calls $0.10 Pen68: folds mrvegas43: folds Fesneu: folds 965m36: folds *** FLOP *** [Tc Th 4s] ^_^knewit: bets $0.25 : raises $0.50 to $0.75 ^_^knewit: calls $0.50 *** TURN *** [Tc Th 4s] [7d] ^_^knewit: checks : bets $0.85 ^_^knewit: calls $0.85 *** RIVER *** [Tc Th 4s 7d] [8h] ^_^knewit: checks : checks *** SHOW DOWN *** ^_^knewit: shows [Ah As] (two pair, Aces and Tens) : mucks hand ^_^knewit collected $3.32 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $3.47 | Rake $0.15 Board [Tc Th 4s 7d 8h] Seat 1: ^_^knewit showed [Ah As] and won ($3.32) with two pair, Aces and Tens Seat 2: N0whereman folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: (button) mucked [Jd Jh] Seat 4: Pen68 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 5: mrvegas43 (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 7: Fesneu folded before Flop Seat 8: 965m36 folded before Flop Seat 9: fanatics222 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Same hand, this time I think I'm beat, though I have to wonder wtf he's doing calling on the turn: PokerStars Game #9470304151: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2007/04/17 - 14:38:23 (ET) Table 'Subra' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: zapatupatu ($3.69 in chips) Seat 2: McBurn79 ($2.42 in chips) Seat 3: TheG50 ($5.03 in chips) Seat 4: tr1000 ($5.02 in chips) Seat 5: Pr.Phosie ($1.86 in chips) Seat 6: AIXCAV ($4.98 in chips) Seat 7: ($5.53 in chips) Seat 8: Lucky_Bjoern ($9.73 in chips) Seat 9: newgautama ($3.56 in chips) zapatupatu: posts small blind $0.01 McBurn79: posts big blind $0.02 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to [Jh Js] TheG50: calls $0.02 tr1000: calls $0.02 Pr.Phosie: calls $0.02 AIXCAV: folds : raises $0.08 to $0.10 Lucky_Bjoern: folds newgautama: folds zapatupatu: folds McBurn79: folds TheG50: folds tr1000: calls $0.08 Pr.Phosie: calls $0.08 *** FLOP *** [5d 9c 3c] tr1000: checks Pr.Phosie: bets $0.08 : raises $0.17 to $0.25 tr1000: folds Pr.Phosie: calls $0.17 *** TURN *** [5d 9c 3c] [Ah] Pr.Phosie: bets $0.35 : folds Pr.Phosie collected $0.85 from pot Pr.Phosie: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $0.85 | Rake $0 Board [5d 9c 3c Ah] Seat 1: zapatupatu (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 2: McBurn79 (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 3: TheG50 folded before Flop Seat 4: tr1000 folded on the Flop Seat 5: Pr.Phosie collected ($0.85) Seat 6: AIXCAV folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: folded on the Turn Seat 8: Lucky_Bjoern folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: newgautama (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) I don't think Stars like me. I give up for the night

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread For the love of god somebody tell me wtf I am doing wrong, because this is all that ever seems to happen to me, aside from pre flop folding: PokerStars Game #9485760281: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/04/18 - 13:15:05 (ET) Table 'Laura' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: PikeBite ($23.60 in chips) Seat 2: deigojd ($10.95 in chips) Seat 3: Zwemvleugel ($9.75 in chips) Seat 4: emjay1976 ($9.50 in chips) Seat 5: ($10 in chips) Seat 6: fitinho ($18.10 in chips) Seat 7: paulchen101 ($7.95 in chips) Seat 8: dennisa ($11.25 in chips) Seat 9: Canton1668 ($9.90 in chips) emjay1976: posts small blind $0.05 DeuceHighOz: posts big blind $0.10 *** HOLE CARDS *** [8s Ks] fitinho: folds paulchen101: folds dennisa: calls $0.10 Canton1668: folds PikeBite: folds deigojd: folds Zwemvleugel: folds emjay1976: calls $0.05 : checks *** FLOP *** [8c Jh Kh] emjay1976: checks : bets $0.20 dennisa: calls $0.20 emjay1976: folds *** TURN *** [8c Jh Kh] [7d] : bets $0.40 dennisa: raises $1.10 to $1.50 : calls $1.10 *** RIVER *** [8c Jh Kh 7d] [9h] : checks dennisa: checks *** SHOW DOWN *** : shows [8s Ks] (two pair, Kings and Eights) dennisa: shows [Jd Th] (a straight, Seven to Jack) dennisa collected $3.55 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $3.70 | Rake $0.15 Board [8c Jh Kh 7d 9h] Seat 1: PikeBite folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: deigojd folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Zwemvleugel (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: emjay1976 (small blind) folded on the Flop Seat 5: (big blind) showed [8s Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Eights Seat 6: fitinho folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: paulchen101 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: dennisa showed [Jd Th] and won ($3.55) with a straight, Seven to Jack Seat 9: Canton1668 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread I just got very lucky here. However, I am extremely concerned about the predicament I have got myself into on the turn. Is my PF raise too small? Remove the lucky river and I've just lost my buy-in, without exactly knowing where things went wrong: PokerStars Game #9486083605: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/04/18 - 13:41:42 (ET) Table 'Laura' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: PikeBite ($11.55 in chips) Seat 2: deigojd ($8.65 in chips) Seat 3: Zwemvleugel ($11.35 in chips) Seat 4: wayne004 ($3.60 in chips) Seat 5: ($10.40 in chips) Seat 6: fitinho ($18.05 in chips) Seat 7: paulchen101 ($5.35 in chips) Seat 8: natedogg7 ($9.85 in chips) Seat 9: Canton1668 ($20.35 in chips) paulchen101: posts small blind $0.05 natedogg7: posts big blind $0.10 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to [Kc Kd] Canton1668: folds PikeBite: calls $0.10 deigojd: folds Zwemvleugel: folds wayne004: folds : raises $0.30 to $0.40 fitinho: calls $0.40 paulchen101: folds natedogg7: calls $0.30 PikeBite: calls $0.30 *** FLOP *** [Jc 6d Jh] natedogg7: bets $0.40 PikeBite: folds : calls $0.40 fitinho: folds *** TURN *** [Jc 6d Jh] [4d] natedogg7: bets $1 : raises $1 to $2 natedogg7: raises $1.40 to $3.40 : raises $6.20 to $9.60 and is all-in natedogg7: calls $5.65 and is all-in *** RIVER *** [Jc 6d Jh 4d] [Kh] *** SHOW DOWN *** natedogg7: shows [Js Td] (three of a kind, Jacks) : shows [Kc Kd] (a full house, Kings full of Jacks) collected $19.55 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $20.55 | Rake $1 Board [Jc 6d Jh 4d Kh] Seat 1: PikeBite folded on the Flop Seat 2: deigojd folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Zwemvleugel folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: wayne004 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: showed [Kc Kd] and won ($19.55) with a full house, Kings full of Jacks Seat 6: fitinho (button) folded on the Flop Seat 7: paulchen101 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 8: natedogg7 (big blind) showed [Js Td] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks Seat 9: Canton1668 folded before Flop (didn't bet) ----- Flop: Called because there was no draw on the board Turn: Re-raised because of a possible flush draw, went all-in because that is basically where things went. After he re-raises my re-raise, I consider J-10, Q-J, A-J, K-J a possibility, but QQ, TT equally so. How strongly should I consider folding on the turn, and how do I keep finding myself in these scenarios :\

[slick mick]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread I would have probably folded on the turn with maybe a flat call if I thought he didn't have the Jack. Reraising because of a possible flush makes no sense. He's representing the Jack and you only have 2 outs, if you hit a king the flush is beaten anyway.

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread

I would have probably folded on the turn with maybe a flat call if I thought he didn't have the Jack. Reraising because of a possible flush makes no sense. He's representing the Jack and you only have 2 outs, if you hit a king the flush is beaten anyway.

Some good advice there Mick. Will definitely take that on board, thanks.

[Tom Hedonist]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread

PokerStars Game #9485760281 *** HOLE CARDS *** [8s Ks]

My tuppence: :$ I don't like your min raise after the flop. I realise the pot was only 0.30c, and so you were betting 2/3 of the pot, but I would have made a bet of .40 to .50. to try and let my opponents know I'm in a position of strength and make it expensive for them to improve their draw. Once the turn comes and your opponent makes that large bet, I'd probably have put them on the straight and folded. TBH I think you were very unlucky. It turned out you were ahead all the way to the river.

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Thanks Tom. After the turn I knew 9-10 was possible, but I didn't really feel he had it. My post flop play is quite awful to tell you the truth and I don't take enough time to think about things and take the right course of action.

[Tom Hedonist]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread

My post flop play is quite awful to tell you the truth and I don't take enough time to think about things and take the right course of action.

LOL, I know that feeling. It normally comes just before I lose a packet :$ and usually means I'm being too loose or too passive, or both.

After the turn I knew 9-10 was possible, but I didn't really feel he had it.

This is another of my mistakes - gambling because I think the other guy has sweet fa, rather than when I know I'm ahead. :cry Its no coincidence that the majority of my winning days are when I'm playing tight, aggressive and betting when I know I'm ahead. Keep on keepin' on. We'll all get there in the end :ok

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Here's me conceding some chips as a result of trying to make a move that I probably shouldn't even be entertaining at my level of skill. I blame this one on GaF :tongue2, as I was trying something he did here http://www.punterslounge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45056 PokerStars Game #9485575180: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/04/18 - 12:59:15 (ET) Table 'Laura' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: PikeBite ($22.10 in chips) Seat 2: deigojd ($9.60 in chips) Seat 3: Kev!nK ($10.10 in chips) Seat 4: emjay1976 ($10.70 in chips) Seat 5: ($9.75 in chips) Seat 6: fitinho ($19.55 in chips) Seat 7: paulchen101 ($6.10 in chips) Seat 8: dennisa ($10 in chips) Seat 9: Canton1668 ($9.60 in chips) paulchen101: posts small blind $0.05 dennisa: posts big blind $0.10 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to [7d 6d] Canton1668: calls $0.10 PikeBite: calls $0.10 deigojd: folds Kev!nK: folds emjay1976: folds : raises $0.30 to $0.40 fitinho: calls $0.40 paulchen101: folds dennisa: folds Canton1668: calls $0.30 PikeBite: calls $0.30 *** FLOP *** [8d Ac Ad] Canton1668: checks PikeBite: checks : bets $0.50 fitinho: folds Canton1668: folds PikeBite: raises $8.50 to $9 : folds PikeBite collected $2.65 from pot PikeBite: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $2.75 | Rake $0.10 Board [8d Ac Ad] Seat 1: PikeBite collected ($2.65) Seat 2: deigojd folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Kev!nK folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: emjay1976 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: folded on the Flop Seat 6: fitinho (button) folded on the Flop Seat 7: paulchen101 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 8: dennisa (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 9: Canton1668 folded on the Flop

[slick mick]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Thought I would give you a more thorough analysis of your hand as I have a bit of free time. It might give you an idea of the sort of analysis you should be doing. PokerStars Game #9486083605: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/04/18 - 13:41:42 (ET) Table 'Laura' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: PikeBite ($11.55 in chips) Seat 2: deigojd ($8.65 in chips) Seat 3: Zwemvleugel ($11.35 in chips) Seat 4: wayne004 ($3.60 in chips) Seat 5: ($10.40 in chips) Seat 6: fitinho ($18.05 in chips) Seat 7: paulchen101 ($5.35 in chips) Seat 8: natedogg7 ($9.85 in chips) Seat 9: Canton1668 ($20.35 in chips) paulchen101: posts small blind $0.05 natedogg7: posts big blind $0.10 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to [Kc Kd] Okay, big smile, I've got kings. Now what is this table like, it's a 5c/10c game so likely to be very loose. Most people are playing for fun, not to build a serious bankroll and move up a level. I need to put in a good sized raise to discourage the sort of junk people are likely to come in with (sooooted connectors, Ace rag sooooted) but not to big to completely discourage action, so 5bb should be about right, Canton1668: folds PikeBite: calls $0.10 deigojd: folds Zwemvleugel: folds wayne004: folds : raises $0.30 to $0.40 fitinho: calls $0.40 paulchen101: folds natedogg7: calls $0.30 PikeBite: calls $0.30 Well 2 callers isn't to bad so let's see the flop and hope there's no ace. *** FLOP *** [Jc 6d Jh] Nice flop for a pair of Kings and it's unlikely somebody has wired 6s. natedogg7: bets $0.40 Natedogg likes this flop so I need to put him on a basket of hands. Basically I need to know whether he has a 6 or a Jack in his hand. I'm not to bothered about pairs other than 6s and there are no flush or straight draws to worry about. A6 suited is a possibility but he should fold that to a decent reraise and I'm way ahead of him unless an ace comes but the reraise gives him wrong odds to call. Suited connectors like 10J or JQ are my big worry. If he has a Jack I need to find out now so I don't lose more money down the line so a raise to $1.20 will answer my question. If he calls or reraises I'm finished with this hand. PikeBite: folds : calls $0.40 fitinho: folds *** TURN *** [Jc 6d Jh] [4d] natedogg7: bets $1 : raises $1 to $2 OK I played the flop wrong but now I'm asking the question. Do you have a Jack? natedogg7: raises $1.40 to $3.40 The answer is yes and I'm out of here. : raises $6.20 to $9.60 and is all-in Oops I've just thrown my money away. Aces and Kings are hard hands to laydown but sometimes you just have to know when you're beat. natedogg7: calls $5.65 and is all-in *** RIVER *** [Jc 6d Jh 4d] [Kh] Miracle time. I hit one of my two outs and take the pot. However if I continue to play like this I'm going to lose roughley 19 times out of every 20. *** SHOW DOWN *** natedogg7: shows [Js Td] (three of a kind, Jacks) Well he's even looser than I thought with his TJos. If I start playing properly he's going to give me a lot of chips. : shows [Kc Kd] (a full house, Kings full of Jacks) collected $19.55 from pot Hope this helps.

[staffy]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Superb write up Mick. :clap

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Fantastic analysis there Mick, thanks! Laying down big hands is never easy, but lately my 'big' hands are always running into bigger ones (read the trip 2s v trip Js), so that just makes me more determined to make each big hand pay off, usually to my detriment :unsure

[staffy]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread

Here's me conceding some chips as a result of trying to make a move that I probably shouldn't even be entertaining at my level of skill. I blame this one on GaF :tongue2' date=' as I was trying something he did here [url']http://www.punterslounge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45056 PokerStars Game #9485575180: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/04/18 - 12:59:15 (ET) Table 'Laura' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: PikeBite ($22.10 in chips) Seat 2: deigojd ($9.60 in chips) Seat 3: Kev!nK ($10.10 in chips) Seat 4: emjay1976 ($10.70 in chips) Seat 5: ($9.75 in chips) Seat 6: fitinho ($19.55 in chips) Seat 7: paulchen101 ($6.10 in chips) Seat 8: dennisa ($10 in chips) Seat 9: Canton1668 ($9.60 in chips) paulchen101: posts small blind $0.05 dennisa: posts big blind $0.10 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to [7d 6d] Canton1668: calls $0.10 PikeBite: calls $0.10 deigojd: folds Kev!nK: folds emjay1976: folds : raises $0.30 to $0.40 fitinho: calls $0.40 paulchen101: folds dennisa: folds Canton1668: calls $0.30 PikeBite: calls $0.30 *** FLOP *** [8d Ac Ad] Canton1668: checks PikeBite: checks : bets $0.50 fitinho: folds Canton1668: folds PikeBite: raises $8.50 to $9 : folds PikeBite collected $2.65 from pot PikeBite: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $2.75 | Rake $0.10 Board [8d Ac Ad] Seat 1: PikeBite collected ($2.65) Seat 2: deigojd folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Kev!nK folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: emjay1976 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: folded on the Flop Seat 6: fitinho (button) folded on the Flop Seat 7: paulchen101 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 8: dennisa (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 9: Canton1668 folded on the Flop

Firtly I would not have raised with 6/7 suited I would only have called. If there had been a big raise after I may have folded may call depends who I am playing against. I dont have a major problem with your bet after the flop though. You are trying to semi bluff with a flush possibility also giving the impression you have trip Aces. You are right to fold though after the reraise.

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Alright thanks Staffy. I get annoyed as I can't ever seem to make anything work, which leads to play like above, or bad calls like with the KK. Maybe I should stick to tournaments.

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Tournaments not so great either! PokerStars Game #9498981863: Tournament #47733277, $10.70+$1.00 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round II, Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/19 - 07:27:34 (ET) Table '47733277 1' 10-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: tul00 (1500 in chips) Seat 2: Caiola (1500 in chips) Seat 3: (1500 in chips) Seat 4: CMAC666 (1500 in chips) Seat 5: Gofast75 (1500 in chips) Seat 6: 5purs (1500 in chips) Seat 7: u2 99 (1500 in chips) Seat 8: Keith Beyer (1500 in chips) Seat 9: pjmolly (1500 in chips) Seat 10: dikn (1500 in chips) u2 99: posts small blind 10 Keith Beyer: posts big blind 20 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to[Ac As] pjmolly: folds dikn: raises 40 to 60 tul00: folds Caiola: folds : raises 60 to 120 CMAC666: folds Gofast75: folds 5purs: folds u2 99 has timed out u2 99: folds u2 99 is sitting out Keith Beyer: folds dikn: calls 60 *** FLOP *** [2d 7d 3c] dikn: checks : bets 100 dikn: calls 100 *** TURN *** [2d 7d 3c] [3d] dikn: checks : bets 240 dikn: raises 1040 to 1280 and is all-in : calls 1040 and is all-in *** RIVER *** [2d 7d 3c 3d] [5c] *** SHOW DOWN *** dikn: shows [3h Ad] (three of a kind, Threes) shows [Ac As] (two pair, Aces and Threes) dikn collected 3030 from pot

[slick mick]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread PokerStars Game #9498981863: Tournament #47733277, $10.70+$1.00 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round II, Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/19 - 07:27:34 (ET) Table '47733277 1' 10-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: tul00 (1500 in chips) Seat 2: Caiola (1500 in chips) Seat 3: (1500 in chips) Seat 4: CMAC666 (1500 in chips) Seat 5: Gofast75 (1500 in chips) Seat 6: 5purs (1500 in chips) Seat 7: u2 99 (1500 in chips) Seat 8: Keith Beyer (1500 in chips) Seat 9: pjmolly (1500 in chips) Seat 10: dikn (1500 in chips) u2 99: posts small blind 10 Keith Beyer: posts big blind 20 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to[Ac As] WooHoo Best starting hand in holdem, now how do I make them pay and avoid suckouts. pjmolly: folds dikn: raises 40 to 60 Excellent news a raise from early position just what I need. I need to ask him how much he likes his hand. There's 90 in the pot so a raise to 300 should have him folding or if he really likes his hand reraising. If he's a donkey he'll call out of position and give me lots of chips unless he gets super lucky. tul00: folds Caiola: folds : raises 60 to 120 A minimum reraise isn't losing anybody here the blinds are low and he may get lucky. He has to know he could be playing for (and losing) all his chips. CMAC666: folds Gofast75: folds 5purs: folds u2 99 has timed out u2 99: folds u2 99 is sitting out Keith Beyer: folds dikn: calls 60 *** FLOP *** [2d 7d 3c] Fairly safe flop but there is a flush draw so a pot sized bet should chase that away. The pot is 270 (but should be much bigger) so a bet of 300 doesnt give him odds to call on a draw. dikn: checks : bets 100 Dikn now has 4-1 odds so a number of draws are pricing him in. dikn: calls 100 *** TURN *** [2d 7d 3c] [3d] dikn: checks : bets 240 dikn: raises 1040 to 1280 and is all-in There go the alarm bells, 3rd diamond on board time to ditch the aces and regret another badly played hand. : calls 1040 and is all-in *** RIVER *** [2d 7d 3c 3d] [5c] *** SHOW DOWN *** dikn: shows [3h Ad] (three of a kind, Threes) shows [Ac As] (two pair, Aces and Threes) dikn collected 3030 from pot Again we find out he's even more of a donkey that we thought with his A3os but we played wrong and gave him the chance to overtake. Once we start playing properly he's our bitch.

[slick mick]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Think it was TJ Cloutier who said aces usually win a small pot or lose a big one.

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Thanks for some great analysis Mick. Looking back, I think I need to adjust my attitude towards aces. I should be happy to pick up the pot pre flop knowing I made the right bet, rather than trying to milk them at such an early level.

[slick mick]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Another thing to bear in mind is unless you hit the flop you've only got 1 pair.