Crouchie's Poker Thread

[Crouch Potato]

Continuing on from my post in the novices' thread, I thought I'd stick a couple of hands and decisions that I thought were the key moments of my what was ultimately wasteful sesssion. With each hand I'll probably have a couple of questions, so any advice would be great :ok First hand is the first significant pot that was won. Calling UTG with this hand probably wasn't a very good idea in hindsight (well, unless that hindsight included the cards that'd come, but anywho...). Speaking of UTG, what's the best course of action there? Should I fold basically everything, and if I play less than premium hands, is calling or raising best at lower limits? ------------ Game #3636058343: Hold'em NL ($0.15/$0.25) - 2007/03/29 - 12:35:32 (UK) Table "Sadko" Seat 1 is the button. Seat 1: jatypc ($21.34 in chips) Seat 2: gAmBLEkiD ($19.04 in chips) Seat 3: tidyrose sits out Seat 4: jlh777 ($7.10 in chips) Seat 5: Mr_qld ($23.80 in chips) Seat 6: Drobert sits out Seat 7: chopchop ($19.85 in chips) Seat 8: Big_and_s ($7.10 in chips) Seat 9: derikstew ($15.55 in chips) Seat 10: circa138 ($24.59 in chips) gAmBLEkiD: posts small blind $0.15 jlh777: posts big blind $0.25 circa138: posts big blind $0.25 + posts small blind $0.15 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to Mr_qld [Jh Qs] Mr_qld: calls $0.25 chopchop: folds Big_and_s: folds derikstew: folds circa138: checks jatypc: folds gAmBLEkiD: folds jlh777: raises to $1 Mr_qld: calls $0.75 circa138: folds ----- FLOP ----- [2h Qh 5c] jlh777: bets $6.10 and is all-in Mr_qld: calls $6.10 ----- TURN ----- [2h Qh 5c][3h] ----- RIVER ----- [2h Qh 5c 3h][Qc] ----- SHOW DOWN ----- jlh777: shows [Kh Jc] (A Pair of Queens, King high) Mr_qld: shows [Jh Qs] (Three of a kind, Queens, Jack high) Mr_qld collected $14.05 from Main pot

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game The next pertinent hand I also won (believe me, the bad ones come :lol). Type of hand that I expect I could get into a LOT of trouble with. Knowing when I'm beat in this situation is something I find very difficult, though fortunately here I wasn't. Other thing I consider is that perhaps I should have raised more pre flop? ------------ Game #3636059963: Hold'em NL ($0.15/$0.25) - 2007/03/29 - 13:04:37 (UK) Table "Sadko" Seat 1 is the button. Seat 1: jatypc ($20.34 in chips) Seat 2: dvdmand ($23.95 in chips) Seat 4: NiteMagic ($3.95 in chips) Seat 5: Mr_qld ($26.25 in chips) Seat 6: vonKleist ($24.25 in chips) Seat 7: calin86 ($12.70 in chips) Seat 8: flexnes ($24.75 in chips) Seat 9: derikstew ($33 in chips) Seat 10: the_Wall ($25.25 in chips) dvdmand: posts small blind $0.15 NiteMagic: posts big blind $0.25 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to Mr_qld [Kc Kh] Lepisto1 joins the table at seat #3 Mr_qld: raises to $0.75 vonKleist: folds calin86: folds flexnes: calls $0.75 derikstew: calls $0.75 the_Wall: folds jatypc: folds dvdmand: folds NiteMagic: folds ----- FLOP ----- [2h Ah 2c] Mr_qld: checks flexnes: checks derikstew: bets $0.75 Mr_qld: calls $0.75 flexnes: folds ----- TURN ----- [2h Ah 2c][5d] Mr_qld: checks derikstew: bets $1 Mr_qld: raises to $3 derikstew: calls $2 ----- RIVER ----- [2h Ah 2c 5d][Ac] Mr_qld: bets $3.50 derikstew: calls $3.50 ----- SHOW DOWN ----- Mr_qld: shows [Kc Kh] (Two Pairs, Aces and Kings, Five high) derikstew: mucks hand [Qs Qd]

[GaF]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game UTG you only want to be playing the very best of hands .... if they are made hands ... like AA or KK then raise them ..... As you say, a flat call with QJs UTG is very ....erm..... undisciplined.... Don't like the call of the raise either ..... but you at least have position after the flop......so probably "less bad". You hit top pair, but with a poor kicker ..... your opponent puts in a massive overbet .... with no specific knowledge of my opponent, I probably lay the hand down ..... what do you think he's betting with there (if he isn't bluffing) ? A queen with a worse kicker? No, not with his pre flop raise, If he has a queen he has a better kicker .... an underpair to the queen? No - that would be a crazy bet? The only thing I can think of that he is doing this with that you are beating may be something like AhKh....

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game This is probably the best hand I played the whole session. Personally I don't feel I could have been played it any better, but if there are other ways I'm happy to hear them. ------------ Table "Sadko" Seat 5 is the button. Seat 1: jatypc sits out Seat 2: dvdmand ($26.05 in chips) Seat 3: tidyrose ($31.75 in chips) Seat 4: NiteMagic ($4.65 in chips) Seat 5: Mr_qld ($34.15 in chips) Seat 6: vonKleist ($23.25 in chips) Seat 7: calin86 ($12.70 in chips) Seat 8: flexnes ($23 in chips) Seat 9: derikstew ($25 in chips) Seat 10: the_Wall ($24.50 in chips) vonKleist: posts small blind $0.15 calin86: posts big blind $0.25 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to Mr_qld [Ac Qc] flexnes: calls $0.25 derikstew: folds the_Wall: folds dvdmand: calls $0.25 tidyrose: folds NiteMagic: folds Mr_qld: raises to $1 vonKleist: folds calin86: calls $0.75 flexnes: calls $0.75 dvdmand: calls $0.75 ----- FLOP ----- [8c Tc Jh] calin86: bets $1.25 flexnes: calls $1.25 dvdmand: raises to $2.50 Mr_qld: calls $2.50 calin86: calls $1.25 flexnes: calls $1.25 ----- TURN ----- [8c Tc Jh][Qh] calin86: checks flexnes: bets $2.50 dvdmand: folds Mr_qld: calls $2.50 calin86: folds ----- RIVER ----- [8c Tc Jh Qh][5c] flexnes: checks Mr_qld: bets $17 Robroy004 joins the table at seat #1 flexnes: calls $17 and is all-in ----- SHOW DOWN ----- Mr_qld: shows [Ac Qc] (A Flush, Ace high) flexnes: shows [9s Ah] (A Straight, Queen high) Mr_qld collected $50.50 from Main pot

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game Last one that I can find for the time being (I forgot to save the history, so I just have a bunch of logs atm :\). Probably a hard hand to read, but looking at it I didn't really give myself much of a chance to obtain any information (though if I'm honest, I doubt I'd have been good enough to fold after the river anyway) --------------------- Table "Sadko" Seat 3 is the button. Seat 1: gAmBLEkiD ($18.85 in chips) Seat 2: tejak ($32.40 in chips) Seat 3: PkrClc ($11.75 in chips) Seat 4: Polly2007 ($30.45 in chips) Seat 5: Mr_qld ($95.48 in chips) Seat 6: kollega ($23.95 in chips) Seat 7: 20tf20 ($25.53 in chips) Seat 8: GALLE ($23.10 in chips) Seat 9: johan.13 ($26.10 in chips) Seat 10: Cockle1 ($9.80 in chips) Polly2007: posts small blind $0.15 Mr_qld: posts big blind $0.25 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to Mr_qld [Kc Qh] kollega: calls $0.25 20tf20: folds GALLE: folds johan.13: folds Cockle1: folds gAmBLEkiD: folds tejak: folds PkrClc: calls $0.25 Polly2007: folds Mr_qld: checks ----- FLOP ----- [4d Jc Kh] Mr_qld: checks kollega: checks PkrClc: checks ----- TURN ----- [4d Jc Kh][2s] Mr_qld: bets $0.40 kollega: folds PkrClc: raises to $1.50 Mr_qld: calls $1.10 ----- RIVER ----- [4d Jc Kh 2s][Ks] Mr_qld: bets $2 PkrClc: raises to $10 and is all-in Mr_qld: calls $8 ----- SHOW DOWN ----- PkrClc: shows [Jh Jd] (A Full House, Jacks full of Kings) Mr_qld: shows [Kc Qh] (Three of a kind, Kings, Queen high) PkrClc collected $22.75 from Main pot

[Jimany]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game 1st Hand: Like GotaFancy said, calling UTG with QJ is undisciplined as he put it. The only hands i might limp with in 1st position would be small pairs (if i was on a loose passive table), maybe AJ, but definitely folding anything smaller. If you face a reraise, you're at best a 50/50, most likely dominated & out of position. Thats the main reasoning behind such tight requirements playing UTG. GotaFancy pretty much summed up the hand. 2nd Hand: You should've raised more yes. Raising to 3xBB isn't anywhere near enough to scare out loose opponents calling with a weak Ace, especially UTG as you've got so many players to get through. Making it 5/6xBB would be the raise i'd be looking to make here. Also on the flop, a raise instead of on the turn will usually save you a bet, as you're finding out where you are now, before you put more money in. If he just calls, most of the time he's scared of you and you're probably gonna get a free card at least. If he reraises, you're beat and have to let it go. 3rd Hand: You played it well. Flopped a monster, open ended, nutflush draw & 2 overcards, if dvdmand didn't raise it, it'd be up to you to build the pot. You've hit tptk on the turn, but with 4 to a straight you're not too safe, but you have 2 draws to the nuts, a non heart K or any club, good decision in just calling. Hit the nuts on the river and wahey got all his chips in the middle :nana 4th Hand: Slowplaying this mightn't have been the greatest idea. You should've definitely bet out with top pair with a strong kicker on the flop. Opponent does a good job in slowplaying it though, gave you a free card reassuring you that you have the best hand, not too big a raise on the turn & when you hit trips on the river it was probably too late to get out. Luckily you didn't lose too much money on it.

[scarface1975]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game Crouch your play is very 'novicey' but you're asking the right questions,best to get poker tracker str8 away you'll be able to analyse your play and become a better player from the start. I started out not using pokertracker and although I have it now play more by feel and knowledge of my opponents notes like tight and loose are good enough for me, but I have played probably 5,000 hrs of online poker in the last couple of yrs. Good luck Sir:ok.

[Jimany]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game Might i suggest you purchase the following book Crouch? It's The Theory of Poker by David Sklansky. It's the most in-depth book i've read on poker, definitely worth the read and it will really open your eyes on the game. http://www.amazon.com/Theory-Poker-David-Sklansky/dp/1880685000/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-5383061-3935968?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175208270&sr=8-1 Here is a breakdown of the chapter titles from my own copy; 1: Beyond Poker Playing 2: Expectation & Hourly Rate 3: The Fundamental Theorem of Poker 4: The Ante Structure 5: Pot Odds 6: Effective Odds 7: Implied Odds & Reverse Implied Odds 8: The Value of Deception 9: Win the Big Pots Right Away 10: The Free Card 11: The Semi-Bluff 12: Defense Against the Semi-Bluff 13: Raising 14: Check-Raising 15: Slowplaying 16: Loose & Tight Play 17: Position 18: Bluffing 19: Game Theory & Bluffing 20: Inducing & Stopping Bluffs 21: Heads-Up On The End 22: Reading Hands 23: The Psychology of Poker 24: Analysis at the Table 25: Evaluating the Game Each chapter has around 5-10 subsections going into alot of detail. It's definitely worth the purchase!

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game Thanks for the info. I'll definitely look into Sklansky. I've got I think Super System 2 around which I've just started reading, so I'll probably finish that first. Poker Tracker definitely seems a wise investment though.

[Jimany]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game

Thanks for the info. I'll definitely look into Sklansky. I've got I think Super System 2 around which I've just started reading' date=' so I'll probably finish that first. Poker Tracker definitely seems a wise investment though.[/quote'] Have only got the 1st Super System, but im not a fan of Doyle's at all. He plays far too aggressive, wants to bet/raise everything. Just had a look at the 1st one and Sklansky is one of the contributors to it (so maybe the 2nd also?). He is the #1 gambling author in the world however, lot of respect for the guy. You'll also find some of his videos on the net. Think i downloaded a few off limewire about a year ago, though i'd imagine they might be on youtube now though, ill have a quick look there :ok Edit: No joy!

[H-Bomb]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game I think Super System is great for developing an aggressive cash game, so when you're at a passive table, go into Super System mode and start steamrollering them. It's not so great for tournaments, but never mind. Subsequently, if you have a good aggressive game, you also need a good tight game so that when you're at an aggressive table, you can become a rock and pick up monster pots when you have the nuts. Sklansky is good for that and the basic theorem behind Harrington's work is fine for it as well (even thought it's for tournament play, you can make it work in cash games in terms of position and whatnot.) Bit of quick analysis from me: Hand one: Don't like the initial play with it. Full handed NL table, I muck the hand. You ended up dominated, which will happen if you're calling raises with two face cards. Luckily you hit, but I wouldn't want to get into that situation when, after the flop, you can easily put your opponent on anything ranging from K-Q, to Q-Q (not after the turn obviously) or K-K and Aces. Late position, it's fine, IMO, but not UTG. You need strength. The way I look at it is (after reading about Chris Ferguson, Andy Bloch and others of the computer system approach), if I'm first into a pot, I will be raising. Now, with that way of thinking, since I'm first to act, I wouldn't be raising with that hand, so it would be an insta-fold for me. But GaF summed the hand up nicely, but I thought I'd add my two pennies and give a bit of advice when opening up the betting.

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game Thanks for the continued input :ok Another hand from now, I'm pretty sure I've slipped up somewhere here... ----- Seat 1: Jam220462 ($19.75 in chips) Seat 2: Mr_qld ($24.50 in chips) Seat 3: Ghecman sits out Seat 4: Cruddy ($24.90 in chips) Seat 5: Mitch324 ($8.90 in chips) Seat 6: kollega ($25.40 in chips) Seat 7: Jefro02 ($14.70 in chips) Seat 8: gAmBLEkiD ($15.13 in chips) Seat 9: HanSolo ($17.20 in chips) Seat 10: Magpie125 ($19.45 in chips) Cruddy: posts small blind $0.15 Mitch324: posts big blind $0.25 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to Mr_qld [Tc Th] kollega: folds Jefro02: folds gAmBLEkiD: folds HanSolo: folds Magpie125: calls $0.25 Jam220462: folds Mr_qld: raises to $1.25 Cruddy: folds Mitch324: calls $1 Magpie125: folds ----- FLOP ----- [Ks Jc 6d] Mitch324: bets $0.50 Mr_qld: raises to $2.50 Mitch324: calls $2 ----- TURN ----- [Ks Jc 6d][Kc] Mitch324: bets $5.15 and is all-in Mr_qld: folds Returned uncalled bets $5.15 to Mitch324 Mitch324: doesn't show hand Mitch324 collected $7.55 from Main pot Had only just joined the table so no read as such. I thought the raise on the flop compared to the size of the pot was a little suspect but wasn't really able to make out what I should have been suspecting.

[Tom Hedonist]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game Have a look at this thread for a discussion about playing hands like pocket tens in late position, before the flop. As usual, GaF seems to have the best answer :notworthy

[Jimany]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game

I'm pretty sure I've slipped up somewhere here... . . . . Had only just joined the table so no read as such. I thought the raise on the flop compared to the size of the pot was a little suspect but wasn't really able to make out what I should have been suspecting.

I think you've played this quite well. Raise preflop, blind probably calls you with a weak King. You raise the pot on the flop, find out where you are when the 2nd King hits on the turn when he pushes in. You could've just as easily had AK/JJ in this position & cleaned him out.

[GaF]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game Super System is a very poor book, IMO for beginners...... the strategies are for more experienced players, and higher level games ..... I simply dont believe they will work at low limits where people WILL call you ..... wonder if Doyle Brunson has ever played 1c/2c poker :tongue2 (He should .... I think it would be educational for him ;-) )

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game Ok, thanks for that GaF. I might shelve it for a bit then. Been sitting here for 2hrs playing and I'm down 65c. I think I just raised for the time in a good 45mins to take down a 90c pot :unsure

[scarface1975]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game

Crouch I've found that when playing at very low limits when you have the "nuts" bet your hand hard you'll find more often than not that players will call you with rediculous hands by doing this you'll maximise your profits.

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game Thanks for the advice mate. Unfortunately the best hand I saw all night was JJ and only the once. Hit trips once but all hearts on the board and had to give it up. Finished up 65c I think from the 3hrs. I felt though that if I had been better at using position and table image to my advantage then I could have made more.

[Jimany]

Re: Some Hands from my first Cash Game

Thanks for the advice mate. Unfortunately the best hand I saw all night was JJ and only the once. Hit trips once but all hearts on the board and had to give it up. Finished up 65c I think from the 3hrs. I felt though that if I had been better at using position and table image to my advantage then I could have made more.

I dont think there was too much you could've done, on low blind ring games players take very little notice of table image. This is why i fully back scarface's reply in betting hard will reel them in nice & easy without too much of a struggle.

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Pretty simple pondering here - Did I raise a sub-optimal amount? Far more callers than I wanted, but I thought my raise was sizable enough :unsure ***** Hand 577571609 ***** 0.05/0.10 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - Friday, 6 April 2007 5:29:24 AM TH Mini 64 (Real /Cash Game ) Seat 1: zeus2300 (8.05) Seat 2: Papik.s (2.37) Seat 3: fredm (7.98) Seat 4: kumite611 (12.39) Seat 5: Timo Tiger (5.60) Seat 6: t38 (1.70) Seat 7: chllngmetx (9.90) Seat 8: NegodNiC (6.65) Seat 9: LastGamer (12.43) Seat 10: Brabham (12.04) zeus2300 post SB 0.05 Papik.s post BB 0.10 ** Deal ** zeus2300 [N/A, N/A] Papik.s [N/A, N/A] fredm [N/A, N/A] kumite611 [N/A, N/A] Timo Tiger [N/A, N/A] t38 [N/A, N/A] chllngmetx [N/A, N/A] NegodNiC [N/A, N/A] LastGamer [N/A, N/A] Brabham [As, Ad] *** Bet Round 1 *** fredm Call 0.10 kumite611 Call 0.10 Timo Tiger Call 0.10 t38 Fold chllngmetx Call 0.10 NegodNiC Call 0.10 LastGamer Fold Brabham Raise to 0.70 zeus2300 Fold Papik.s Fold fredm Call 0.70 kumite611 Call 0.70 Timo Tiger Call 0.70 chllngmetx Call 0.70 NegodNiC Call 0.70 ---- Maybe being on the button I could have represented a donkey all-in steal?

[happyhornet]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Crouchie, I think anyone calling a 7x BB raise without AA or KK is probably mad! Unfortunately at this level, it sometimes happens.:wall

[Tom Hedonist]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread

Maybe being on the button I could have represented a donkey all-in steal?

I really don't like this option pre flop. I feel you're minimising your profit, as all you're likely to pick up is the Blinds. And you're maximising your losses, as the maniac still might call you with his pocket sixes. Unless you know the table is *really* loose, I don't think you can do much more than you did (7 x the BB in late position, to a table of limpers. If that doesn't put them off, nothing will!) At that price, I'd love that many callers every time I had pocket Aces. You won't win every time, but according to the percentages, you'll get paid off in the long run. Try and find a Hold Em Odds Calculator, and when/if you suffer a bad beat, run the hand through it and see if the odds were in your favour at each step of the hand. I've found it a really good way of turning a negative, into a positive outlook :tongue2 BTW, what was the outcome of the hand? :dude / :cry ??? The other day I saw AA beaten by AA, when the latter found a runner, runner, runner, runner flush :rollin

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread

BTW, what was the outcome of the hand? :dude / :cry ???

*** Flop(Board): *** : [4d, 6c, Kc] *** Bet Round 2 *** fredm Check kumite611 Check Timo Tiger Check chllngmetx Check NegodNiC Check Brabham All-in 11.34 fredm Fold kumite611 Fold Timo Tiger Fold chllngmetx All-in 9.20 NegodNiC Fold *** Turn(Board): *** : [4d, 6c, Kc, 10h] *** River(Board): *** : [4d, 6c, Kc, 10h, 5s] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 1.00 Total Pot: 21.75 chllngmetx [2c, Ac] Highest card ace Win :0.00 Brabham [As, Ad] Pair of aces Win :21.75 Post flop I didn't really have any dramas with what I did, so was mainly interested in the critique on pf. What I really should do is invest in Poker tracker and make a proper sign up to a site for Cash Games (only signed up to S Odds for the PL MTT thing)

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Or maybe I should stick with S Odds. Dealt Aces 3 times in the last 100 hands or so :loon

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Alright, decided to start playing at Pokerstars. I figure being a very popular site there'll always be ring games going, they have some okay programs but offer a shit bonus, which I figure is perfect. At micro limits I'm not going to be earning enough rake to clear big bonuses, so I figure there's no point going to a site that offers a big one. So anyway, stuck $50US in and will hope to clear the bonus. I might try Ferguson's bankroll management system, never buying in for more than 5% when I can help it, but decided I want the maximum buy in each time. Feels a bit weird playing at 01/02c when to be honest I've been going pretty well at the 15c/25c on Willhill having basically had 9/10 profitable sessions, but I figure I'll give this bankroll management thing a try. Hopefully I can turn it into more and move up the limits so I can start bonus whoring. A big :ok to everyone who responded in this thread.

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Can't take a trick today. Some poor calls, some good folds and some pretty bad luck. Hit trips but outkicked, make a straight on a four-to-the flush and trips by river donkeys. Feels like a complete waste of time to have bothered trying to start as such low limits. The worst of the lot: PokerStars Game #9452261185: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2007/04/16 - 13:05:35 (ET) Table 'Renate' 9-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: ZiptheLip ($1.56 in chips) Seat 2: grilli0 ($0.94 in chips) Seat 3: Justin21M ($1.99 in chips) Seat 4: S-E-O-4-hire ($5.29 in chips) Seat 5: Deal-Me-End ($3.20 in chips) Seat 6: Kallfactor ($1.34 in chips) Seat 7: 1LBS ($0.28 in chips) Seat 8: SchackySPN ($2.52 in chips) Seat 9: -ME- ($5.32 in chips) Justin21M: posts small blind $0.01 S-E-O-4-hire: posts big blind $0.02 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to -ME- [Kc Kh] Deal-Me-End: folds Kallfactor: calls $0.02 1LBS: calls $0.02 SchackySPN: folds -ME-: raises $0.08 to $0.10 ZiptheLip: folds grilli0: folds Justin21M: calls $0.09 S-E-O-4-hire: folds Kallfactor: folds 1LBS: folds *** FLOP *** [8h 7d Kd] Justin21M: bets $0.20 -ME-: calls $0.20 *** TURN *** [8h 7d Kd] [3s] Justin21M: bets $0.46 -ME-: raises $4.56 to $5.02 and is all-in Justin21M: calls $1.23 and is all-in *** RIVER *** [8h 7d Kd 3s] [4d] *** SHOW DOWN *** Justin21M: shows [Jd Ad] (a flush, Ace high) -ME-: shows [Kc Kh] (three of a kind, Kings) Justin21M collected $3.84 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $4.04 | Rake $0.20 Board [8h 7d Kd 3s 4d] Seat 1: ZiptheLip folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: grilli0 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Justin21M (small blind) showed [Jd Ad] and won ($3.84) with a flush, Ace high Seat 4: S-E-O-4-hire (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 5: Deal-Me-End folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: Kallfactor folded before Flop Seat 7: 1LBS folded before Flop Seat 8: SchackySPN folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: showed [Kc Kh] and lost with three of a kind, Kings

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread One from earlier than that, hate kings! To be fair though, this was a bad call. After the check on the turn I just didn't feel he had an ace, but he could just as easily have hit his flush: PokerStars Game #9449313834: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2007/04/16 - 07:42:52 (ET) Table 'Renate' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: 4phil4 ($1.02 in chips) Seat 2: .357-Blammer ($3.60 in chips) Seat 3: ionut_steaua ($1.99 in chips) Seat 6: Rozsi ($5.39 in chips) Seat 7: kshef ($4.97 in chips) Seat 8: SchackySPN ($3.62 in chips) Seat 9: -ME- ($4.51 in chips) DanTheManMF3 will be allowed to play after the button Rozsi: posts small blind $0.01 kshef: posts big blind $0.02 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to -ME-[Kh Ks] SchackySPN: raises $0.02 to $0.04 -ME-: raises $0.04 to $0.08 4phil4: folds .357-Blammer: calls $0.08 ionut_steaua: folds Rozsi: folds kshef: folds SchackySPN: calls $0.04 *** FLOP *** [7h 5h 7s] SchackySPN: bets $0.20 -ME-: raises $0.30 to $0.50 .357-Blammer: folds SchackySPN: calls $0.30 *** TURN *** [7h 5h 7s] [Ah] SchackySPN: checks -ME-: checks *** RIVER *** [7h 5h 7s Ah] [4d] SchackySPN: bets $1 -ME-: calls $1 *** SHOW DOWN *** SchackySPN: shows [Ac Ad] (a full house, Aces full of Sevens) -ME-: mucks hand SchackySPN collected $3.12 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $3.27 | Rake $0.15 Board [7h 5h 7s Ah 4d] Seat 1: 4phil4 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: .357-Blammer folded on the Flop Seat 3: ionut_steaua (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: Rozsi (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 7: kshef (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 8: SchackySPN showed [Ac Ad] and won ($3.12) with a full house, Aces full of Sevens Seat 9: mucked [Kh Ks]

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Not really much of a point to this one, except that it was KK again; PokerStars Game #9452620186: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2007/04/16 - 13:35:54 (ET) Table 'Renate' 9-max Seat #8 is the button Seat 2: grilli0 ($1.75 in chips) Seat 3: Justin21M ($2 in chips) Seat 4: S-E-O-4-hire ($8.31 in chips) Seat 5: AIXCAV ($4.91 in chips) Seat 6: pokersean420 ($0.81 in chips) Seat 7: 1LBS ($1.45 in chips) Seat 8: JDVegas5 ($3.75 in chips) Seat 9: -ME- ($2.65 in chips) DeuceHighOz: posts small blind $0.01 grilli0: posts big blind $0.02 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to -ME- [Kd Kc] CLAIREB joins the table at seat #1 Justin21M: folds S-E-O-4-hire: folds AIXCAV: folds pokersean420: raises $0.06 to $0.08 1LBS: folds JDVegas5: calls $0.08 -ME-: raises $0.12 to $0.20 grilli0: folds pokersean420: folds JDVegas5: folds -ME- collected $0.26 from pot -ME-: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $0.26 | Rake $0 Seat 2: grilli0 (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 3: Justin21M folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: S-E-O-4-hire folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: AIXCAV folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: pokersean420 folded before Flop Seat 7: 1LBS folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: JDVegas5 (button) folded before Flop Seat 9: (small blind) collected ($0.26)

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Re: Crouchie's Question Thread pretty good apart from hand 2:ok hand 1 you had a bit of bad luck on the river when you were a strong favorite on the turn.as long as you have the best odds when the money goes in, your doing the right thing hand 2 is all ok till you hit the turn,i dont expect the villan has a 7 but he called a sizeable reraise on the flop ,so i would usually expect that he must have something pretty good . with the ace of hearts on the turn i would be pretty sure i was behind and would probably put in a smallish bet (third of pot) enough to see if he really has something . this sort of bet would give you a bit more info that saves you the extra 70c that you spent on the river any reraise id fold ,if he called i would be wary on the river and would not call anything but a small bet. at least you didnt hit a heart on the river coz a nut flush would have probably cost you more than a extra dollar;) hand 3 i think your raise is just about perfect ,not enough to get rid of a very good hand(qs, js or 10s would be nice) but probably enough to get rid of one of your opponents, and with ks i would be a lot happier heads up. its a bit of a shame they both folded but theres never anything wrong with picking up 8xthe bb without haveing to see a flop. with ks as hands 1 and 2 show, better to push hard pre flop and make a safe gain, if not its always a worry your going to get caught with a ace or a draw of some sort.

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Re: Crouchie's Question Thread Thanks for the feedback. I must admit I think I'm going to screw this bankroll management thing to start with. I'd rather lose my $50 deposit than spend all day grinding it on a 1/2c table only to lose.