pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold

[robilaruk]

5 player so this is a bubble play I had dhamka's chips 3 hands ago when I raised with AK and he shoved his BB and had QJ I had been struggling for a while in this game and finally had some chips to play with - so am I calling or letting him have the blinds which he is paying next hands? Thanks Damo LizziePL is at seat 2 with 3950.00 dhamaka is at seat 4 with 730.00 bigsmoky18 is at seat 5 with 2520.00 LizziePL posts the large blind 200.00 bigsmoky18 posts the small blind 100.00 bigsmoky18: --, -- LizziePL: 3s, 4h dhamaka: --, -- Pre-flop: dhamaka: All in bigsmoky18: Fold HERO??????

[morlspin]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold no need to give him extra chips IMO wait yr turn and take him.....

[Masterplan]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold no reason to call ...

[chelskired]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold Fold....lunatic call and a total waste of money!....so I look forward to you showing what you hit when you called :rollin C.R.

[Dave Mardell]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold Pot: 1030 (200+100+730) Call: 530 Odds: 2/1 You fold and set him in next hand (any A, K pair or suited connectors (up to 2 gaps)) when he is in the BB with rags :)

[GaF]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold SnG Power tools has this as a FOLD :ok

[Pocket Lady]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold Fold imo - couldnt justify the chips just because he is small stack.

[voiceofjoe]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold is this a trick question ?? - :unsure

[robilaruk]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold LOL - been asked that before - no its not what do you think I should do and why? cheers Damo

is this a trick question ?? - :unsure

[bigmal76]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold ahh fold!

[robilaruk]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold and your reason is? Damo quote=bigmal76]ahh fold!

[robilaruk]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold and what does that know? can do it the other way around and have me shoving - to see what it says please? I bet its close to +EV thanks Damo ps show off - SNGPT says....... LOL :ok

SnG Power tools has this as a FOLD :ok

[Jaded]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold Gotta fold (admittedly I'm drunk!!!), there'll be far easier hands to take him down on.

[bigmal76]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold

and your reason is? Damo quote=bigmal76]ahh fold!

cause its a crap hand:D.id wait for a better one

[robilaruk]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold crap hand - compared to what exactly? what would you call with? Damo ps promise I am not picking on you, just wondering thats all :) cause its a crap hand:D.id wait for a better one

[GaF]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold

can do it the other way around and have me shoving - to see what it says please?

If you were on the SB and short stack was on the BB then SnGPT has it as a shove, regardless of what shorty's criteria may be for calling.......

[bigmal76]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold

crap hand - compared to what exactly? what would you call with? Damo ps promise I am not picking on you, just wondering thats all :) cause its a crap hand:D.id wait for a better one

you will more than likely be behind.you will more than likely lose the hand and double him up.so why bother.wait for better cards so you are able to push him rather than the other way round.that is my humble opinion :oknow leave me alone.bully someone else now.:D

[robilaruk]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold amazing that isn't it bit like this really - this hand came up as I was reading your reply :) Damo Hand #384671086 at table: 5 Player $10 NL Started: Tue Aug 01 22:53:13 2006 DeVils0wN is at seat 1 with 3980.00 LizziePL is at seat 2 with 695.00 Rovers999 is at seat 3 with 1075.00 tbone44 is at seat 5 with 1600.00 Rovers999 posts the large blind 100.00 LizziePL posts the small blind 50.00 LizziePL: 9h, 3h Rovers999: --, -- tbone44: --, -- DeVils0wN: --, -- Pre-flop: tbone44: Fold DeVils0wN: Fold LizziePL: All in Rovers999: Call 745.00 Showdown: Rovers999 shows: 10h, Ac (high card, Ace) Flop (Board: 3s, 6c, 5h): Turn (Board: 3s, 6c, 5h, 8s): River (Board: 3s, 6c, 5h, 8s, Qs): LizziePL shows: 9h, 3h (a pair of Threes) Mainpot: LizziePL wins the pot of 1490 with a pair of Threes

If you were on the SB and short stack was on the BB then SnGPT has it as a shove' date=' regardless of what shorty's criteria may be for calling.......[/quote']

[robilaruk]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold thanks mal yes not many hands I am in front of not sure about the lose the hand bit tho - I am something like a 70/30 dog and I am getting 2:1 or so to call and it is bubble time so maybe worth taking the 70/30 dog bet Cheers Damo you will more than likely be behind.you will more than likely lose the hand and double him up.so why bother.wait for better cards so you are able to push him rather than the other way round.that is my humble opinion :oknow leave me alone.bully someone else now.:D

[voiceofjoe]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold OK heres my opinion - definite FOLD - what do you expect to beat with 34o ? Why jeopardise your position on the hope of a miracle flop Ther only two hands that you are currently beating are 23o & 24o Even the Pot Odds say no call - You are getting 1030/530 which are as Dave said slightly less than 2/1 If we disregard him having the 2 possible inferior hands and estimate that theres appx 85% of having 2 non-paired overcards, and 15% of having a pair or a hand holding a 4 or 3 . Then this would level out to make you somewhere around a 5/2 chance (28%) - so as well as looking like a bad call - it actually is a bad call :eek

[PokerBarney]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold 43o against a random is 65/35, so you're getting suitable odds. Still.. while part of poker is making sure you get good value for money on your bets, another part is choosing those bets wisely. This is not a wise bet, since a) you're more than likely to double him, b) If you do, you'll have a harder time pushing him around, especially if you shove his BB and he wins, and c) if you fold, you only lose 200 and he only gains 300. In a nutshell, folding will barely affect the situation and table dynamics, whereas calling and losing (most likely) will. Since you'll end up worse off more times than you will end up better off, and folding is relatively better off - Fold!

[robilaruk]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold how about A2 or K2 or A3 or K3 or Q2 or 22 there are a few hands where is a 60/40 rather than 70/30 good reasoning though - just wondering if the bubble play vs calling for a 2:1 dog bet is worth it pokerstove results below for top 10% top 30% top 60% and top 90% hands its a lot closer that people think esp if he is shoving top 50%+ (which he probably is) Damo -- 222,599,520 games 0.266 secs 836,840,300 games/sec Board: Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 28.8135 % 28.50% 00.31% { 4h3s } Hand 2: 71.1865 % 70.87% 00.31% { 88+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo } --- --- 681,496,992 games 0.797 secs 855,077,781 games/sec Board: Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 31.7471 % 31.30% 00.45% { 4h3s } Hand 2: 68.2529 % 67.80% 00.45% { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o } --- --- 1,321,898,688 games 1.578 secs 837,705,125 games/sec Board: Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 33.1399 % 32.24% 00.90% { 4h3s } Hand 2: 66.8601 % 65.96% 00.90% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T3s+, 95s+, 85s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, A2o+, K2o+, Q5o+, J7o+, T7o+, 97o+, 87o } --- --- 1,905,794,352 games 2.234 secs 853,086,102 games/sec Board: Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 34.1156 % 31.94% 02.18% { 4h3s } Hand 2: 65.8844 % 63.71% 02.18% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J2o+, T2o+, 93o+, 84o+, 74o+, 64o+, 53o+ } ---

OK heres my opinion - definite FOLD - what do you expect to beat with 34o ? Why jeopardise your position on the hope of a miracle flop Ther only two hands that you are currently beating are 23o & 24o Even the Pot Odds say no call - You are getting 1030/530 which are as Dave said slightly less than 2/1 If we disregard him having the 2 possible inferior hands and estimate that theres appx 85% of having 2 non-paired overcards, and 15% of having a pair or a hand holding a 4 or 3 . Then this would level out to make you somewhere around a 5/2 chance (28%) - so as well as looking like a bad call - it actually is a bad call :eek

[robilaruk]

Re: pop quiz (part VII) - Call or fold now that I like - common sense and balls to the pot odds close call for me in the end - but I folded (gasp, yes me folding when i usually call;) ) in the end I saw only 2:1 to call, 2.5:1 and my chips are in at this point - what really swung it for me was that he was on the BB next hand rather than the button and being able to shove again for a 'decent' amount - if he had been the SB this hand I would have called, but the BB knackers him and he is ALL In with any two against two of us, rather than shoving the button and one of us having to call hoping the other does too or folding hoping the other one calls etc Thanks all for the replies Damo ps for the newbies here I have posted a few more like this if you want to have a search and have a thunk about these kind of calls :ok they are all under 'pop quiz'

43o against a random is 65/35, so you're getting suitable odds. Still.. while part of poker is making sure you get good value for money on your bets, another part is choosing those bets wisely. This is not a wise bet, since a) you're more than likely to double him, b) If you do, you'll have a harder time pushing him around, especially if you shove his BB and he wins, and c) if you fold, you only lose 200 and he only gains 300. In a nutshell, folding will barely affect the situation and table dynamics, whereas calling and losing (most likely) will. Since you'll end up worse off more times than you will end up better off, and folding is relatively better off - Fold!