Guest fender2004 Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 STARTING BANK 442 PTS. The aim is to make a profit by betting for a run of 7 days using a 3 level increment staking plan. Covering trap 3 & trap 4 once they go 13 days without winning any one of the 8 races I follow. A point is worth £10 to me at present, anybody following this system can adjust to suit their pocket. Aprils bets & results. The 1st qualifier trap4 qualified the 30th of MARCH AFTER 13 DAYS NO SHOW IN RACE 1 11.26am Day14, 3pts result lost Day15, 3.75pts result lost Day16, 5.25pts result lost Day17, 6pts result won at 6/1=42pts-18pts=24pts profit The 2nd qualifier trap4 qualified the 31st of MARCH AFTER 13 DAYS NO SHOW IN RACE 2 11.34am Day14, 3pts result lost Day15, 3.75pts result lost Day16, 5.25pts result lost Day17, 6pts result won at 7/2=27pts-18pts=9pts profit The 3rd qualifier trap4 qualified the 1st of APRIL AFTER 13 DAYS NO SHOW IN RACE 3 11.41am Day14, 3pts result won at 3/1=12pts-3pts=9pts profit The 4th qualifier trap4 qualified the 10th of APRIL AFTER 13 DAYS NO SHOW IN RACE 4 11.48am Day14, 1pt result lost Day15, 1.25pts result lost Day16, 1.75pts result lost Day17, 2pts result lost Day18, 3pts result lost Day19, 4.5pts result lost Day20, 6.5pts result won at 5/2=22.75pts-20pts=2.75pts profit I used a lower staking level (1/3 of my usual) on the fourth qualifier as I am now expecting trap 4 to lose after winning 10 times consecutively in the 4 races I follow in the morning in 2004. I will continue at this level until I suffer a losing run for trap 4 in the morning races. That is a profit of 44.75pts so far in April, Bringing my total betting bank up to a total of 486.75pts at present. Watch this space for future qualifiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CJ Mars Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Re: The Timeline System in ACTION. (Stage 1) I am concerned about 8 races each day. The times are as follows Monday to Friday. (11.26am) (11.34am) (11.41am) (11.48am) (13.48pm) (13.58pm) (2.08pm) (2.18pm) Hi Fender I’m going to try this again but I have a few more questions if you don’t mind? Firstly in the quote above you mention the race times as above. Some of the morning meets do not start at the same time. For example Romford starts at 11 and Crayford 11.07. Perry Bar and Hove morning races start at 12.21 and 12.28 respectively but in both cases the Romford / Crayford paired meets and the Perry Bar / Hove paired meets are the first of the day. Do they qualify for the 8 races above since they are the first 2 meets (and 8 races) of the day? A past qualifying bet in April - Clarification You mention above getting a winner from Trap 4 race 4 which you say The 4th qualifier trap4 qualified the 10th of APRIL AFTER 13 DAYS NO SHOW IN RACE 4 11.48am According to my records (taken from Powers) the dog in Trap 4 race 4 (11.48) that you mention above won on the 28th And then did not win for 19 RACING days. It won on 17th at Crayford with a 5/2 shot (that you mention above). There was not any greyhounds racing Good Friday but you have included the day as a day of racing and started the run on 10th (whereas I would have started on the 11th). Is this an error? In the stakeing plan you mention you would have had a winner after 5 days and not 6 and made an extra 4.5 points profit by saving the sixth day’s stake. A current qualifying bet you have not mentioned? Again according to my records trap 4 race 8 has not won in 15 days (since Wimbeldon on 6th April yet you have not mentioned this as qualifying? -------------------------------------------------------- For anyone who is interested the tests on the end dates of the winning bets above show they were valid and the only error I could find was in an UNDERSTATEMENT of profit rather than OVERSTATEMENT by in my opinion not applying his own rules. Again tiny sample size but a profit nonetheless. Awaiting your replies with interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lufc Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Re: The Timeline System in ACTION. HTML Comments are not allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lufc Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Re: The Timeline System in ACTION. ffs took me ages to type that out :P Oh well here i go again... Firstly in the quote above you mention the race times as above. Some of the morning meets do not start at the same time. For example Romford starts at 11 and Crayford 11.07. Perry Bar and Hove morning races start at 12.21 and 12.28 respectively but in both cases the Romford / Crayford paired meets and the Perry Bar / Hove paired meets are the first of the day. Do they qualify for the 8 races above since they are the first 2 meets (and 8 races) of the day? 11:26am - 11:00am Sat - 12:21pm Sun 11:34am - 11:07am Sat - 12:28pm Sun 11:41am - 11:16am Sat - 12:38pm Sun 11:48am - 11:23am Sat - 12:44pm Sun 1:48pm - 1st Race Brough Park Sat (2:04pm usually) - 2:21pm Sun 1:58pm - 2nd Race Brough Park Sat (2:24pm usually) - 2:28pm Sun 2:08pm - 3rd Race Brough Park Sat (2:42pm usually) - 2:35pm Sun 2:18pm - 4th Race Brough Park Sat (2:58pm usually) - 2:44pm Sun Hope this helps :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fender2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Re: The Timeline System in ACTION. You are correct CJ, when there is a day with no racing I simply drop a day back in time-scale. Because I use a chart with all the days of the month on it. And an 8 box grid to record the results as they happen. The reason I named my system the timeline is because it is just that to look at graphically. Once trap 3 or 4 goes 13 days no show, I shade the boxes across the month to highlight its qualification, and begin monitoring its progress. That qualifier you think I have missed. What time is it. In my 8 races there are no qualifiers at present. Also yes, the weekend has different times for the morning & afternoon. Monday to Friday the first 4 races are, 11.26am,11.34am,11.41am & 11.48am. On Saturday they're 11.00am,11.07am,11.16am & 11.23am. On Sunday they're 12.21pm,12.28pm,12.35pm & 12.44pm. Usually. They can change slightly at different times of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fender2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Re: The Timeline System in ACTION. OMG Lufc, you really do understand my system, you know the times better than I do Lol. Thanks for helping CJ out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CJ Mars Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Re: The Timeline System in ACTION. The final run of the first 8 (i.e 12.16 in the week card) does not seem to have won in 16 days ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fender2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Re: The Timeline System in ACTION. CJ I don't follow that race, that's why I haven't noticed it. In the week days these are the 8 race times I follow. 11.26am mornng 11.34am morning 11.41am morning 11.48am morning 1.48pm afternoon 1.58pm afternoon 2.08pm afternoon 2.18pm afternoon So That represents 4 races in the morning & 4 in the afternoon. I don't know if you want to bet on that one or not. If its 16 days not out. It has four days to come inside my system. I must warn you though CJ. Over the 8 races I follow, trap 4 hasn't lost once this year from 17 qualifiers. So I expect one to lose anytime soon. Watch this space... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CJ Mars Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Re: The Timeline System in ACTION. Ok crsytal clear now!! Ishould be betting on this then!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fender2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Re: The Timeline System in ACTION. I would suggest you follow my times cj, history shows them to be very consistent. It will be of interest to see what happens to trap 4 in that race though cj. If it goes beyond 20 days, it will give me more confidence to bet more on the next qualifier in my races. That could be trap 4 in the 11.34am, 11.07 saturday & 12.28 sunday. At present its 11 days no show. So if it doesn't come out over the weekend, let the games begin. Kindest regards fender... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ValueBet Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 Dice fender2004 So I throw a dice 13 times and the '6' doesn't show. What makes it more likely to show on throw 14? Does it know about the previous throws? VB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DannyCash Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 ValueBet Valuebet - I suggest you delve deep into the other 3 threads on here titled - The Timeline (greyhound) system, Mastering the Long Losing Run and The Timeline Tested. You will soon see you are not alone in your thinking. I myself have resigned from discussing this 'system' anymore with Fender. WARNING: You may require an Anadin or something stronger if you go ahead and read these threads. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fender2004 Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 Re: Dice Value bet I have no Idea. I wouldn't touch a casino game like craps with a barge pole. The only game in a casino even worth considering if you're looking to make some money systematically is Blackjack. The house edge is low, and you've more control over the outcome. I have said it before and I'll say it again. There is no comparison between a game of chance & A real life flesh & blood sport. You will just have to follow my system and come back to me a year down the road, and see what you think about it then. But in the mean-time I have a question for you. What is the chance of throwing a pair of dice 120 times and 6 coming up 33 times ? That is the strike rate that has occured so far this year with the traps I am concerned about in the Timeline system... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ValueBet Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Dice A dice, or a pair of dice? VB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DannyCash Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Timeline Were there any qualifying meetings today (Saturday 24th April) ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DannyCash Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Re: Timeline Another question, what happens if trap 3 and trap 4 fail to show for 13 days in one of your races? Do you chase trap 3, trap 4, both or neither? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fender2004 Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Re: Timeline Good question Danny, I would treat them as two separate qualifiers & proceed to back them both. The funny thing is this hasn't happenned in the 4.3 years of analysis I have covered. I believe because they're both very consistent performers within the rules of my system, when one isn't winning the other one usually is. Regarding current qualifiers, Today trap 4 in race 2 (11.34am) became the latest qualifier now 13 days no show. So betting on that one begins tommorow. I am currently using my lowest level staking plan (total risk over 7 bets 20pts) because I am expecting a losing run for trap 4 any time now. Trap 4 has qualified 16 times so far this year and won 16 times. A stunning performance. I need 5 wins to every loss to make profit on average. Trap 3 has performed 1 better with 17 qualifiers and 17 wins. A stunning win to loss ratio of 33-0 Something has to give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DannyCash Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Re: Timeline Fender I'm glad you're no longer GUARANTEEING us winners! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fender2004 Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Re: Timeline I don't gaurantee winners Danny. I will suffer losing runs. How I would now put it is like this. It is highly unlightly that I will ever finish a year without making profit. It may vary from year to year. But the strike rate is so high that it is hard to see money being lost. The win to loss ratio would have to suddenly drop from 12-1 to 3-1. And with a win to loss ratio of 33-0 already this year that is extremley unlightly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fender2004 Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Re: The Timeline System in ACTION. STARTING BANK 486.75PTS Staking level 1 (Total risk 20pts over 7 bets) Current value of a point = £10 Aprils bets & results. The 5th qualifier Trap4 qualified the 25th of April AFTER 13 DAYS NO SHOW IN RACE 2 11.34am DAY14, 1pt result lost DAY15, 1.25pts result lost DAY16, 1.75pts result lost DAY17, 2pts result lost DAY18, 3pts result lost DAY19, 4.5pts result lost DAY20, 6.5pts result lost = A losing run of 20pts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fender2004 Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Re: The Timeline System in ACTION. As April comes to a close, I suspect trap 4 in race 2 (11.34am) will become my first losing run for trap 3 & 4 in 2004. I cannot complain as their performance in the first third of the year has been staggering. April has been a quite month for qualifiers, only 5. Compared to 13 in January. Here are the results for the first four months of 2004. 01 TRAP3 03/01/04 DAY 19 PRICE 4/1 02 TRAP4 04/01/04 DAY 16 PRICE 2/1 03 TRAP3 06/01/04 DAY 14 PRICE 3/1 04 TRAP4 16/01/04 DAY 15 PRICE 4/1 05 TRAP3 16/01/04 DAY 15 PRICE 5/1 06 TRAP3 16/01/04 DAY 14 PRICE 4/1 07 TRAP4 16/01/04 DAY 15 PRICE 4/1 08 TRAP4 17/01/04 DAY 15 PRICE 5/2 09 TRAP4 18/01/04 DAY 14 PRICE 7/1 10 TRAP3 21/01/04 DAY 14 PRICE 5/2 11 TRAP4 23/01/04 DAY 16 PRICE 4/1 12 TRAP4 26/01/04 DAY 17 PRICE 7/4 13 TRAP3 31/01/04 DAY 15 PRICE 5/2 ============================== 14 TRAP3 02/02/04 DAY 15 PRICE 11/4 15 TRAP4 05/02/04 DAY 17 PRICE 5/1 16 TRAP4 08/02/04 DAY 20 PRICE 7/2 17 TRAP4 13/02/04 DAY 16 PRICE 9/4 18 TRAP3 15/02/04 DAY 15 PRICE 7/2 19 TRAP3 17/02/04 DAY 20 PRICE 2/1 20 TRAP4 20/02/04 DAY 15 PRICE 4/1 21 TRAP3 21/02/04 DAY 18 PRICE 2/1 22 TRAP3 23/02/04 DAY 17 PRICE 7/2 23 TRAP3 25/02/04 DAY 16 PRICE 5/1 ============================== 24 TRAP4 07/03/04 DAY 16 PRICE 6/1 25 TRAP3 10/03/04 DAY 16 PRICE 6/4 26 TRAP3 13/03/04 DAY 20 PRICE 2/1 27 TRAP3 21/03/04 DAY 19 PRICE 6/1 28 TRAP3 22/03/04 DAY 14 PRICE 2/1 29 TRAP4 28/03/04 DAY 16 PRICE 9/4 30 TRAP3 29/03.04 DAY 14 PRICE 6/4 ============================== 31 TRAP4 02/04/04 DAY 14 PRICE 3/1 32 TRAP4 03/04/04 DAY 17 PRICE 6/1 33 TRAP4 04/04/04 DAY 17 PRICE 7/2 34 TRAP4 17/04/04 DAY 20 PRICE 5/2 ============================== An incredible win to loss ratio of 34-0, I require an annual win to loss ratio of approx 84-14 or 6-1 for my system to make decent profit. So at present it's performing way beyond my expectancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fender2004 Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 Re: The Timeline System in ACTION. STARTING BANK 473.25PTS Staking level 3 (total risk 60pts over 7 bets) Current value of a point = £10 Mays bets & results. The 1st qualifier Trap3 qualified the 30th of April AFTER 13 DAYS NO SHOW IN RACE 8 (2.18pm) DAY14, 3pts result won at 3/1=12pts-3pts=9pts profit CURRENT BANK = 482.25PTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fender2004 Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Re: The Timeline System in ACTION. STARTING BANK 482.25PTS Staking level 2 (Total risk 40pts over 7 bets) Current value of a point = £10 Mays bets & results. The 2nd qualifier Trap3 qualified the 2nd of MAY AFTER 13 DAYS NO SHOW IN RACE 3 (11.41AM) DAY14, 2pts result lost DAY15, 2.5pts result lost DAY16, 3.5pts result won at 4/1=17.5pts-8pts=9.5pts profit CURRENT BANK = 491.75pts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fender2004 Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 Re: The Timeline System in ACTION. STARTING BANK 491.75PTS Staking level 1 (Total risk 20pts over 7 bets) Current value of a point = £10 Mays bets & results. The 3rd qualifier Trap3 qualified the 6th of MAY AFTER 13 DAYS NO SHOW IN RACE 1 (11.26AM) DAY14, 1pt result lost DAY15, 1.25pts result lost DAY16, 1.75pts result lost DAY17, 2pts result lost DAY18, 3pts result lost DAY19, 4.5pts result lost DAY20, 6.5pts result won at 3/1=26-20=6pts profit CURRENT BANK = 497.25PTS I will be staying at level 1 for trap3 from now on as this incredible performer has a win to loss ratio of 19-0 in 2004 and a losing run is highly lightly from any new qualifiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fender2004 Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Re: The Timeline System in ACTION. STARTING BANK 497.25PTS Staking level 3 (Total risk 60pts over 7 bets) Current value of a point = £10 Mays bets & results. The 4th qualifier Trap4 qualified the 7th of MAY AFTER 13 DAY NO SHOW IN RACE 7 (2.08PM) DAY 14, 3pts result lost DAY 15, 3.75pts result lost DAY 16, 5.25pts result won at 3/1=21-12=9PTS PROFIT STARTING BANK= 442PTS CURRENT BANK = 506.25PTS/64.25PTS PROFIT :drums :drums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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