richard-westwood Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 I use betfair a lot so that helps tbh ....I get so.e really good prices on there...sometimes I feel like Ive mugged them haha.....I could survive on just that so I'm not worried overly lol gbettle and Wildgarden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanV89 Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, richard-westwood said: Definately only 1 .......I'm working long shifts next few days so I just wont have time but I'm off thurs fri so I'll be able to rate all the week ends racing .....I think there will loads of bets ....some fantastic hcaps and the guineas etc .....I'm just gonna get stuck in .....1000pts by sunday night ???....that's the target ??? Well i'm along for the ride!! Look forward to it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgarden Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, richard-westwood said: Definately only 1 .......I'm working long shifts next few days so I just wont have time but I'm off thurs fri so I'll be able to rate all the week ends racing .....I think there will loads of bets ....some fantastic hcaps and the guineas etc .....I'm just gonna get stuck in .....1000pts by sunday night ???....that's the target ??? hope ur gona stay around after 1000 saves me rating some helps out when we share the load Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 1 minute ago, DanV89 said: I must admit I liked Cosmos myself and then saw it had been backed into 15/8 from 11/2! I actually did all 6 of your selections in ew doubles (only small stakes), so nice return - maybe i'll have to start doing the forecast too!! I think theres been 6 forecasts in 26 bets ...so it's averaging 1 in 5 roughly ...I'll keep an eye on it DanV89 and Wildgarden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanV89 Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 1 minute ago, richard-westwood said: I use betfair a lot so that helps tbh ....I get so.e really good prices on there...sometimes I feel like Ive mugged them haha.....I could survive on just that so I'm not worried overly lol Only thing with the Exchange is you obviously don't get BOG. Not an issue when one is smashed off the boards like Cosmos today but I backed Chookie at 5/1 and got paid out at 8/1 with Bet365. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Just now, Wildgarden said: hope ur gona stay around after 1000 saves me rating some helps out when we share the load Well I was thinking ....paris ?? DanV89 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Just now, DanV89 said: Only thing with the Exchange is you obviously don't get BOG. Not an issue when one is smashed off the boards like Cosmos today but I backed Chookie at 5/1 and got paid out at 8/1 with Bet365. Yeah and me ...but there have been races where I got 10.0 and the horse,won at 11/2 .....I always check on there before I place any bets ....especially big priced horses ....lost count of 16/1 shots being offered at 24.0 on betfair ..its crazy Wildgarden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgarden Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DanV89 said: Only thing with the Exchange is you obviously don't get BOG. Not an issue when one is smashed off the boards like Cosmos today but I backed Chookie at 5/1 and got paid out at 8/1 with Bet365. i always cover with extra whatever stake ur on if drifts to average out not an issue. bog can be removed if getting lots of early decent prices and winning on drifters. i know. Edited April 25, 2021 by Wildgarden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Wildgarden said: hope ur gona stay around after 1000 saves me rating some helps out when we share the load If ......we get to 1000....I'll step it up and really go after them .......a full on war until I get completely banned lol Wildgarden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgarden Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Just now, richard-westwood said: If ......we get to 1000....I'll step it up and really go after them .......a full on war until I get completely banned lol lol like i say best stick to forecast and accas only at bookies imo to last them out longer. annoying how many bookies dont accept reverse forecast accas online. prob better offline for the forecast accas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Wildgarden said: lol like i say best stick to forecast and accas only at bookies imo to last them out longer. annoying how many bookies dont accept reverse forecast accas online. prob better offline for the forecast accas... That's why they are scared of them ....the chance of landing one is very small ....but it's possible.....I dont suppose 4 bets on top 2 in 2 races is a lot at 0.5pt ...(2pts ?) .....it might fluke it one time and woukd pay thousands...I can see 2 coming together one day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Wildgarden said: i always cover with extra whatever stake ur on if drifts to average out not an issue. bog can be removed if getting lots of early decent prices and winning on drifters. i know. See ....youve raised an interesting point there.....I havent even considered laying the bets ....ive totally lost count of selections being well backed like today .....could just lay them fir guaranteed money .....definately an opportunity there.....not big money but it's free money Edited April 25, 2021 by richard-westwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 I will get back to doing prices for the guineas meet .....just been focused on getting the form side right but prices are big part too Wildgarden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgarden Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, richard-westwood said: That's why they are scared of them ....the chance of landing one is very small ....but it's possible.....I dont suppose 4 bets on top 2 in 2 races is a lot at 0.5pt ...(2pts ?) .....it might fluke it one time and woukd pay thousands...I can see 2 coming together one day my friend had £57k from £4 on reverse forecast dogs and horses acca... my best is 800-1 sadly lol gbettle and richard-westwood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgarden Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 21 minutes ago, richard-westwood said: See ....youve raised an interesting point there.....I havent even considered laying the bets ....ive totally lost count of selections being well backed like today .....could just lay them fir guaranteed money .....definately an opportunity there.....not big money but it's free money i dont mean lay. i mean put more cash when drifting. if coming in leave it. pointless trading out when u had value. if u want to trade, look at inplay to trade out. gbettle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgarden Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 23 hours ago, richard-westwood said: 650 winds monday Mitrosonfire 8.9 10/1 Ancient times 8.4 4/1 Perfect signs 7.4 16/1 Billy mill 7.2 9/2 Perfect signs is overpriced and very good value at 16/1 ...but I'll try the top 2 at 4/1 and 10/1 and hope the biggy goes in ....2x10pt wins got kohinoor 11.5 im afraid against urs today richard-westwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Managed to squeeze a rating in 450 punch tues Magic tricks 8.3 8.0 Ruaille buille 7.5 13.5 Champagne gold 6.9 18/1 The mouse doc 6.8 25/1 Very open race ....any number in with chances....just gonna stick with ratings and hope a biggy goes in ...I'm scared of champagne with rachel blackmore on board ...might have a saver myself on that ...2x 10pt wins peanut peanut, Wildgarden and vikki37 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 (edited) On 4/25/2021 at 6:09 PM, richard-westwood said: 650 winds monday Mitrosonfire 8.9 10/1 Ancient times 8.4 4/1 Perfect signs 7.4 16/1 Billy mill 7.2 9/2 Perfect signs is overpriced and very good value at 16/1 ...but I'll try the top 2 at 4/1 and 10/1 and hope the biggy goes in ....2x10pt wins Ancient started slow....finished 4th ..bummer .....current total +591 .00 Edited April 26, 2021 by richard-westwood Wildgarden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate53 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Hi all, not had any time lately to rate any races. Have a bit more time now so will start to rate a few going forward. I've caught up on the thread and have consequently replaced the last winning form rating with my take on the speed figs. I was never happy with the previous form ratings as there was no allowance for lbs below last winning mark. I've been interested in speed for some time so makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for the pointer Richard! With that in mind here's my take on the 15.20 Nottingham tomorrow: Lights On 16.10 11/2 7/4 No value Royal Dynasty 15.49 6/1 11/2 About right Seperate 14.73 13/2 16/1 Value Madame Tantzy 13.31 7/1 15/2 Value Rosa Gold 13.27 7.25/1 7/1 About right Poets Lady 12.57 7.75/1 3/1 No value Top 2 1pt win ea @ BFSP. Can't leave Seperate at that price though don't think it will win. A place bet or ew if still 8 in tomorrow. Like Villa Chris, I have trouble getting the fav's price anywhere close. Don't want to mess around too much though as they won't then be ratings! Well done on your results Richard, very impressive mate. gbettle and Wildgarden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, Pirate53 said: Hi all, not had any time lately to rate any races. Have a bit more time now so will start to rate a few going forward. I've caught up on the thread and have consequently replaced the last winning form rating with my take on the speed figs. I was never happy with the previous form ratings as there was no allowance for lbs below last winning mark. I've been interested in speed for some time so makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for the pointer Richard! With that in mind here's my take on the 15.20 Nottingham tomorrow: Lights On 16.10 11/2 7/4 No value Royal Dynasty 15.49 6/1 11/2 About right Seperate 14.73 13/2 16/1 Value Madame Tantzy 13.31 7/1 15/2 Value Rosa Gold 13.27 7.25/1 7/1 About right Poets Lady 12.57 7.75/1 3/1 No value Top 2 1pt win ea @ BFSP. Can't leave Seperate at that price though don't think it will win. A place bet or ew if still 8 in tomorrow. Like Villa Chris, I have trouble getting the fav's price anywhere close. Don't want to mess around too much though as they won't then be ratings! Well done on your results Richard, very impressive mate. Get stuck in ....the more you do the better it becomes ...I love reading the ratings people put on ... gbettle and Pirate53 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate53 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 57 minutes ago, Pirate53 said: Hi all, not had any time lately to rate any races. Have a bit more time now so will start to rate a few going forward. I've caught up on the thread and have consequently replaced the last winning form rating with my take on the speed figs. I was never happy with the previous form ratings as there was no allowance for lbs below last winning mark. I've been interested in speed for some time so makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for the pointer Richard! With that in mind here's my take on the 15.20 Nottingham tomorrow: Lights On 16.10 11/2 7/4 No value Royal Dynasty 15.49 6/1 11/2 About right Seperate 14.73 13/2 16/1 Value Madame Tantzy 13.31 7/1 15/2 Value Rosa Gold 13.27 7.25/1 7/1 About right Poets Lady 12.57 7.75/1 3/1 No value Top 2 1pt win ea @ BFSP. Can't leave Seperate at that price though don't think it will win. A place bet or ew if still 8 in tomorrow. Like Villa Chris, I have trouble getting the fav's price anywhere close. Don't want to mess around too much though as they won't then be ratings! Well done on your results Richard, very impressive mate. If you wonder why Poets Lady is so lowly rated, her form is 212-7. The 212 was all on soft/good to soft. Tomorrow will prob be brick hard. She may go on it, but can't risk my money with that uncertainty. richard-westwood and MCLARKE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate53 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 20 hours ago, Pirate53 said: Hi all, not had any time lately to rate any races. Have a bit more time now so will start to rate a few going forward. I've caught up on the thread and have consequently replaced the last winning form rating with my take on the speed figs. I was never happy with the previous form ratings as there was no allowance for lbs below last winning mark. I've been interested in speed for some time so makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for the pointer Richard! With that in mind here's my take on the 15.20 Nottingham tomorrow: Lights On 16.10 11/2 7/4 No value Royal Dynasty 15.49 6/1 11/2 About right Seperate 14.73 13/2 16/1 Value Madame Tantzy 13.31 7/1 15/2 Value Rosa Gold 13.27 7.25/1 7/1 About right Poets Lady 12.57 7.75/1 3/1 No value Top 2 1pt win ea @ BFSP. Can't leave Seperate at that price though don't think it will win. A place bet or ew if still 8 in tomorrow. Like Villa Chris, I have trouble getting the fav's price anywhere close. Don't want to mess around too much though as they won't then be ratings! Well done on your results Richard, very impressive mate. Lights On wins, Seperate 3rd. Poets Lady crapped out! Wildgarden, MCLARKE and richard-westwood 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Pirate53 said: Lights On wins, Seperate 3rd. Poets Lady crapped out! Nice rating .....I should know better than to mess with irish racing ...never again lol Wildgarden, gbettle, Pirate53 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) Just started work on the guineas meeting ....some fantastic racing so I'll be quiet for couple days while I work on it but I reckon there are easily 10 races over sat and Sunday that are rateable so its going to be a cracker of a weekend ? Edited April 28, 2021 by richard-westwood gbettle, vikki37 and Wildgarden 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Current profit ....+571.00 2000 guineas final ratings Small bonus for class and ground applied St Mark's basilica 9.4 Master of seas 9.0 Van gogh 8.9 Poetic flare 8.8 Lucky Vega 8.7 Naval crown 8.6 Wembley 8.6 Extremely close race as youd expect as you have to be talented to even get in ......I dont like wembley ...he has been well backed into fav but not proven winner at group 1 .....st Mark's basilica looks a very decent price on betfair currently 13.5 ....has beaten wembley on soft ground ...the adjusted speed figures for that race stack up ..interesting .....master of seas also looks overpriced on betfair at 11.0 .......its an open race but at those prices I'm happy to play those 2 at current prices St Mark's basilica 10pt win 13.5 betfair Master of the sea 10pt win 11.0 betfair vikki37, DanV89, Hotspur88 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanV89 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, richard-westwood said: Current profit ....+571.00 2000 guineas final ratings Small bonus for class and ground applied St Mark's basilica 9.4 Master of seas 9.0 Van gogh 8.9 Poetic flare 8.8 Lucky Vega 8.7 Naval crown 8.6 Wembley 8.6 Extremely close race as youd expect as you have to be talented to even get in ......I dont like wembley ...he has been well backed into fav but not proven winner at group 1 .....st Mark's basilica looks a very decent price on betfair currently 13.5 ....has beaten wembley on soft ground ...the adjusted speed figures for that race stack up ..interesting .....master of seas also looks overpriced on betfair at 11.0 .......its an open race but at those prices I'm happy to play those 2 at current prices St Mark's basilica 10pt win 13.5 betfair Master of the sea 10pt win 11.0 betfair Think the main reason Wembley has been backed into favouritism is because he’s been tipped up by Hugh Taylor. Has Buick chosen Master Of The Seas over One Ruler? If that’s confirmed then that would be a big pointer in itself surely? BBBC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, DanV89 said: Think the main reason Wembley has been backed into favouritism is because he’s been tipped up by Hugh Taylor. Has Buick chosen Master Of The Seas over One Ruler? If that’s confirmed then that would be a big pointer in itself surely? Well hes a group 1 winner and fast ground winner ..if the ground stays on the fast side he would be my fav to win ....hes twice the price of wembley so I'm happy to take the fav on ..way better value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 1000 guineas final rating Pretty gorgeous 9.9 Alcohol free 8.9 Next horse is 8.3 so 2 horse race from my rating point of view ....5/1 on pretty gorgeous seems generous ....alcohol free is 9.6 on betfair ...overpriced ....easy plays Pretty gorgeous 10pt win 5/1 Allcohol free 10pt win 9.6 betfair Wildgarden and gbettle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 10 hours ago, DanV89 said: Think the main reason Wembley has been backed into favouritism is because he’s been tipped up by Hugh Taylor. Has Buick chosen Master Of The Seas over One Ruler? If that’s confirmed then that would be a big pointer in itself surely? https://www.thenationalnews.com/sport/horse-racing/william-buick-plumps-for-master-of-the-seas-for-2000-guineas-at-newmarket-1.1211884 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBBC Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Exchange betting on St Marks Basilica is all over the place this morning - I've seen it available to back at 100. I can only think this is because someone in the know thinks this isn't running ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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