harry_rag Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 New Year, new thread! 3 games today and 3 bets for me, involving two of them. Bristol v Newcastle: Sell Bristol hotshots for 1 point at 40 with SPIN (Charles Piutau, Siva Naulago, Semi Radrada, Ioan Lloyd) Scarlets v Dragons: Sell Scarlets hotshots for 1 point at 38 with SPIN (Angus O'Brien, Tom Prydie, Steff Evans, Kieran Hardy) and sell their sub try minutes for 1 point at the generally available 43. I get notional prices of 32.3 and 31.7 for the hotshots for edges of 19.3% and 16.6% so those seem sound enough sells. Nothing exciting about the subs price, with both firms agreeing, but still a sell for me. I'm not setting odds for anyone else posting a rugby bet during 2021 but, speaking as a relative ignoramus about the sport, some more informed pontification is always welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labrador Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 4 hours ago, harry_rag said: ...................................................speaking as a relative ignoramus about the sport, some more informed pontification is always welcome. As a former scrum half (for Milverton Street Infants XV?) may I suggest over 1.5 cards at 12/5 (Hills) in this evening's encounter between Cardiff Blues and Ospreys. The referee is Ben Whitehouse who does not usually hesitate to adopt the letter of the law. The spread option with a buy of bookings at 15 (SX) also has some appeal. harry_rag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 Looks like shrewd money has forced it into 2/1 so I think I’ll leave the bet unjinxed! Labrador 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 6 hours ago, harry_rag said: Bristol v Newcastle: Sell Bristol hotshots for 1 point at 40 with SPIN (Charles Piutau, Siva Naulago, Semi Radrada, Ioan Lloyd) Scarlets v Dragons: Sell Scarlets hotshots for 1 point at 38 with SPIN (Angus O'Brien, Tom Prydie, Steff Evans, Kieran Hardy) and sell their sub try minutes for 1 point at the generally available 43. Seconds away from a decent profit but a last gasp Scarlets sub try scuppered it. 37 point loss on that bet but a 38 point profit as none of their hotshots scored. 2 tries for Bristol hotshots made for a 10 point loss so the net result is a 9 point loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labrador Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 16 hours ago, harry_rag said: Looks like shrewd money has forced it into 2/1 so I think I’ll leave the bet unjinxed! 4 yellow cards - thanks for not jinxing? harry_rag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 Yes, imagine a man simultaneously doffing his hat and hitting himself on the head! Well done, great call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 Well, with 13 games to go at I was expecting today to be one of those where I feel like I've placed "too many" bets but, to my surprise, they've yielded only 4 bets so far (with a few markets yet to be priced). All of these are routine rather than standout but I've got 1 point sells of the following. Pumas v Golden Lions: Golden Lions hotshots at 54 and their sub try minutes at 45 Lyon v Castres: Lyon hotshots at 36 Leinster v Connacht: Leinster hotshots at 53 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 One more, a 1 point sell of Leinster sub try mins at 55, now that all the prices are up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 On 1/2/2021 at 11:46 AM, harry_rag said: Pumas v Golden Lions: Golden Lions hotshots at 54 and their sub try minutes at 45 made up at 0 so +45 Lyon v Castres: Lyon hotshots at 36 made up at 25 so +11 Leinster v Connacht: Leinster hotshots at 53 made up at 0 so +53 19 hours ago, harry_rag said: One more, a 1 point sell of Leinster sub try mins at 55, now that all the prices are up. made up at 80 so -25 Another last minute sub try takes the gloss off but a decent enough day, 3 winners from 4 bets, 84 points profit. 4 from 7 total for the thread and +75 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labrador Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, harry_rag said: Another last minute sub try takes the gloss off but a decent enough day, 3 winners from 4 bets, 84 points profit. 4 from 7 total for the thread and +75 points. Met Office currently says 90% chance of heavy rain at Leicester during the match v Bath I can foresee plenty of Bath forward pressure near the Leicester line and perhaps a try or two from their forwards. Have gone with the obvious one and bought Zach Mercer try minutes at 10. The 9/1 and 10/1 about his fellow back row forwards, Sam Underhill and Toby Faletau, is tempting. Also considered hooker, Tom Dunn, but best priced 3/1 a bit skinny for my liking. harry_rag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 Unlucky with those @Labrador a couple of 1 point sells for me in the Lyon v Montpellier game later. Sell Lyon hotshots at 43 (Charlie Ngatai, Xavier Mignot, Pierre Louis Barassi, Noa Nakaitaci) and their sub try minutes at 45. Hotshots worth more like 36 for me so a decent enough edge of 16%. Nothing appeals in the Blue Bulls v Golden Lions game, though it should be a colourful spectacle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 No hotshots or sub tries so +88 points from those 2 bets. Labrador 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 6 games tonight, 3 bets from 2 of them for me. Sale v Worcester: Sell Sale hotshots for 1 point at 38 (Sam James, Tom Roebuck, Robert du Preez, Marland Yarde) Leinster v Ulster: Sell Leinster hotshots for 1 point at 41 (Hugo Keenan, Jordan Larmour, Dave Kearney, Sean Cronin) and their sub try minutes for 1 point at 52. Sale hotshots the standout for me; I have them worth 30.5 points so almost a 20% edge. The other 2 are just everyday bets, the presence of one of the front 5 (Cronin) in the hotshots making it a bit harder to calculate the true price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 9, 2021 Author Share Posted January 9, 2021 No tries for the Sale hotshots for a 38 point gain but 2 for Leinster for a 9 point loss. A 74th minute sub try means a 22 point loss on that bet so a net 7 point profit from the 3 bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 9, 2021 Author Share Posted January 9, 2021 Griquas v Cheetahs: Sell Cheetahs hotshots for 1 point at 54 (Clayton Blommetjies, Duncan Saal, Dries Swanepoel, Rosko Specman) and their sub try minutes for 1 point at 51. Hotshots 54 to buy elsewhere so a "spread free" trade; I value them at 49 so a modest 9% edge. Castres v Agen: Sell Castres hotshots for 1 point at 56 (Julien Dumora, Geoffrey Palis, Thomas Combezou, Filipo Nakosi) and their sub try minutes for 1 point at 38. Again around a 9% edge on the hotshots as I make them worth 51. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 A clean sweep yesterday in terms of profit, all made up at zero bar Castres hotshots which came in at 50 for just a 6 point profit. +149 points on the day. Half a dozen games today, yielding 4 bets, all 1 point sells. Pumas v Blue Bulls: Blue Bulls hotshots at 39 (Clinton Swart, Jade Stighling, Marnus Potgeiter, Stravino Jacobs) and their sub try minutes at 53 Harlequins v London Irish: Harlequins hotshots at 40 (Louis Lynagh, Joe Marchant, Cadan Murley, Alex Dombrandt) Toulouse v Stade Francais: Toulouse hotshots at 40 (Thomas Ramos, Yoann Huget, Sofiane Guitoune, Matthis Lebel) Nothing especially standout but all enough edge to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 Toulouse hotshots made up at 100 for a 60 point loss but the other 3 were all nilled so a net profit of 72 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 On 1/3/2021 at 12:08 PM, harry_rag said: On 1/2/2021 at 11:46 AM, harry_rag said: Pumas v Golden Lions: Golden Lions hotshots at 54 and their sub try minutes at 45 made up at 0 so +45 Lyon v Castres: Lyon hotshots at 36 made up at 25 so +11 Leinster v Connacht: Leinster hotshots at 53 made up at 0 so +53 On 1/2/2021 at 4:08 PM, harry_rag said: One more, a 1 point sell of Leinster sub try mins at 55, now that all the prices are up. made up at 80 so -25 Another last minute sub try takes the gloss off but a decent enough day, 3 winners from 4 bets, 84 points profit. 4 from 7 total for the thread and +75 points. Just putting the results so far into a spreadsheet to make it easier to track them and noticed an error; I didn't note the result of the first bet which made up at 50 for a 4 point profit so it was 4 from 5 on the day and +88 rather than 84. Obviously the ongoing total will be 4 points out but I'll correct it at the next update (and include any other errors if necessary). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just that one omission in here so only 4 points out. 15 winners from 21 bets, +395 points profit with an ROI of 41.4% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 Just the one bet today. Nevers v Provence: Sell Nevers hotshots for 1 point at 36 (Camou, Bolakoro, Blanc, Le Gal) Not the most inspiring sell (towards the minimum I'm willing to sell at and only a modest edge) but still a qualifier. Worth posting so I can make the joke about the second of the named players often being dropped when things aren't going well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 Not a thrilling day but a few routine sells for me. Zebre v Edinburgh: Sell Edinburgh hotshots for 1 point at 36 (Jack Blain, Mark Bennett, Chris Dean, Eroni Sau) and their sub try minutes for 1 point at 36 Racing 92 v Bordeaux: Sell Racing 92 hotshots for 1 point at 41 (Kurtley Beale, Louis Dupichot, Virimi Vakatawa, Juan Imhoff) Agen v Toulouse: Sell Toulouse hotshots for 1 point at 58 (Maxime Medard, Matthis Lebel, Sofiane Guitoune, Cheslin Kolbe) and their sub try minutes for 1 point at 35 Clermont v Castres: Sell Clermont hotshots for 1 point at 44 (Kotato Matsushima, Damian Penaud, JP Barraque, Aliverati Raka) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 First 3 won but last 3 lost for a net loss of 29 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 9 games today yielding the following 7 bets. Clermont v Bordeaux: Sell Clermont hotshots for 1 point at 36 (Kotato Matsushima, Bastien Pourailly, George Moala, Aliverati Raka) Worcester v Exeter: Sell Exeter hotshots for 1 point at 43 (Stuart Hogg, Olly Woodburn, Ian Whitten, Tom O'Flaherty) Treviso v Munster: Sell Munster hotshots for 1 point at 35 (Mike Haley, Liam Coombes, Dan Goggin, Darren Sweetnam) and their sub try minutes for 1 point at 37 Lyon v Pau: Sell Lyon sub try minutes for 1 point at 37 Scarlets v Leinster: Sell Leinster hotshots for 1 points at 35 (Max O'Reilly, Cian Kelleher, Liam Turner, Dave Kearney) and their sub try minutes for 1 point at 37 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 The first 4 bets won and the last 3 lost yesterday. Net profit 27 points. Just one bet from today's 3 games. Wasps v Harlequins: Sell Wasps hotshots for 1 point at 41 (Zach Kibirige, Malakai Fekitoa, Matteo Minozzi, Tom Willis) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 Last bet made up at 50 for a 9 point loss. 3 bets from tonight's games. Bristol v Sale: Sell Sale hotshots for 1 point at 35 (Charles Piutau, Siva Naulago, Piers O'Conor, Henry Purdy) Clermont v Lyon: Sell Clermont hotshots for 1 point at 36 (JP Barraque, Bastien Pourailly, George Moala, Aliverati Raka) and their sub try minutes for 1 point at 43. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 The 6 Nations starts this weekend and there are 2 things that the Rugby Vision ratings suggest should be odds on that can be backed at odds against. One is England in the outright market and the other is no grand slam winner. Given the current circumstances it doesn't seem a good time to be trusting short priced favourites to bring home the bacon but I'm happy backing no GS winner even if it's at shorter odds than in previous seasons. Apparently you have to go back to 2003 to find the last time England managed to beat both Ireland and Wales on their travels. 50 points on no Grand Slam winner at 2.04 on BF (evens with 365). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted February 6, 2021 Author Share Posted February 6, 2021 Added 43 points on >1.5 total tournament red cards at 23/20 with Lads. That's priced as a coin toss with most firms and I tend to agree with that view. Had a look at the France v Italy game and think Ollivon is a decent price to score a try. 20 points at 5/2 with Hills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted February 6, 2021 Author Share Posted February 6, 2021 21 hours ago, harry_rag said: Last bet made up at 50 for a 9 point loss. 3 bets from tonight's games. Bristol v Sale: Sell Sale hotshots for 1 point at 35 (Charles Piutau, Siva Naulago, Piers O'Conor, Henry Purdy) Clermont v Lyon: Sell Clermont hotshots for 1 point at 36 (JP Barraque, Bastien Pourailly, George Moala, Aliverati Raka) and their sub try minutes for 1 point at 43. Make ups of 0, 25 and 0 for 3 out of 3 and an 89 point profit. On the following today. Wasps v Northampton: Sell Wasps hotshots for 1 point at 36 (Zach Kibirige, Malakai Fekitoa, Matteo Minozzi, Tom Willis) and their sub try minutes for 1 point at 42 Italy v France: Sell France hotshots for 1 point at 55 (Teddy Thomas, Gael Fickou, Gabin Villiere, Antoine Dupont) England v Scotland: Sell England hotshots for 1 point at 39 (Elliot Daly, Anthony Watson, Henry Slade, Jonny May) and their sub try minutes for 1 point at 50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 First game about to start. Newcastle v Exeter: Sell Exeter hotshots for 1 point at 36 (Facundo Cordero, Alex Cuthbert, Tom O'Flaherty, Sam Simmonds) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 A great result in the England game yesterday with the sell of their hotshots and subs, also not bad for the "no grand slam" bet. With the Wasps hotshots bet also a winner, the sells were 3 from 5 for a 54 point profit. No try for Ollivon so that bet lost 20 points. One more for today. Castres v Bayonne: Sell Castres sub try minutes for 1 point at 36. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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