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BILLY HILLS NAP TABLE - DECEMBER 2020


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@MCLARKECan someone please explain/clarify the minimum 15 selections rule? as a few of us noticed that zidane has had only 13 selections, to say that because December has 2 racing days less due to Xmas seems a bit odd when you consider some months have 30/31 and Feb has 28 days. Is it not reasonable to suggest 28 days is plenty of opportunity to select 15? An unfair advantage is gained if you get lets say winning naps early in the month, to sit on 15 selections after 15 days in a 31 day month is the equivalent to a 16/1 winner assuming your next 16 bets are losers. I was in this very situation one month but I reasoned to myself that it was not in the spirit of the competition to sit on my lead, in the end i lost by about 4 points with about 16 losers in the last 16 days. Thank you in advance.

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19 minutes ago, Zilzalian said:

Can someone please explain/clarify the minimum 15 selections rule? as a few of us noticed that zidane has had only 13 selections, to say that because December has 2 racing days less due to Xmas seems a bit odd when you consider some months have 30/31 and Feb has 28 days. Is it not reasonable to suggest 28 days is plenty of opportunity to select 15? An unfair advantage is gained if you get lets say winning naps early in the month, to sit on 15 selections after 15 days in a 31 day month is the equivalent to a 16/1 winner assuming your next 16 bets are losers. I was in this very situation one month but I reasoned to myself that it was not in the spirit of the competition to sit on my lead, in the end i lost by about 4 points with about 16 losers in the last 16 days. Thank you in advance.

I believe that in February the criteria was reduced to 14 days to account for the fewer days in the month.

I'm not really precious about this rule, if players have a strong opinion one way or another then please let me know and I will set the rules based on what the majority want, after all I am from the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire !

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6 minutes ago, MCLARKE said:

I believe that in February the criteria was reduced to 14 days to account for the fewer days in the month.

I'm not really precious about this rule, if players have a strong opinion one way or another then please let me know and I will set the rules based on what the majority want, after all I am from the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire !

With respect and not wishing to annoy/upset anybody the rules are already in place, and it clearly states 15 selections (no mention of Feb), I recall one month (October or November?) where someone was excluded from the KO cup for not having the requisite number of selections. Again I respectfully suggest 15 selections is not unreasonable even from 28 days and arguably could even be more.

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6 hours ago, waggy said:

Must admit I agree with Roger that the winners comp should be winners not placed. When I won it with 21 winners they were all winners (I didn't know that placed horses counted). As you still need to be at least £10 in profit to take the prize that is not easy with very short priced winners. It is much easier to get a placed horse in an eight horse race.

I agree that it easier to find a placed horse in an eight horse race, however to find one that produces a profit is not as easy, the odds have to be at least 11/2.

It is easier to make a profit backing short odds horses to win.

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2 hours ago, MCLARKE said:

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2 hours ago, Zidane123 said:

On 26th December thread, It clearly stated that this month's Required tips was 13. So I hope I won the prize legally 

@Zidane123 This is not personal and i have no advantage to gain by you being disqualified so If that was the case then i back you 100%. I also back @MCLARKE who has done a very good job since taking over. However to change/waver the rules so late in the month is in my opinion not a good thing for anyone. For the future. My contention is that the rules are there for a reason and so should be followed and then we would not have to have conversations like this one. I have asked for clarification that the rules still and will still apply. I do feel quite strongly about this because it was pointed out to me that I was in breach of the rules Re. the melbourne cup. and as i have said elsewhere a member was disallowed entry into the KO cup because he did not have the required 15 selections. I respectfully suggest that in order to avoid "contention" and the interests of fairness for all that the rules be adhered to going forward. @MCLARKE 

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18 hours ago, roger2256 said:

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Most winners comp ; would it be an idea to make it actual winners,  first past the post rather than racking up 'winners' on the place market ......

I will play to whatever are the prevailing Punters Lounge rules. 

My philosphy is I am the invited party.

FWIW - I like roger2256's winners-only suggestion.

4 hours ago, MCLARKE said:

........ I'm not really precious about this rule, if players have a strong opinion one way or another then please let me know and I will set the rules based on what the majority want, after all I am from the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire !

I will play to whatever are the prevailing Punters Lounge rules. 

My philosphy is I am the invited party.  [Serious echo in here].

My input - The 15 day rule was and is fine.  Including as adjusted on the fly if there were race cancellations.  The main thing is prior communication, and December's day 26 communication was sufficient.

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Graham never changed the Rules it was 15tn for years as there 31 days in December losing 3 days for Christmas should not matter you've still got 28 days to pick 15tn horses as in February there only 28 days and 29 leap year so allow it this time and don't change again 

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12 hours ago, MCLARKE said:

I agree that it easier to find a placed horse in an eight horse race, however to find one that produces a profit is not as easy, the odds have to be at least 11/2.

It is easier to make a profit backing short odds horses to win.

True. Backing a 1/3 fav equates to getting a 8/1 horse placed. I think opinion would be divided as to which is easier. Plus there is a minimum profit of 10 points, needed to qualify for prizes, thereby negating the argument IMHO.

One thing I would like to add, as a relatively new member. I love this site. The competitions are FREE TO ENTER!! MClarke and all the other mods do a sterling job in organising these things. I think there are far more important things to moan and complain about than whether its 15 or 13 or this or that.

Rules are set by admin. Roll with whatever goes.

Happy New Year to one and all.

Rant over!

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4 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

True. Backing a 1/3 fav equates to getting a 8/1 horse placed. I think opinion would be divided as to which is easier. Plus there is a minimum profit of 10 points, needed to qualify for prizes, thereby negating the argument IMHO.

One thing I would like to add, as a relatively new member. I love this site. The competitions are FREE TO ENTER!! MClarke and all the other mods do a sterling job in organising these things. I think there are far more important things to moan and complain about than whether its 15 or 13 or this or that.

Rules are set by admin. Roll with whatever goes.

Happy New Year to one and all.

Rant over!

With respect it is not a moan about whether it is 15 13 et al (although personally i think it should be higher). it is about the rules, you can not disqualify one person one month for not having the requisite selections but allow it on another month which has happened. The rules are already in place and just need adhering too, a minimum of 15 bets is perfectly reasonable and easily attainable.  I 100% agree with you that this site is excellent and that @MClarke has stepped up and is doing a Stirling job and long may he continue.

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