MCLARKE Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, Wanderlust said: Buts it happened for years in Singapore/Hong Kong and U.S Is it not just a tote system in these countries ? Also I'm not aware of anyone making profits in these countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Villa Chris said: Most definitely. Is there anyway of finding out weights in the uk/Ireland racing? I don't think so. Like I said I remember Brough Scott making a big thing of this . I am sure it was the 80's ( if memory serves). He was showing the benefit of transparancy and info available to the punter. But it just died a death. I haven't heard anything or read anything about it for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, MCLARKE said: Is it not just a tote system in these countries ? Also I'm not aware of anyone making profits in these countries. Its certainly Tote system in Singapore and Hong Kong. MCLARKE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 They weigh the dogs before a greyhound race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 Does anyone think there’s a difference in doing well over fences more so than hurdles ? I seem to do better over fences than hurdles . Is it just coincidence or does anyone else notice a trend in their betting where they do better at one kind of spear over the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 It's a good point. I have separate systems for the flat compared to jumps but I tend to treat hurdles and chases together. Perhaps I should treat them differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 36 minutes ago, MCLARKE said: It's a good point. I have separate systems for the flat compared to jumps but I tend to treat hurdles and chases together. Perhaps I should treat them differently. Always assumed hurdles and fences should be treated the same, but I tend to do better over fences . Just wondered if there’s something in it, and other people find themselves doing better one over the other . Maybe it’s just coincidence. Not sure how you could rate either sphere differently tbf . Might leave them alone for the most part and concentrate more on the chases next season . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 8:02 PM, Striker said: Been watching closely the training career of Donnacha O'Brien who I think as his breeding suggests has a bright future ahead of him Like that unlike his brother Joseph he is not interested in the jumping game or middle of the road handicappers, its all about quality and its telling that he had no runners from November till last week as he nurtures his yet to race 3 year old's especially . Think we can expect some of them to turn out very nicely like the colt Shinsengumi, though I did think his Emporio looked a horse to follow this year after finishing all his three races in 2nd Worth remembering though that his big race wins last season came with fillies, so watch out for Absolutely who they could not believe got beat on her debut and Igraine who gave me the impression she would be stronger this year same as Oh So Fine who is owned by the "lads" Absolutely runs in a red hot maiden tomorrow at Leopardstown [2pm] With stable still waiting for a winner a each way price looks assured, opened up at 14-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 had a clear lead in early part of race, but dropped away tamely and like most of the stable horses so far looked like the race was needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 What’s considered old for a flat horse. For example 10-13 for jump horses is considered getting old although plenty still retain ability at 10-11. What’s the equivalent for flat horses . For my ratings I deduct points for double figure age , you see, and need to apply it to the flats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I find that performance starts to deteriorate when they reach 6. Strike rate for 3-5 is 11%, for 6 and above it is 8%. The Equaliser, Villa Chris and gbettle 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Nice one MC . I can see why that would be the case in the sprints but I’m surprised it’s that young for 1m+ races Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Same statistics apply for 1m+ races. gbettle, The Equaliser and Villa Chris 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 6 hours ago, MCLARKE said: Same statistics apply for 1m+ races. Out of interest what’s the age of decline in jump racing? gbettle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 The strike rate increases up to the age 6 and then declines. 4 - 9.8% 5 - 11.3% 6 - 12.3% 7 - 11.5% 8 - 10.9% 9 - 9.8% 10+ - 8.6% Villa Chris and gbettle 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Thanks MC . Could use that with my ratings. I don’t deduct points for horses aged younger than 10 but going off that I might start deducting horses that are aged 9 because there is a significant drop aged 9. It’s not often I bother with races with 4, even 5 year olds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 I think with NH racing there is an added benefit of backing younger horses because they are not as well know as their older competitors so may well be under bet. Having said that, it hasn't worked out very well for me so far this season. 6yos still have the best strike rate but it has fallen to 11.3% and the AE has been only 0.97. An added complication is that a horse's birthday is the 1st January so it may well be worth having different criteria from January 1st onwards. Villa Chris and gbettle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) I’ve read somewhere that older horses are stronger than younger horses, which could help jump horses against their younger counterparts. Obviously there will be a cut off age where a horse is just too old . Once they hit 12 I get very itchy about backing them. I have no stats to back this up, but I think that the gap between younger and older horses in jump racing is closer than the gap between younger and older horses in flat racing . It seems logical to me that that’s the case but would be happy to be proven wrong. It would also help with ratings if it was true because I could apply different deductions to flats and jumps regarding age . Edited April 16, 2021 by Villa Chris gbettle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) Has this forum got busier over the last few months? The horse racing section, anyway? Edited April 16, 2021 by Villa Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, Villa Chris said: Has this forum got busier over the last few months? The horse racing section, anyway? I think so. Lots of excellent tips / discussions going on, certainly making my betting better. Wildgarden and gbettle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, MCLARKE said: I think so. Lots of excellent tips / discussions going on, certainly making my betting better. Seems a lot more active which is great Wildgarden and gbettle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgarden Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 lets hope we dont put off new members woth the after timing issue lol. might have some time to post winners this weekend. gbettle and MCLARKE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgarden Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) apprentice jockeys to watch; any ideas? i like laura pearson and mark crehan, Benoit De La Sayette Edited April 17, 2021 by Wildgarden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 I tend to avoid them to be honest, especially 7 lb claimers (AE 0.97). However 3 with good records last year were LT MCATEER, GEORGIA DOBIE and D MCMONAGLE. Wildgarden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 My only selection today came 2nd to a horse ridden by D MCMONAGLE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 On 4/4/2021 at 12:42 PM, Striker said: Impressive Win and the fact he did it on quicker ground than used to suggests some good races are to be targeted with this 6 year old Wetlands goes for four in a row tomorrow at Ayr (4.10) Already into 9-4 from 11-4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Really sad to hear that Wetlands lost his life when taking that heavy fall 2 out gbettle, Villa Chris and BBBC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 On 3/31/2021 at 5:03 PM, Striker said: Great to see star apprentice Benoit de la Sayette win the big race last Saturday...not so good to see him featuring in a potentially damning video on social media where he attended a party [2019] where cocaine was taken by others Though the kid was not involved in that activity it gave further proof what temptations are around for a young jockey, and if he is to fulfill the role that many say in that he will in the next couple of years become the new stable jockey for John Gosden then he might be wise to watch the company he keeps in his leisure time Turns out Benoit told a little lie! Such a shame that he now faces a long suspension but is with a stable who back their jockeys so he will hopefully learn from this this and is being mentored by Frankie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 As Kevin Keegan once said "I would Love it"..... If Saffron Beach wins the 1,000 Guineas on Sunday! As think her trainer Jane Chapple-Hyam is top class and deserves a top group horse to go to war with. One thing certain is this filly would be half her current odds if trained by Gosden/Godolphin etc 12-1? ...yes please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 The standing start after numerous false starts were a disgrace in the two big handicaps in Ireland today, with horses whipping around and others being hampered and left with a hopeless task Its embarrassing and leaves punters with a nasty taste in the mouth when your money is lost before the first fence or hurdle is jumped Wanderlust 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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