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StevieDay1983

Championship 2019/20 Ante-Post Betting

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The odds for the Championship 2019/20 season are now out. Here is a look at the outright, promotion, and relegation markets. Take a look and share with us your thoughts on what teams are worth backing or avoiding. As my beloved Cardiff are making a disappointing (yet strangely exciting!) return to this division, I'll be taking a keen interest in what goes on. I have to say I think we're incredibly good value to back to go straight back up at 4.00! What are you all thinking?

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Too early for me yet @stevieDay1983 , we have signed no one but are rumoured to have signed Julian borner (german centre half) moses odubaju and Kadeem harris. expect maybe another 4 including maybe jake bidwell (another rumour).

I think I would be looking for something to come out of left field like Norwich last year.

leeds will be up there, stoke have signed a few but nothing to get excited about. Maybe Bristol city to build on last year.

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16 hours ago, waynecoyne said:

Too early for me yet @stevieDay1983 , we have signed no one but are rumoured to have signed Julian borner (german centre half) moses odubaju and Kadeem harris. expect maybe another 4 including maybe jake bidwell (another rumour).

I think I would be looking for something to come out of left field like Norwich last year.

leeds will be up there, stoke have signed a few but nothing to get excited about. Maybe Bristol city to build on last year.

Yeah, we both know the Championship is a game of roulette. Don't expect much with Kadeem Harris mate. Talk about a player that always flatters to deceive. Had so much potential when he joined us but never kicked on. He'll have one decent game in every half dozen then go off the boil. His productivity in the final third just isn't good enough. He's fine as a back up but he won't be near good enough to start regularly. My mate who supports Wednesday was also shown a video of Julian Borner scoring those two own goals. So funny. :lol

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19 minutes ago, StevieDay1983 said:

Yeah, we both know the Championship is a game of roulette. Don't expect much with Kadeem Harris mate. Talk about a player that always flatters to deceive. Had so much potential when he joined us but never kicked on. He'll have one decent game in every half dozen then go off the boil. His productivity in the final third just isn't good enough. He's fine as a back up but he won't be near good enough to start regularly. My mate who supports Wednesday was also shown a video of Julian Borner scoring those two own goals. So funny. :lol

not seen that @StevieDay1983 i shall investigate

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hi @StevieDay1983 convert him to centre forward-he knows where the net is :D

we had a centre half called paul warhurst circa 1993 he played up front  in training and was v good

scored a few goals and graham taylor called him up for England-something went wrong

was sold to Blackburn as a midfielder, started as a full back, whenever he got the ball a roar would go up as he surged forward.

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19 hours ago, waynecoyne said:

hi @StevieDay1983 convert him to centre forward-he knows where the net is :D

we had a centre half called paul warhurst circa 1993 he played up front  in training and was v good

scored a few goals and graham taylor called him up for England-something went wrong

was sold to Blackburn as a midfielder, started as a full back, whenever he got the ball a roar would go up as he surged forward.

Yes, I remember Paul Warhurst. What a player he was. In primary school when Cardiff were struggling to stay in the basement division, everyone had a Premier League club. Most lads supported Manchester United or Liverpool. I went for Sheffield Wednesday because I preferred to watch Cardiff but didn't want to be left out of the Premier League chat. Ended up going to see a fair few games in the end and still keep an eye on your results. I was there when Di Canio pushed Paul Alcock. Remember before that game we met some of the players as they arrived and Di Canio sped into the car park. One of the English players (I can't remember who, Jon Newsome possibly?) said "Here he is. Paolo... I wonder what he's going to do today that'll make you remember this match?" :lol

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2 hours ago, StevieDay1983 said:

Yes, I remember Paul Warhurst. What a player he was. In primary school when Cardiff were struggling to stay in the basement division, everyone had a Premier League club. Most lads supported Manchester United or Liverpool. I went for Sheffield Wednesday because I preferred to watch Cardiff but didn't want to be left out of the Premier League chat. Ended up going to see a fair few games in the end and still keep an eye on your results. I was there when Di Canio pushed Paul Alcock. Remember before that game we met some of the players as they arrived and Di Canio sped into the car park. One of the English players (I can't remember who, Jon Newsome possibly?) said "Here he is. Paolo... I wonder what he's going to do today that'll make you remember this match?" :lol

I was there too @StevieDay1983 we won 1-0 I think with a goal from left back lee Briscoe if I remember correctly.

I won't condone what DiCanio did but we hung him out to dry with our chairman Dave Richards having personal ambitions-contrast that with Man Utd's support of Cantona after he kung fu'd that palace fan.

I had a chat with Paolo one day in a local deli and he came across as self centred, a bit of a moaner and obviously he was a bit of a nutter with dodgy political leanings.

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14 hours ago, waynecoyne said:

I had a chat with Paolo one day in a local deli and he came across as self centred, a bit of a moaner and obviously he was a bit of a nutter with dodgy political leanings.

:lol That reminds me of another funny story from a visit to Hillsborough. It was our first trip up for my 13th birthday. My parents arranged a tour of the ground before the 1-1 draw with Blackburn on 19th October. We were being shown around the ground by Peter Shreeves. He was David Pleat's assistant manager at the time and a Welsh boy from near us so he was keen to meet us. The Owls had just signed Benito Carbone and as we were walking around the dressing room area Carbone and Graham Hyde (I think it was but would have to ask my dad) turned up really late for kick-off. Pleat hit the roof in front of us because it was Hyde's responsibility to get Carbone to the game on time because Carbone didn't know how to get to the ground. It was so surreal. Me, my mum, my dad, my mate (who was a Blackburn fan), and Peter Shreeves just stood there as Pleat is laying into Carbone and Hyde. After the players went, Pleat just turned to us, apologised, and said something along the lines of "bloody footballers, it's like having 20 children!".

Great memories from my times up there. Jon Newsome cracking onto my mum in front of my dad, my mate asking Bruce Grobbelaar why fans called him "bung man", and playing a quick game of football in the car park after a game with Orlando Trustfull and his family. Ended up not being able to afford the trips up as the Premier League ticket prices increased and we got our Cardiff season tickets. We knew the real fun was in the bottom division anyway! A brilliant club though and was always fun in school because one of my closest mates was a Sheffield United fan.

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Brentford look sure to have a good season 16/1 to win, 11/2 promotion and 15/8 for top 6.

Just got 20m for Maupay, so should have funds available if they need to add anyone.

Think I will have a bit on promotion and top 6, should really be in the playoffs at least.

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2 hours ago, yossa6133 said:

Brentford look sure to have a good season 16/1 to win, 11/2 promotion and 15/8 for top 6.

Just got 20m for Maupay, so should have funds available if they need to add anyone.

Think I will have a bit on promotion and top 6, should really be in the playoffs at least.

Brentford trying to sign lyle taylor to replace maupay

if they sign him the 50/1 top championship goalscorer will look a big price ew 1/4 1,2,3,4

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On 7/2/2019 at 8:38 PM, waynecoyne said:

we had a centre half called paul warhurst circa 1993 he played up front  in training and was v good

scored a few goals and graham taylor called him up for England-something went wrong

was sold to Blackburn as a midfielder, started as a full back, whenever he got the ball a roar would go up as he surged forward.

:lol

Warhurst signed for Palace at the start of our ill-fated 97/98 Premier League campaign.

Intelligent player with ok technical ability but his athleticism and fitness levels were appauling by this stage.

We sometimes played him as a second striker and he had a good on the pitch understanding with Attilio Lombardo.

However, Warhurst's occasional flashes of genius were not enough to eclipse the perception that he was eating three square Mcdonald's meals a day.

Some of the Palace faithful had resorted to calling him 'Wastehurst', we then signed Thomas Brolin mid-season (because sometimes one unfit, lacklustre centre-forward just isn't enough)

Looking back it was a shameful period in our history:

 

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The aim here is to summarise how you think certain teams are doing, good or bad and any surprise packages. More of a general thread, so we'll see how it goes. :ok 

Summarising a few teams and their performances below.

Expected Top Teams

Leeds - Small squad but most teams are scared stiff of them because of how well they play, lacking a striker and badly need one or they could possibly miss out on automatic promotion again. Must be better at home breaking down teams that park the bus like Forest did.

Fulham - Overhyped and I'm not convinced at the moment. Unproven manager in probably the most difficult league in the world

Cardiff - They seem to have been a little dismissed, but they'll be right up there again in my opinion. Probably the toughest team and manager in the division.

Surprises

Sheff Weds, Charlton & QPR - all started really well and if they can keep those performances up, could surprise, but it's a long season. Worth following for a while.

Mediocre/Struggling

Stoke, Derby, Swansea, Forest - they all look very average in my opinion. You have to score goals in this division, but be relatively tight at the back, they all look too defensive at the moment and you cannot be in that mindset and get in the top 6 at the end of the season.

These are just teams that stood out for me. :ok  Don't rip me apart too much! :rollin 

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I'm probably letting my heart rule my head but I've had an e/w bet on Sheffield Wednesday at 22/1 1/5 1,2,3,4 skybet

We have started with 2 wins, admittedly not against the best opposition, however the squad looks better balanced with the introduction of pace in harris and murphy. Julian Borner at Cb looks steady, Kieran Lee back from 2 years of injury is a crucial player -I hope he stays fit. Steven Fletcher is leading the line well at the moment. Luongo looks like a decent acquisition also and the likes of Rhodes and Forestieri cannot get into the team.

I know it's early days but I think the current price looks too big. 

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5 hours ago, waynecoyne said:

EFL have stated that Wednesday have breached financial rules so a points deduction seems likely.

Relegation is 66/1 with Ladbrokes so I will have a little bit of that.

-just to add to this you are allowed to lose £39m in 3 years

our losses were approx £10m £20m in the 2 prior years and a profit of £2.5m up to july 18 so a total of approx £27.5m. 

However the £2.5m profit included a profit of £38m on the sale of the stadium to Chansiri so if this was excluded then there is a 3 yr loss of £65.5m

The accounts were delayed by 2 months to july 18 and filed late i think . The land registry entry for the sale was july 19 so this throws up doubts about the timing of the sale.

There is no note in the accounts detailing the sale or its timing. The sale proceeds were £60m.

The inference to me is that the sales proceeds may have been inflated and the sale backdated for inclusion into the accounts purely as a means of not breaching ffp rules.

If this is so it makes you wonder about the advice the club received from its lawyers and auditors.

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Hull look overpriced to me for relegation at 33/1 with bet365.

They are in a poor run of form (lost 2 and drawn 2 since the end of january), when they sold their best 2 players bowen and grosicki.

They replaced them with maddison and scott, the latter is now out for the season as may be eric lichaj and herbie kane.

Hull are currently 10 points clear of the drop zone.

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The hull bet went well (see above)

The useless efl have still not decided upon whether to punish sheffield wednesday (they keep passing the buck to an independent commission). A 9 point deduction (the same as birmingham last year) would be enough to relegate them.At this stage i suspect any punishment will be applied next year.

 

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11 hours ago, waynecoyne said:

The hull bet went well (see above)

The useless efl have still not decided upon whether to punish sheffield wednesday (they keep passing the buck to an independent commission). A 9 point deduction (the same as birmingham last year) would be enough to relegate them.At this stage i suspect any punishment will be applied next year.

 

Yeah, they wouldn't be able to enforce a points deduction now the league season has officially finished. I'm keen to see what will happen with Wigan. Feel sorry for their fans. Support football in a town that is obsessed with rugby and then have their club pillaged by corrupt individuals as part of a bet. Shocking. That said, I'd hate to see Barnsley go down after what they did.

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9 hours ago, StevieDay1983 said:

Yeah, they wouldn't be able to enforce a points deduction now the league season has officially finished. I'm keen to see what will happen with Wigan. Feel sorry for their fans. Support football in a town that is obsessed with rugby and then have their club pillaged by corrupt individuals as part of a bet. Shocking. That said, I'd hate to see Barnsley go down after what they did.

I feel sorry for wigan too @StevieDay1983 and if the rumours are true about the owner having a big bet on them being relegated (rick parry discussed with fan) then the EFL are complicit in waving through the dodgy change of ownership and doing nothing to avert the 12 point deduction.

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2 hours ago, waynecoyne said:

I feel sorry for wigan too @StevieDay1983 and if the rumours are true about the owner having a big bet on them being relegated (rick parry discussed with fan) then the EFL are complicit in waving through the dodgy change of ownership and doing nothing to avert the 12 point deduction.

Completely agree mate. I've had issues with EFL's rules over club ownership ever since Sam Hammam bought us and then took out a huge loan at a high interest rate against the club that a company he was a big shareholder in benefited from. It all stank and I'm amazed the man isn't in prison yet. He clearly knew what he was doing and sorted out all the loopholes. The trouble is that people who a) have the money to own clubs, b) want to own a club and c) have earned that money in a squeaky clean manner are very hard to find so I understand that certain things aren't as clear cut. If it's a choice between a club going under or being owned by a shady owner then I get that it's a dilemma... however, the whole process is deeply flawed if the Wigan situation can happen.

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