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Last night we had a great turnout for the final leg of the PL Poker League, the best ever, I think. This is no doubt due to the introduction of "double points" for the final leg, which was introduced a couple of months ago.

 I thought I'd start a thread to see what everyone thinks of the new scoring format.

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My own thoughts are that it's been a big success, but have we shifted the advantage too far to the winners of the final leg?

In previous months the final leg often suffered because the top places were more or less decided. It wasn't uncommon to see only 5 runners, all competing for 3rd place in the league, so seeing 12 last night was very reassuring.

However, I secured 2nd place overall with two second places, a last place and a non-runner. So maybe there's too much of an advantage to the winners of the last leg?

Does it need tweaking? Maybe 1.5X pts for the final leg? Maybe score pts for all 4 legs? Maybe leave it as it is?

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I'm glad you brought this up Paul, I was having similar thoughts myself. I couldn't play the first leg for well documented reasons and then I finished 6th out of 7 runners in the second leg, so I should have been effectively out of the running for top spot this month.

I have benefited hugely from the new scoring system but it's definitely to the detriment of the likes of Barry who had built up a healthy lead after three legs and looked set for a comfortable top three finish.

I agree that it probably needs tweaking but I'm not sure how. Scoring points for all four legs could work, as it rewards those who put the most money into the pot(s), but it also penalises those who can't play one or more legs for whatever reason.

1.5X points for the last leg is a possibility, but ultimately people will look at the league table after three legs and attempt to calculate the odds and work out if it's worth them playing. At the end of the day, the effectiveness of the points multiplier for the last leg is wholly dependent on the number of runners it gets... and that number is not known until the end of Late Reg.

This is definitely worth a debate and it would be interesting to hear the thoughts of the wider player pool :ok



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Great to see the biggest turnout for a while, agree that 2x for final leg was too much as Barry had built up a nice lead playing all the games and scoring well for the 1st 3 legs. 

Suggestion to try maybe like said 1.5x for final leg, have best 3 scores out of 4 still as people can't always make all legs.


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I did actually run the result through my spreadsheet without the double points and Ian still won overall (though obviously helped by the fact of us getting more runners due to the double points), Barry hung on to 2nd and muttley and Marek tie for 3rd.

I think I compared it last month too and it didn't actually affect the result then, but Craig did rather run away with it anyway!

1.5x instead of double this month still produces the same result.

No-one was really dominating this month, placings and points were being shared around so we were all closer together going in to the final leg.

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Just to show how the double points could affect the league, if someone had missed the first three legs and won the final leg, they would have finished 2nd overall in the league. 


Other ideas:

The winner of the final leg is guaranteed to match the best points score of one of the previous legs; So leg 4 winner gets 95pts this month, even if only 6 register.

Each player can play a "joker", where one of there legs counts double.


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What you say bud about the below could be great idea :) 

"The winner of the final leg is guaranteed to match the best points score of one of the previous legs; So leg 4 winner gets 95pts this month, even if only 6 register."


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How about a sliding scale points multiplier for the last leg ? This would hopefully :

i)  level the playing field,

ii) still attract extra players for the last leg,

iii) protect the interests of someone who has built a lead. 


0 - 6 players = double points

6 - 11 players = 1.5x points

12+ players = normal points

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I personally don't get to play due to working nights on a Wednesday but I actually think the double points final week is the simple and most effective for people participation which should be the main aim for these home games , not determining what makes sure you have the best chance of added money which is still a sizeable overlay for the field sizes we get.

We are a community and building it back up should be the aim , not nit picking about a double points week which many other leader boards have used in the past elsewhere.

Keeping the league competitive in to last week doesn't harm anyone and those playing every week still hold an advantage 

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On 6/2/2019 at 3:43 AM, Danshot said:

I actually think the double points final week is the simple and most effective for people participation which should be the main aim for these home games...

I actually do agree with you here... it IS the most simple and effective way, but is it the best way ?


..... not determining what makes sure you have the best chance of added money which is still a sizeable overlay for the field sizes we get... 

You appear to be suggesting that the proposals advocated in previous posts are in some way dishonest or leaning towards an angle shoot.


Keeping the league competitive in to last week doesn't harm anyone and those playing every week still hold an advantage

 Both Paul and I only played three games last month, yet we finished 1st and 2nd in the league as a direct result of the 'double points' initiative. 

As Paul quite rightly points out (above), if someone only played the last leg and won it, they would still have finished 2nd in the league. This hardly seems right and proper in respect of the added value.

Far from trying to..  "make sure you have the best chance of added money", all I have tried to do is suggest ways to promote a degree of fairness for the last leg whilst protecting the integrity of the league. I am actually arguing against my right to win the league in the fashion that I just did :eyes



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Thanks all for the input.

I'll throw a couple more ideas into the mix which might help reward those who have played all month, whilst still giving everyone a chance to get on the podium.

Final leg multiplier x2 if you've played 2 or 3 legs already this month, and x1.5 if 1 or no previous legs played.  So last month a win for Vince or Al would still have given them 3rd overall with a 1.5 multiplier rather than 2nd with a double, although Thebestthere would have finished 4th with no previous points scored.

3rd leg multiplier x1.5 and 4th leg x2. On May results this would have swapped around muttley and marek, but still not helped Barry, as you've got to put your best work in at the end!

I'll wait til after tonight's game and see if any more input, then make an executive decision (for this month at least!)

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One key question for people to consider is this: If you knew you were unable to play the Week 4 Leg, and it was double points, would you still play the other three legs?


My answer would be "Yes. But if I scored badly in the first leg, I might give the other two legs a miss."

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Just to clear up a couple of points @ian309 you and @muttley only 3 scores count on the month because a lot of people will miss at least one game so for 1st and 2nd to have played 3 weeks that seems perfectly likely whatever multiplier we use. 

Also my point wasn’t really about dishonesty it’s just 4 weeks and then reset so either way a couple of good results should lead to a good chance at extra value , the worse that happens with the new system is a win in the final week might get 2nd but more realistically 3rd if no other points previously.

It seems that actually the reverse that you and some others might feel guilty of leapfrogging someone by virtue of a great final leg. 

The idea of the 3rd leg 1.5x and final 2x , would likely prevent someone jumping in final leg and picking up extra value so maybe this is a good adjustment. 

Anyways good luck all on the tables 

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    • Result Limerick 03:25 PIPER BOMB.....nowhere ( 7/1 ) Chester 03:45 ANGEL ALEXANDER.....1st..11/10 Rule 4 Applies @ 5% Todays Profit =  + 0.45 pts Current Years Profit 2019 =  + 119.62 pts.   (Years Profit 2018 = + 90.52 pts.) (Years Profit 2017 = - 73.44 pts.) (Years Profit 2016 = + 437.86 pts.) (Years Profit 2015 = + 18.52 pts.) (Years Loss 2014 = - 30.20 pts.) (Years Loss 2013 = - 105.06 pts.) (Years Profit 2012 = +127.65 pts.) (Years Loss 2011 = - 13.82 pts.) (Years Profit 2010 = +166.01 pts.) Bank = + 2621.00 pts. Profit = + 2521.00 pts   Current Winning Run =  1
    • very hard to trust this bet , betting on Qatar to not lose Risky , I feel cant set on my nervous 90 minutes with Qatar 😄  I know them and I Know their defense too  I maybe agree betting on Qatar 0.75 worth small stake but I dont feel good to bet on this one 
    • Uruguay vs Ecuador One of the more intriguing group stage matches is coming up this Sunday when Uruguay and Ecuador meet in an 11pm BST kick-off at the Estadio Mineirao in Belo Horizonte. Neither side has enjoyed much success in this competition over recent years so this opening game is a big chance to put those ghosts to rest. Uruguay remain under the management of Oscar Tabarez. It's now 13 years in charge of the national team for the experienced head coach. During his tenure at the helm, he's guided Uruguay to the 2011 Copa America title and a 4th placed finish in the 2010 World Cup and 2013 Confederations Cup. Unfortunately, in this competition they didn't even make it out of the group stage in 2016 and struggled to the Quarter-Finals in 2015. La Celeste do come into this tournament off the back of three wins with clean sheets kept in all three games. Admittedly, the opposition were only Panama, Thailand, and Uzbekistan. Ecuador are one of only two countries in South America to have never won the Copa America. La Tricolor's best performances were a 4th placed finish in both 1959 and 1993. They've only managed to navigate past the group stage once in the last seven tournaments. Hernan Dario Gomez's side come into this game without a win in their last 4 matches. I have a soft spot for Uruguay. On the day I went to get fitted for my wedding suit in 2012 it was when the Olympic Games were taking place. Uruguay had a game in Cardiff so the team was based there and I bumped into a few of them on Duke Street opposite the castle. They were all very pleasant including Tabarez. So on that basis I'm back them to win here. Well, not just that but I think they'll have too much for a weak Ecuador side. Uruguay -1 @ 3.50 with SpreadEx Uruguay HT/FT @ 3.00 with Ladbrokes @jazzman02, @real55555, @hristofor, @Peter_Portman, @Podosfairistis, @Niceguy, @markus808, @Feduloff, @clubgowi, @Neubs, @Hunter12, @salmonman, @JuMeSyn, @recklessrookie, @janesill, @Mustionown, @potus, @kevinjoh, @dinero, @Hutcho_CFC, @roveruk, @matrixman, @Jazzer Isaac, @Dylan Lynch, @Tiffy, @Kenton Schweppes, @MangoTheThird, @neilovan, @mcsilks, @Ameer, @thfc, @Roy The Boy, @Tim81, @sajtion, @newjack, @Gedkip, @Mindfulness, @Magic0024, @mijOsim, @canaries91, @waynecoyne, @allyhibs, @four-leaf, @Icongene, @malabgd, @Stevecw, @Xcout, @Teodore, @Bobby Vegas, @Darran, @DrO, @mtom, @KikoCy, @betcatalog, @immortal--, @allthethings, @DW_United, @Pipoca, @liamcorrigan86, @vasilli07, @Misa, @Pep004, @rOYS123, @thinkpink63, @ant8n, @BobEire, @RIOT88, @Power90, @Adley, @Alexc, @bastia, @Ameer. @Odyssey, and @Marek76, are any of you guys betting on these Group C matches?
    • Lola Paige 14.45 Doncaster 1 Pt Win @ 11\2 Bet365 Foaled February 25. 220,000 gns yearling, Galileo filly. Dam, maiden (stayed 1m), half-sister to smart winner up to 11f Tha'ir. Interesting newcomer. 
    • Celtic Manor 16.30 Doncaster 1 Pt Win @ 15\8 (bog) Looks a typical progressive sort from his yard, winning 5f Windsor novice on return 3 weeks ago. Step back up to 6f should suit now handicapping and there's surely more to come.  Deburrafield 16.00 Downpatrick 1 Pt Win @ 7\4 (bog) Fair hurdler. Very good second of 16 in handicap hurdle (25/1) at Ballinrobe (20.3f, good) 20 days ago, sticking to task. 
    • 16.55 Gowran park - Rehoboth Beach - 1 Pt Win @ 10\1 Bet365
    • Paraguay vs Qatar The Group B action continues on Sunday night when Paraguay and Qatar go head-to-head in an 8pm BST kick-off at the Estadio do Maracana in Rio de Janeiro. Considering the other two teams in this group are Argentina and Colombia then defeat would surely spell the beginning of the end in this tournament for whichever teams loses. Paraguay come into this game in truly dreadful form having won just 1 of their last 8 matches. The glimmer of hope for Eduardo Berizzo's side is that they beat Guatemala 2-0 in their most recent game so they enter this tournament off the back of a victory. Berizzo has only been in the job since February this year replacing the departing Juan Carlos Osorio. Having avoided defeat, albeit against abject opposition, in their last two matches could the poor run of form be coming to an end? Qatar are set to host the 2022 World Cup. It was a controversial issue and remains so. However, the Arabic nation is embracing it and they even managed to win the 2019 Asian Cup. As @Ameer states, there are reasons for that so let's not look too deeply into that. Almoez Ali won the golden boot at that tournament in January and February. Can they spring a surprise on another continent? Winning 7 of their last 8 matches with the solitary defeat coming against Brazil suggests they could well do with Felix Sanchez Bas organising his side effectively. I'm not sure who will win this. I want to back Ameer and say Paraguay but I wouldn't be surprised if this in-form Qatar side takes something from this game. I'm swaying towards a draw but I still think Paraguay might just be starting to click under Berizzo. I have to back the draw though I think it's worth placing a double chance bet on Qatar if you feel they could get something. Draw @ 3.50 with SpreadEx Anytime Scorer: Almoez Ali @ 4.75 with Bet365
    • Great work! Very positive start so far. Let's see how we fare with Group B over the couple of days.
    • 3rd -  in touch, headway 3f out, switched right over 2f out, effort over 1f out, ridden to lead briefly inside final furlong, ran on
    • 2nd - took keen hold, held up, went 3rd from the 3rd, went 2nd approaching 3 out, led last, headed flat, soon beaten 1st @ Evs - chased leaders in 3rd, went 2nd from 3f out and improved to dispute lead from 2f out, ridden to lead over 1f out and kept on well inside final furlong 7th - prominent, led after 2f, ridden and headed over 3f out, soon lost place, behind over 2f out 4th - soon led, joined briefly halfway, led again early straight, strongly pressed over 1f out and headed 100 yards out, soon carried left and kept on one pace  
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