BillyHills Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 3:40 Newmarket 13 OCT 2018 2m2f (Row) Dubai £500,000 Cesarewitch Stakes (Heritage Handicap) (Class 2) (3yo+ 0-110) Previous Winners 8/10 Ran within 36 days 8/10 Carried less than 9st 7/10 Rated less than 90 8/10 Aged between 4-7 7/10 Drawn in double figures 14/20 Placed in first 4 last time 15/20 ran at least 3 times this season 17/20 had won at 2m or more previously 3:15York 13 OCT 2018 6f Coral Sprint Trophy Handicap (Class 2) (3yo+ 0-105) Previous Winners 9/10 Ran within 21 days 8/10 Aged 6 or less 8/10 Rated between 96 and 105 7/10 Carried 9st or more 17/21 had ran at least 5 times 19/21 Had won at 6f 8 previous winners came from Ascot Challenge Cup or Ayr Gold/Silver Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Where do you start with a race so huge and competitive ....well for me this race is just a bigger longer version of arc......and if I was riding in it if want to be drawn lowish...to get good early position and avoid traffic problems ....preferably as near to inside rail as possible so as to minimise distance ran and maintain energy reserves at business end .......so ...for starters in interests of finding good bets I'm only going to consider bottom let's say 14 draws and be generous .....that chops 20 horses leaving .... 1 it's a free bee 2 just in time 3 the Glasgow warrior 4 cliffs of Dover 5 melinoe 6 fun mac 7 cleonte 8 golden spear 9 limini 10 Stanley 11 blue rambled 12 here and now 13 low sun 14 whisky sour Next we want to be in form and fit so any horse out of form or only couple runs this season are booted out So we lose it's a free bee ....melinoe...blue rambler ....low sun ...and whiskey sour ....so 34 has become 9 Need good extended distance form ....so lose Glasgow warrior .....leaves 8 so I'll rate Poor recent ratings loses here and now ....fun mac .....golden spear Leaving Just in time 433 9-3 Cliffs of Dover 425 8-6 Cleonte 426 9-0 Limini 433 9-7 Stanley 419 8-8 Stanley I think is not quite good enough .....and limini although joint top rated so I wouldn't put anyone off backing is too high for me on 9-7 to lump around 2m2f against more lightly weighted horses so scrubbed leaving Just in time 16/1 Cliffs of Dover 33/1 Cleonte 16/1 3x 5pt ew...all with will hill BillyHills, black rabbit and skylark2009 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black rabbit Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Golden Spear for me at this stage [ may have another depending on the going] BillyHills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyHills Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 Cesarewitch Decs York Decs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Coral sprint I have narrowed to 4 horses Major jumbo Flying pursuit Golden Apollo El qahwa I had hoped draw would help but 2 are drawn high rail and 2 low ....so no advantage there really ....major jumbo ran bad last time but is capable if rest has helped .....any separate the 4 no matter how hard I try so I'll go 5pt wins all 4 9/1 ....9/1 ...14/1 ...16/1 And 6 x 1pt rev forecasts skylark2009 and BillyHills 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyHills Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 315 : York Sprint 9/10 Ran within 21 days We lose Glenamoy Lad, Normandy Barriere8/10 Aged 6 or less We lose Perfect pasture, Kimberella, Pipers Note, Naadirr, Shared Equity8/10 Rated between 96 and 105 We lose Lord Riddiford, Brian The Snail19/21 Had won at 6f We lose Savalas8 previous winners came from Ascot Challenge Cup or Ayr Gold/Silver Cup. George Bowen, Lake Volta, Major Jumbo, Flying Pursuit, Al Qahwa, Golden Apollo, Tommy Taylor Tough one Tie break:14 winners had ran within 15 days Selections 1pt EW George Bowen 18/1 Ladbrokes 1pt EW Lake Volta 20/1 Bet365 skylark2009 and black rabbit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyHills Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 340 Newmarket Cesarewitch 8/10 Ran within 36 days We lose 1,3,4,5,6,8,10,13,15,16,17,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,338/10 Carried less than 9st6lbs We lose 2,77/10 Rated less than 94 We lose 9,11,12,147/10 Drawn in double figures We lose 28, 30, 31,3414/20 Placed in first 4 last time We lose 18,20,32Selections: 1pt EW Uber Cool 25/1 Bet365 (first 5) 1pt EW Law Girl 20/1 Paddy Power (First 7) skylark2009 and black rabbit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyHills Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 My ratings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedthewolf Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Wow does it get any harder than this.on the plus side some bookies going 6places in the sprint & some going 8 in the cesarewitch on thoes bases ill take 3 in each race all minium e/w stakes. York 3.15 Brian the snail 25/1 is in poor form but has got back to a winable mark-Teruntum srar 14/1 won this last year only a lb higher should be extremly hard to keep out of the first 6 home.- Lake volta 20/1 Mark Johnston inmate with job jockey Franny Norton on top fair form fair mark and fair price. 3.40 Newmarket. Of the ones at the fore of the market i like the improving Cleonte 14/1-Star over the sea 25/1 looks over priced to me after easy trial win shoudl be in the top 8 home here i would think as is proven at the trip unlike most of these!-Scotland 50/1 top weight not in great form but first run for new stable and this is easier than he usually runs in jon jo throws a 7lb claimer on top. Boy that was hard work sifting throug that lot! Good luck all......think we will need it BillyHills and skylark2009 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Newm 3.40 Had a look at the Newmarket race last night but ended up with a short list of about 7 using some filters - aged 4/5 draw low to middle I've tried to narrow it down by looking at distances won over and handicap mark and in view of the huge field I'm giving myself 3 runners …….. Uber Cool 20/1 Just In Time 22/1 Here and Now 25/1 skylark2009 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 York 3.15 Gone for single figure draw D winner aged 4/5 that's left me with 3 runners and two of them are CD winners so I'll go with them...……. Golden Apollo 9/1 Major Jumbo 18/1 skylark2009, vikki37, Tedthewolf and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylark2009 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 3.15 York Two here for this - Terentum Star - (essentially same reasoning as Tedthewolf). Won this last year and has same draw and only 1lb higher. Tommy Taylor - Could have dropped to a winning mark, rated 107 at start of season (now 96). Won over course/distance. Both E/way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 On 11/10/2018 at 5:36 PM, richard-westwood said: Coral sprint I have narrowed to 4 horses Major jumbo Flying pursuit Golden Apollo El qahwa I had hoped draw would help but 2 are drawn high rail and 2 low ....so no advantage there really ....major jumbo ran bad last time but is capable if rest has helped .....any separate the 4 no matter how hard I try so I'll go 5pt wins all 4 9/1 ....9/1 ...14/1 ...16/1 And 6 x 1pt rev forecasts Major jumbo wins ...flying pursuit 2nd ....got 16/1 On winner and 84.50 for the forecast ....golden Apollo non runner......well done Trotter too skylark2009, Tedthewolf, BillyHills and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyHills Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 Well done Rich and Trotter and anyone who got one placed black rabbit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 On 11/10/2018 at 3:37 PM, richard-westwood said: Where do you start with a race so huge and competitive ....well for me this race is just a bigger longer version of arc......and if I was riding in it if want to be drawn lowish...to get good early position and avoid traffic problems ....preferably as near to inside rail as possible so as to minimise distance ran and maintain energy reserves at business end .......so ...for starters in interests of finding good bets I'm only going to consider bottom let's say 14 draws and be generous .....that chops 20 horses leaving .... 1 it's a free bee 2 just in time 3 the Glasgow warrior 4 cliffs of Dover 5 melinoe 6 fun mac 7 cleonte 8 golden spear 9 limini 10 Stanley 11 blue rambled 12 here and now 13 low sun 14 whisky sour Next we want to be in form and fit so any horse out of form or only couple runs this season are booted out So we lose it's a free bee ....melinoe...blue rambler ....low sun ...and whiskey sour ....so 34 has become 9 Need good extended distance form ....so lose Glasgow warrior .....leaves 8 so I'll rate Poor recent ratings loses here and now ....fun mac .....golden spear Leaving Just in time 433 9-3 Cliffs of Dover 425 8-6 Cleonte 426 9-0 Limini 433 9-7 Stanley 419 8-8 Stanley I think is not quite good enough .....and limini although joint top rated so I wouldn't put anyone off backing is too high for me on 9-7 to lump around 2m2f against more lightly weighted horses so scrubbed leaving Just in time 16/1 Cliffs of Dover 33/1 Cleonte 16/1 3x 5pt ew...all with will hill Cleonte.....3rd .....not bad for 35 runners.....at least went ew black rabbit and vikki37 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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