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Following on from previous discussions about this (unfortunately all posts have been removed from the betting tools section of this forum), I'm pleased to announce that the rdata site is still up and running and I'll be keeping it updated with the latest fixtures and results so we can get some ideas of the best performing historical systems.

The site is http://rdata.uk and it is available to everyone.

It is absolutely free to use with no restrictions, log-ins etc. and I intend to keep it that way.  I update the data daily and am still adding the lower league information so that more selections can get picked up.  There's only data going back to 10th August at the moment as that's all I could get my hands on but it is an extension of the infamous 'Monster'.  

If anyone has any historical data that shows results with the league positions of the home/away teams (at the time of the match) plus prices for 1X2, BTTS and U/O2.5 I'd be very interested in seeing it.  I know there are paid-for solutions out there but the ethos of what I am doing here is all about keeping data free.

I won't be posting any unnecessary information or links here.  I'll mostly leave it up to you to visit when you want.

I added a little bit of extra functionality earlier - Eligible Matches.  Once you've set up the parameters you can click on the green button above the filter box and you will see the matches that fit the criteria chosen.  Sometimes there won't be any matches (especially at this time of year when lots of seasons are only just starting).

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There is an option to save parameter (filter) sets so they can be loaded at a later date and re-tweaked if necessary.  Scroll down to the bottom of the Football Analysis page and you'll see the save box.

I noticed earlier that someone had saved a set (the ones in capitals are mine) and the one selection for today was a winner so well done whoever that was! 

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20 minutes ago, keef75 said:

If anyone has any historical data that shows results with the league positions of the home/away teams (at the time of the match) plus prices for 1X2, BTTS and U/O2.5 I'd be very interested in seeing it.

I think there are websites that will give you the historical odds for the markets you mention but that won't necessarily show the league positions at the time. Just google historical odds or similar, I've just been looking at Oddsportal for example.

I'm not sure you'll find a single source so there'd be a degree of mashing together to do (finding the league positions on different dates then adding the odds).

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Just now, harry_rag said:

I think there are websites that will give you the historical odds for the markets you mention but that won't necessarily show the league positions at the time. Just google historical odds or similar, I've just been looking at Oddsportal for example.

I'm not sure you'll find a single source so there'd be a degree of mashing together to do (finding the league positions on different dates then adding the odds).

Thanks, Harry.  I know that others have searched for this data too but couldn't find it anywhere.  I'm trying to make the process as automated as possible, there's still a bit of work needed each day to get the data that is available in a format that's suitable for importing into the database.

I had a look at the oddsportal site and the number of clicks that are required to get the data means it isn't going to be easy enough for me.  I downloaded a massive free spreadsheet this evening from indatabet that has matches going back years with bet365 prices for 1X2 and U/O2.5 but no double chance or BTTS.  I forgot to mention double chance in my previous post - that's quite important to have too.  So, although I'll be able to use all this data for other purposes, I won't be able to use it for the main analysis page.

For current data, I'm using PDFs converted into Excel.  They have everything I need including league positions, one match per line but I can't get historical info in the same format, only on a day-to-day basis going forwards.

I'm open to trying anything to speed up the process and add more history so please keep suggestions coming.

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I've just had a thought about the big spreadsheet I downloaded... If I order it by league and date I can write a script to calculate the league positions of every team after every match day. Genius. :lol

Once I have that all I need to do is find the historical odds for double chance and BTTS in a nice format.

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Hi keef75

You could try calculating your own double chance odds try the below formulas in Excel they are pretty close to what the bookie would offer

1X formula = Home Odds*Draw Odds/(Home Odds+Draw Odds)

12 formula = Home Odds*Away Odds/(Home Odds+Away Odds)

2X formula = Away Odds*Draw Odds/(Away Odds+Draw Odds)

I have used the above for a couple off seasons now and found them to be fairly accurate

also quite often you can find a few value bets where the bookie is offering higher odds 

 

Hope this may be off use to you

Regards

Ken

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Just a quick update on the historical data... I've managed to get it all working in the development version and it's going really well.  I've written a script that takes all the matches from that huge indatabet spreadsheet and works though a league/season calculating the tables.  I've run it on 2017/18 English Premiership and Championship and everything looks good.  As a side effect I now have table standings at any day throughout the season which is a bonus.  I'll be adding a page so these can be searched in later so you can see, for example, how the Premiership looked on Christmas Day 2017.

On the down side, I've run the saved parameter sets through it all and mine come out as losers!  The one parameter set that someone else has saved (Straight Home wins 1 4) still comes out as a winner though.  Also, I'm going to have to run the script separately for each league/season as it's quite processor intensive and I need to cross check team names are consistent in each league over the course of the season, I noticed some small differences in the Premiership teams that I had to change before it all worked properly.

I'll add a couple of dozen leagues from last year and hopefully I'll be able to copy it into the live database some time tomorrow for you all to play around with.

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9 minutes ago, keef75 said:

Just a quick update on the historical data... I've managed to get it all working in the development version and it's going really well.  I've written a script that takes all the matches from that huge indatabet spreadsheet and works though a league/season calculating the tables.  I've run it on 2017/18 English Premiership and Championship and everything looks good.  As a side effect I now have table standings at any day throughout the season which is a bonus.  I'll be adding a page so these can be searched in later so you can see, for example, how the Premiership looked on Christmas Day 2017.

On the down side, I've run the saved parameter sets through it all and mine come out as losers!  The one parameter set that someone else has saved (Straight Home wins 1 4) still comes out as a winner though.  Also, I'm going to have to run the script separately for each league/season as it's quite processor intensive and I need to cross check team names are consistent in each league over the course of the season, I noticed some small differences in the Premiership teams that I had to change before it all worked properly.

I'll add a couple of dozen leagues from last year and hopefully I'll be able to copy it into the live database some time tomorrow for you all to play around with.

Your latest indatabet spreadsheet has not being included in the site database yet?

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No it hasn't.  It's in the version I use for testing out new stuff.  I'll copy it across tomorrow for you.  I'm shattered now, I've been working on it for about 8 hours straight today.

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Ok @Rivilearner, just for you I've copied the historical data across so you can now use it on rdata.

I've added 2017/18 season data for the following:

Austria D1 and D2
Croatia D1
Denmark D1 and D2
England Premiership. Championship, League 1 and 2 and National league
Spain D1 and D2
France D1, D2 and D3
Germany D1, D2 and D3
Hungary D1
Italy D1 and D2
Netherlands D1 and D2
Poland D1
Portugal D1 and D2
Romania D1
Russia D1
Scotland Premiership
Switzerland D1
Slovakia D1
Slovenia D1
Turkey D1
Ukraine D1

There are more to come, especially the South American leagues but these are often split into two sub-seasons with separate tables so I'll have to look into that tomorrow.

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Sorry, I've just noticed an error with the calculations so I've reverted it back to not having the historical data.  I'll get it sorted now and it should be back up in a few minutes.

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12 minutes ago, keef75 said:

Ok @Rivilearner, just for you I've copied the historical data across so you can now use it on rdata.

I've added 2017/18 season data for the following:

Austria D1 and D2
Croatia D1
Denmark D1 and D2
England Premiership. Championship, League 1 and 2 and National league
Spain D1 and D2
France D1, D2 and D3
Germany D1, D2 and D3
Hungary D1
Italy D1 and D2
Netherlands D1 and D2
Poland D1
Portugal D1 and D2
Romania D1
Russia D1
Scotland Premiership
Switzerland D1
Slovakia D1
Slovenia D1
Turkey D1
Ukraine D1

There are more to come, especially the South American leagues but these are often split into two sub-seasons with separate tables so I'll have to look into that tomorrow.

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4 hours ago, keef75 said:

. . . and I need to cross check team names are consistent in each league over the course of the season, I noticed some small differences in the Premiership teams that I had to change before it all worked properly.

 

Team names can be a nightmare when trawling information from multiple sources. The number of variants appears to be directly proportional with the obscurity of the league.

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27 minutes ago, Data said:

Team names can be a nightmare when trawling information from multiple sources. The number of variants appears to be directly proportional with the obscurity of the league.

Tell me about it!  The thought of creating a lookup table with all the aliases is a very daunting one but something I'm going to have to do at some point.  I'm seriously considering reducing the number of leagues I'm using, get rid of some of the more obscure ones and concentrate on the major ones.

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    • 4.25 Curragh: Fairyland 0.5pts e/w @ 12.00 with bet365. Thank you. 
    • Monaco GP So Hamilton pulls a rabbit out of the hat and grabs pole for yet another Mercedes front row lockout. Lewis is an unbackable 1/3 shot to lead all of the way and this 78 lap traffic jam. I feel for Bottas as he was going quickest for most of the session and now finds himself stuck behind the best driver at Monaco in the race. He's a 4/1 shot to get past Hamilton so basically your betting 4/1 for Hamilton to retire?? Max Verstappen is now a 6/1 shot but is as short as 4/11 to finish on the podium so maybe the value has swung towards Vettel in this market who is a tempting 6/5 shot. H surely cant have another bad day like today, can he?? I'm struggling to see how Pierre Gasly is 4/7 to finish in the top 6 when Riccardo is 11/8, Gasly has a 3 place grid penalty to starts 8th while the Aussie starts 6th?? Leclerc who starts 16th is 13/8, that will be worth seeing if he finishes 6th!!! Lance Stroll struggles here and his car is pretty slow so backing him at 2/1 not to finish is worth a small bet to keep me interested in what could be a dull race. Bets Verstappen 7/2 Under 15.5 5/6 Vettel Top 3 6/5 Ricciardo Top 6 11/8 Stroll DNF 2/1  
    • Well done Steve, your first win in the Cup since May 2017 Unlucky Ken mate.      
    • Albert Ramos to beat Laslo Djere at 2.15 with betsson It's all about probability in this one and I rate the probability of this happening higher than the current odds of 2.15. Albert has been in the quarterfinal of Roland Garros before and knows how to play in grand slam events while Laslo is 1-6 in GS maindraw matches. I expect Laslo to run into some major difficulties against Albert. They met once before and Albert won 2-1 back in 2017 in Marrakech. Peter Gojowczyk to beat Jo-Wilfried Tsonga at 4.50 with Unibet Peter has beaten J-W before and most importantly on indoor hard and even in a 5 set Davis cup thriller by 8-6 in the decider. I think Peter could have enough to win this again even though his form isn't the best but neither is J-Ws form and I think clay suits Peter a little bit better and he's got the matchup advantage and knows how to find break opportunities in the J-W serve. Better chances of an upset than the odds suggest at least. Sveta Kuznetsova to beat (-1.5 sets) Kristina Kucova at 2.04 with Unibet Sveta could not have asked for a more favorable first round opponent. Kristina hates clay and she's never won a set in Roland Garros maindraw and her last two visits have been first round straight sets losses to Shuai Zhang 6-0 7-5 and Sam Stosur 7-5 6-0. She's done well to reach the maindraw from qualification but her opponents weren't really hard at all but she still had problems in last match against Katie Swan but won in a decider. Sveta should have many opportunities to break and could win in straight sets. Kateryna Kozlova to beat Bernarda Pera at 2.35 with Unibet Kateryna most famously knocked out reigning champion Jelena Ostapenko in straight sets last season in Roland Garros first round and later lost in second round. Bernarda Pera also won her first round match in Roland Garros last season and she beat Elena Vesnina but I don't rate that performance at all and she later also lost in second round. Anyway I don't see what makes Kateryna the underdog in this one. Kateryna has a higher ranking now (66), close to her career high 62 and I rate beating Jelena Ostapenko in straight sets higher than Bernarda beating a Elena Vesnina with retirement in her sights. Should be more  even odds here I think.  Roger Federer to beat (-6.5) Lorenzo Sonego at 1.97 with betsson I think I have to rate Rogers chances pretty high here. I don't think Lorenzo will get many looks into Rogers serve but Roger should find ways to find breakpoint opportunities on the Lorenzo serve. It might take some time but once Roger gets a break it could be a rout. This could even be covered in 4 sets.
    • I agree about Millman. He must have a chance to at least take a set as Sascha is all over the place right now. He's just won Geneva but it was such a struggle - apart from his first round every match was three sets and he only got the better of Jarry in a final set tie-break which it looked as though he did his best to throw away after building a big lead. It would be so ironic if this is to be the tournament where Sascha makes his grand slam breakthrough when his form is just not there after the last few years where he's been playing well but couldn't translate that into deep runs in the slams. I certainly wont be backing him and it'd be a brave person that did based on his season so far.
    • 2.10 Font - Demon Fou - win at 7/4 bog bet365
    • Few personal opinions apart from the picks above. I agree Millman is capable of an upset of Zverev.I'll be taking a side one on this one. I was looking forward to take on Cameron Norrie before Kyrgios pulled out.No one believes he's really ill n he hates clay season with a passion. Weren't he to take on a serious player in the 2nd round I'd have considered him to go on a bit further. Mikael Ymer will be decent n I expect him to win his first match art RG.I'd stay away from Jarry Vs DelPo.Most unpredicted 1st round match. Kohlschreiber is a formidable opponent especially this year but I think there's value in taking R Haase against him based on motivation.Also Lloyd Harris prefers hard courts to clay I don't see why he's the favourite to beat Rosol who despite being poor in form on a good day is decent on Clay.Thoughts @South_African_Punter
    • 3.15 fontwell risk and roll my win bet @ 1.73                  6.00 curragh hazraw my win bet @ 2.50                  4.25 curragh iridessa @12/1 my e/w bet                   5.00 curragh trading point @12/1 my e/w bet
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