MCLARKE Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Does anybody use any methods that take advantage of bookmakers who offer extra places on certain races? I have made some money on these over the last year or so. The basic logic is to take those races with a relatively small number of runners that offer 4 or more places. It works better where the favourite is a relatively short price and where the over-round is not too high. It has to be the best price offered on odds-checker. Odds 3/1 to 15/2. Today's selections are :- UTTOXETER 2.50 CHASE ME 9/2 (LADBROKES). 12 runners, OR 108%, favourite at evens. WOLVERHAMPTON 8.35 REFRAIN 6/1 (CORAL). 12 runners, OR 108%, favourite at 9/4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 1st 2 bets both finished 5th. One today, BEVERLY 8.30 VIGEE LE BRUN 9/2 (BETFRED). 10 runners, OR 109%, favourite at 4/1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted July 28, 2018 Author Share Posted July 28, 2018 Last one was a non runner. 2 today. YORK 2.40 GOLDEN APOLLO 6/1 5 PLACES. NEWCASTLE 3.20 BIG TOUR 4/1 4 PLACES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 Both placed yesterday for a break-even day. Today. UTTOXETER 2.10 VIVE LE ROI 4/1 4 places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 2nd yesterday for a small loss. Today. NEWTON ABBOT 3.40 BOYCHICK 5/1 4 places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 4th yesterday for a break-even day. 2 today at GOODWOOD. 3.00 TIP TWO WIN 6/1 4 places. 4.45 EL ASTRONAUTE 4/1 4 places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 Last and 2nd yesterday. Today at GOODWOOD 2.25. CORG1 7/2 4 places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 2 more today. GOODWOOD 1.50 KLOUD GATE 15/2 4 places. REDCAR 6.00 THORNABY NASH 15/2 4 places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 winner, 1 2nd and a loser yesterday. Results to date. 1 win, 6 places, 4 losers. £0.15 LSP (1% ROI). 4 today. GOODWOOD 2.25 PRECIOUS RAMOTSWE 6/1 4 places. 4.10 BARRISTAN THE BOLD 4/1 5 places. 5.20 COWBOY THE SOLDIER 7/2 4 places. GALWAY 2.50 TONY THE GENT 7/2 4 places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 3 placed and a loser yesterday. 2 today. GOODWOOD 4.40 SEQUILLA 4/1 4 places. BANGOR 4.20 Oakmont 7/2 4 places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Would you consider doing place bets only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 I could be wrong but I don't think you can have place only bets with standard bookmakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingdom for Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 On 03/08/2018 at 12:27 PM, corky said: Would you consider doing place bets only. This, if the bookie has not given awful place odds because they have given extra places. My betting records shows an awful strike rate, yes even worse than my overall strike rate, in races where bookies are giving an extra 1, 2, 3 places. Now I paper bet these races and I am now starting to believe that these races are more unpredictable to gauge if the favourite, or close to favourite, is not chosen. The bookies win the money. Hopefully we getting a buzz in return. corky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 4, 2018 Author Share Posted August 4, 2018 You could be right, I'm not getting many winners but I'll keep the faith for a while. Yesterday 1 place and 1 loser. Today at GOODWOOD. 2.25 MELTING DEW 9/2 4 places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 4, 2018 Author Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 more today at GOODWOOD. 5.25 KASSAR 7/2 4 places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate53 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 The problem may also be the prices of your selections. This will only work if you can consistently find higher prices (6/1 - 25/1) to place. 7/2 shots won't win enough place money to cover the losing win bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share Posted August 5, 2018 I think that is a misconception with each way betting. I am not looking at making a profit on each bet but an overall profit over a series of bets. So if for example in a sequence of 5 bets at 7/2 I have 1 winner, 3 places and a loser I will still make a profit of 13%. I am really looking at the horse winning, the place part of the selection is really a saver bet, at 7/2 if it places I only lose 15% of my stake rather than 100%. In my bets so far I am down because I have only had 1 winner out of 19 bets when at the odds I would have expected 3 or 4 winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyHills Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 On 8/3/2018 at 11:39 PM, MCLARKE said: I could be wrong but I don't think you can have place only bets with standard bookmakers. You can bet place only at quite a few bookies but not many would allow the extra place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share Posted August 5, 2018 Thanks Billy, will stick to each way then. Yesterday both came second. Today at GALWAY. 5.00 BLAST OF KOEMAN 9/2 5 places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share Posted August 5, 2018 Interestingly BLAST OF KOEMAN can be bet to place at 4/6 (5 places). I think these are poorer odds than the 9/2 each way, anybody disagree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 Kept on for 5th place yesterday at 6/1. 1 today at CARLISLE. 8.45 CALLIOPE 7/2 4 places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 Last one was a loser. 3 today. PONT 3.20 SHOURANOUR 4/1 4 places. KEMP 5.40 FORTUNE AND GLORY 7/2 4 places. KEMP 8.10 ATTICUS BOY 7/2 4 places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopdog Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 On 05/08/2018 at 12:10 PM, BillyHills said: You can bet place only at quite a few bookies but not many would allow the extra place. Paddy generally lets you choose the number of places for Place Only (especially extra places in the big field Saturday Heritage Handicaps). Of course the odds decline with increasing number of places. [My late father, ex bookie used to say it amazed him how in an apparantly impossible handicap that come SP time, the punters had figured it out and the fav won.] I have concluded that my E/W and PO betting is less successful than my win bets. It always feels like you've backed a loser, if you bet PO and it wins. As a result, I now tend to keep PO bets for when I want to back more than one horse in a race. Suggest you quote the bookie, PO odds and number of places in PO selections. In the hunt for value, I try to avoid accepting worse than ~ 1/5 the win odds on PO3, or worse than 1/6 the win odds on PO4, 1/7 the win odds on PO5. Occasionally you find an anomaly where E/W terms are 1/5 E/W3, yet PO3 is higher than 1/5 win. In those cases if you want to bet E/W, then do separate win and place bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 Thanks for that SNOOPDOG. Unfortunately I am restricted by PP so not really an option. Yesterday 1 winner, 1 2nd and a loser. 3 today, all 4 places. HAYD 3.40 HEE HAW 7/2 NEWC 6.20 ARAQEEL 5/1 NEWC 8.30 LIAMBA 4/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 2 winners and a loser yesterday. Results to date. 4 wins, 14 places, 9 losers. £2.76 LSP. 10% ROI. 2 today, both 4 places. WOLV 2.20 INGLEBY MOLLY 9/2 TIPP 8.20 UNIVERSAL FOCUS 7/2 Away for a few days so no more selections until Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 Both placed on Friday for a small profit. 1 today at in the 3.45 at FFOS LAS. DURATION @ 5/1 - 4 places. EviL ZippY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EviL ZippY Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 2 hours ago, MCLARKE said: Both placed on Friday for a small profit. 1 today at in the 3.45 at FFOS LAS. DURATION @ 5/1 - 4 places. I really hate that I’d genuinely rather he finished last than f**king 5th.. unlucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 Too true, however I do get a warm glow when it manages to finish 4th when the standard terms are 3 places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 today in the 4.20 at NEWTON ABBOT. TOP CHIEF @ 4/1 - 4 places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 Last one managed 4th place at 5/1 so turned a loss in to break even. 3 today, all 4 places. CATT 7.10 ROBBEN RAINBOW @ 7/2. CATT 8.15 CROSSE FIRE @ 100/30. DUND 7.15 THE KID BOBBY B @ 6/1. No selections for a couple of weeks as I am off on a Baltic cruise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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