The Equaliser Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Four double, one treble and one win bet today. Odds are a bit skinny, so I am hoping to get better returns with BOG Doubles and trebles: Selections: A 12.30 Sedg Millie The Minx 5/2 B 1.00 Sedg Ringarinarosie 9/4 C 1.50 Lud Seenanythingyouwant (a better price would be nice) 9/4 D 3.40 Taun Templepark 3/1 (up 8lbs but hopefully can beat Overland Flyer) E 3.50 Sedg Kingrullah 4/1 Doubles: At £3 AB £34.13 BC £31.69 CD £39.00 DE £56.25 Treble: at £3.00 (1) ABC £110.91 One win bet today. Too many short priced favourites for my liking (1) 3.50 Sedg Kingrullah £5 win at 5 with SkyBet = £20 staked NB I place my bets on Betfair Exchange and usually get better odds but show best bookies odds as they can easily be checked) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equaliser Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) On 11/12/2019 at 7:47 PM, roger2256 said: For goodnes sake . I'm loathe to get involved in this 'debate ' but I will because its getting monotonous. You are looking at ew in the normal sense whereas in ew short odds it's a different concept . Have you not heard of 'maggot' bets , you should have if you listen to will hill radio, it's a staple of andy holding . I have made a 5 figure a year living for the last 11 yrs out of it and although my ' method' is similar its actual quite different as far as bet selection . For me it only works on the flat and I have to find the right sort of race . I wont quote % because that just confuses things . I find a 8 or 9 horse race , the odds need to be ,for arguments sake 10/11 5/2 6/1 16/1 20/1 33/1 50/1 50/1 or similar but you get the drift . On simple few mins study I can discount the 33 and both 50's . I'm going to back the 2nd fav at 5/2 because I'm getting 3 places for a 5 horse race ,in simple terms, 10 ew on a 5/2 , if it wins I get 50 quid return ,( 35 plus 15 ) a profit of 30 quid . If its placed I get 15 return a loss of 5 . With backing ew at short odds it's not about losing on the bet its losing as little as possible , therefore I see it as a what I stand lose ie 5 to what I can win ie 30 therefore a 5/2 becomes a 6/1 . Before you say yes but if you lose you lose 20 ,absolutely correct but if it's done correctly the odd total loss is insignificant. It took bet victor 5 bets ( 2 actually won ) to cancel my account as unviable . Others slightly longer , actually I can only do it on BF exchange now . On the flat i can regularly have 20 odd runs of no total loss . I have 11 yrs of every bet struck that I could put up but wont only because I chose not too . My response is only to prove short price ew ( maggot bets ) works but in the right races and the right odds . I wont be drawn into any debate . I do what I do , I really dont care if you agree or not but its certainly got you thinking away from the norm Very many thanks for sharing the principles of your strategy with the Forum. Just wondering if your method works on the All Weather flat and since you now have to use the Betfair Exchange do you choose the E/W option or do you select the win market for the win bet and the place market for the place bet separately? Also I know succesful traders who regularly win money on the Betfair Exchange, they suffer from Betfair Premiums for their success. Do you get adversley affected by this? Edited November 14, 2019 by The Equaliser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger2256 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 hour ago, The Equaliser said: Very many thanks for sharing the principles of your strategy with the Forum. Just wondering if your method works on the All Weather flat and since you now have to use the Betfair Exchange do you choose the E/W option or do you select the win market for the win bet and the place market for the place bet separately? Also I know succesful traders who regularly win money on the Betfair Exchange, they suffer from Betfair Premiums for their success. Do you get adversley affected by this? I do apply it to the AW if there is a suitable race . On BF I do the win market and the place market. It's like all things you have to adapt and work with what you have and get on the best way you can . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 bank 1631.55 Lud 1.50 - Corrie Loch 7/1 Sedge 2.10 - Cairnshill 6/1 £10 EW double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equaliser Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 hour ago, roger2256 said: I do apply it to the AW if there is a suitable race . On BF I do the win market and the place market. It's like all things you have to adapt and work with what you have and get on the best way you can . Many thanks Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 LUDLOW 4.00 GRAGEELAGH GIRL 13/2 £10 EW BETFRED 4 PLACES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 NEWCASTLE 12.30 ASKING FOR ANSWERS 8/1 £10 EW BET VICTOR 4 PLACES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolemat Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Ellarna 1.05 Newcastle ,not ever going to get wealthy or win a Daily prize with this but 11/8 on a 1/2 shot is a no brainer. £20 win 11/8 bog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Bank 1611.55 Bit unlucky yesterday with an EW double as my first horse never crossed the start line but was deemed to be a runner ....... fortunately my second horse was unplaced so it didn't matter Have another go for an EW double ... Newc 12.00 - Final Fling 5/1 Newc 12.30 - Border Victor 6/1 prices bet365 bog 10 pound ew double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equaliser Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Not enough qualifying races for doubles and trebles today. Gone for three win bets instead Three win bets today. (1) 1.05 Nc Fyfin Patsey £6 win at 10.0 with Bet365 (2) 3.25 Nc Trooper Turnbull £6 win at 8 with Ladbokes (3) 3.45 Sou Zamoyski £8 win at 7.0 Skybet = £20 staked NB I place my bets on Betfair Exchange and usually get better odds but show best bookies odds as they can easily be checked) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Trotter said: Bank 1611.55 Bit unlucky yesterday with an EW double as my first horse never crossed the start line but was deemed to be a runner ....... fortunately my second horse was unplaced so it didn't matter Have another go for an EW double ... Newc 12.00 - Final Fling 5/1 Newc 12.30 - Border Victor 6/1 prices bet365 bog 10 pound ew double I think I'll go back to two horses per race rather than EW doubles ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger2256 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Rolemat said: Ellarna 1.05 Newcastle ,not ever going to get wealthy or win a Daily prize with this but 11/8 on a 1/2 shot is a no brainer. £20 win 11/8 bog Tough luck with this it seems the industry didn't share your views of it being a 1/2 shot lol . Interesting you were happy taking 11/8 when it was freely trading at 2.94 on BF . So you were losing an extra 45 % of potential profit before the race was run . Pot and kettle come to mind . You also state bog but not the bookie used Edited November 15, 2019 by roger2256 Text MCLARKE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 CHELTENHAM 2.25 US AND THEM 9/1 £10 EW LADBROKES 9/1 5 PLACES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equaliser Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 10 hours ago, roger2256 said: Tough luck with this it seems the industry didn't share your views of it being a 1/2 shot lol . Interesting you were happy taking 11/8 when it was freely trading at 2.94 on BF . So you were losing an extra 45 % of potential profit before the race was run . Pot and kettle come to mind . You also state bog but not the bookie used Well OK; I did wonder how Rolemat came up with the 1/2 probability, especially as the horse had a known breathing problem previously. There were two other contenders including mine that finished last. Eliana was pulled up and did not run well at all. However, it was still sent off 15/8 favourite which meant that the market thought it would run well. All I am wondering is, if it is still kept in training, will it run a better race next time at better odds because sometimes a horse will run better on the second occasion after a wind op? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry o Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Ptarmagin ridge 13.00 stake a claim 15.15 lingfield £10 e/w. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 bank 1591.55 Chelt 12.05 - Thyme Hill 5/4 and Dancing on My Own 5/1 Chelt 12.40 - Mick pastor 6/4 and Allmankind 9/2 prices bet365 bog 4 x £5 doubles kroni and The Equaliser 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equaliser Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 5 doubles,two trebles and 6 win bets today: Doubles and trebles: Selections: A 1.40 Weth Sakhees City 4/1 (hope it holds its form) B 1.50 Chelt Ramses De Teillle 11/4 C 2.25 Chelt Count Meribel 15/2 D 3.0 Chelt To Be Fair 11/2 (drifting like a barge : Mat chapman) E 3.20 Weth Dali Mail 5/1 F 3.30 Chelt Legends Gold 5/1 Doubles: At £3 AB £56.25 BC £95.63 CD £65.75 DE £117.00 EF £108.00 Trebles: at £2.50 (1) BCD £517.97 (2) AEF £450.00 = £20 staked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Trotter said: bank 1591.55 Chelt 12.05 - Thyme Hill 5/4 (WON 11/8) and Dancing on My Own 5/1 Chelt 12.40 - Mick pastor 6/4 and Allmankind 9/2 (WON) prices bet365 bog 4 x £5 doubles thankfully one of the two bigger priced ones won ! returns 65.31, profit 45.31 bank 1636.86 The Equaliser and vikki37 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolemat Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Finespun 6.45 Wolves £20 win 2/1 bog Said to have come on for debut and more positive ride expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Sunday Bank 1636.86 Chelt 2.25 - Politologue 13/8 and Saint Calvados 7/2 Chelt 3.30 - Ecco 2/1 and Pacify 4/1 prices bet365 bog 4 x £5 doubles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equaliser Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Trotter said: thankfully one of the two bigger priced ones won ! returns 65.31, profit 45.31 bank 1636.86 Well done Trotter, your balance is growing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 hour ago, The Equaliser said: Well done Trotter, your balance is growing Cheers ....... I think it's not a bad strategy to pick two horses per race in doubles The downside is that 3 out of your 4 stakes are bound to lose but the upside is a bigger strike rate of wins I guess like all systems and strategies it comes down to selecting the right horses at big enough prices to cover your losing stakes and make a profit ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 FONTWELL 2.40 THE CALLER 6/1 £20 WIN BET VICTOR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equaliser Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 5 doubles,two trebles and 6 win bets today: Doubles and trebles: Selections: A 12.45 Duc De beauchen 3/1 B 1.15 Chelt Urgent De Gregaine 5/2 C 12.55 Font Really Racical 11/4 D 2.05 Font Colonel Custard 5/2 E 3.15 Font Howlongisa foot 2/1 (yukk) F 3.45 Font Truckers Tangle 11/4 Doubles: At £3 AB £42.00 BC £39.38 CD £39.38 DE £31.50 EF £33.75 Trebles: at £2.50 (1) CDF £123.05 (2) ABE £112.50 = £20 staked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 PLUMPTON 3.00 BIG MEADOW 5/2 £20 WIN BET365 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 bank 1618.66 Plu 1.30 - Legend of France 3/1 and Goldslinger 6/1 Plu 2.00 - Juge et Parti 7/4 and Coded Message 6/1 prices bet365 bog 4 x £5 doubles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equaliser Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 doubles,two trebles and 8 win bets today: Doubles and trebles: Selections: A 14.20 Wolv Brockley Rise 5/1 B 15.20 Wolv Sandret 11/2 C 15.50 Wolv Royal dancer 9/2 D 17.15 Sou Moonraker 9/2 E 17.45 Sou Dark Regard 11/4 F 18.45 Sou Twpsyn 10/3 Doubles: At £3 AB £117.00 BC £107.25 CD £90.75 DE £61.88 EF £48.75 Trebles: at £2.50 (1) ABE £305.63 (2) CDF £327.71 = £20 staked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 bank 1598.66 Fak 1.10 - Todd 11/10 and Skeaping 13/8 Fak 1.40 - Chequered View 13/8 and Black Tulip 7/4 prices bet365 bog 4 x £5 doubles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equaliser Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 No bets tomorrow as I will be out all morning and unable to work out selections. Results update: Multiples: One winner and not coupled so another nil return for the day. Hence a £20 loss Multiples: opening balance £800 + £64.10 -£20 = £844.10 C/forward ROI 5.5% Single bets 1 winner but reduced odds because of a non runner = £8.00 returned less £14 = - £6 on the day Singles: opening balance £400 -1 - £6 = £393.00 C/forward ROI N/A “ When placing a bet on a selection, never take SP and, always bear in mind that to make a profit, in the long run, the WINNERS have to pay for the LOSERS.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyHills Posted November 19, 2019 Author Share Posted November 19, 2019 Bit bored today so giving the Placepots a bash over jumps for something to watch Small fields but you can get some weird payouts on cards like this; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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