boyd Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here You must be sick mate, that's not a bad beat just an absolute bastard:puke Just like the first scene of Rounders......and that ended well:ok Not sure if this is a stupid question but you on about the film rounders? If so can't remember so remind me please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Intensity Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here Not sure if this is a stupid question but you on about the film rounders? If so can't remember so remind me please? Yeah it is. Matt Damon had A9 and flop comes A9rag two spades. Turn is a 9. River is a spade. Damon talks about how good a player he is and how the river means he's going to win a massive pot. He goes all in and Teddy KGB has AA:ok Actually yours is worse so the ending should be better:unsure:unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyd Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here Yeah it is. Matt Damon had A9 and flop comes A9rag two spades. Turn is a 9. River is a spade. Damon talks about how good a player he is and how the river means he's going to win a massive pot. He goes all in and Teddy KGB has AA:ok Actually yours is worse so the ending should be better:unsure:unsure Don't know whether to thank you for reminding me what happened in the film or tell you to f*ck off winding me up about how good my hand was and still got beat. By the way i'm only joking, i'm justy bitter... btw was only a five dollar buy in for tournie. I'm sure i'll get over it soon enough!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here Lol what a bunch of moaners :tongue2 :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbirds Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here :@:@:@:@:@:@:@:@:@ OK technically maybe not the worst beat ever (GaF ponted to me the guy was 16% to hit) but why would the chip leader call such a large pot with such a board??????????? :wall:wall:wall:wall:wall:wall:wall:wall:wall:wall:wall:wall:wall:wall:wall:wall Fred To add insult to injury just saw he went on to win the whole thing and pocket 2900 dollars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avongirl Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here I think it's a 3 outer - since either 7 would also have won him the hand (and would have been even more sickening). There, you feel better now don't you. :tongue2 1 outter :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heniek31 Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here You are right Helen. I only saw Aces :eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here You are right Helen. I only saw Aces :eyes. In that case, with plenty of outs, do you still wish to claim it as a bad beat? :tongue2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heniek31 Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here :lol You bastid. According to your Theory of Bad Beats, I have probably never had one before :tongue2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here Probably not ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyMcG_1967 Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here For the 3rd tourney out of my last 4 ive been done by a bad beat on the river, its beyond a joke now, whats the point in playing 90% of the time i get my money in ahead and these clowns get rewarded. Called a small raise in late position with 4 5 suited , the bb calls and the flop comes 3 4 7. Original raiser bets 2/3 the pot, i re-raise him double that, if he has two high cards aj or aq he may well fold. He calls and the turn comes 5. Jackpot, only hand beating me is a 6, him having pocket 6's is hugely unlikely, can't put him on trips either. He bets 1/4 the pot and I push all in, he calls and shows JJ and the river comes 7 pairing the board and his higher two pair winning :@ Normally i'm TAG but having not cashed in my previous 3 ( 2 further bad beats on the river which i mentioned in the poker profitability thread ) and another in which i saw nothing cards wise I felt the need to be more pro-active and try and win some early pots for confidence. Might pack it in for a while whats the point when you get your chips in ahead time and time again only to be outdrawn every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heniek31 Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here Probably not ;) Is this good enough for you??? :moon PokerStars Game #17377248276: Tournament #88082115, 250FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/05/12 - 11:47:10 (ET) Table '88082115 1' 10-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 3: tikanis (7300 in chips) Seat 8: heniek31 (4535 in chips) Seat 9: SSchutt (13195 in chips) Seat 10: slimstix (4970 in chips) slimstix: posts small blind 75 tikanis: posts big blind 150 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to heniek31 [As Ad] heniek31: raises 300 to 450 SSchutt: folds slimstix: folds tikanis: raises 300 to 750 heniek31: calls 300 *** FLOP *** [Jc 5d Tc] tikanis: bets 900 heniek31: raises 2885 to 3785 and is all-in tikanis: calls 2885 *** TURN *** [Jc 5d Tc] [4c] *** RIVER *** [Jc 5d Tc 4c] [Qc] tikanis said, "vnh" *** SHOW DOWN *** tikanis: shows [Ac Ah] (a flush, Ace high) heniek31: shows [As Ad] (a pair of Aces) tikanis collected 9145 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 9145 | Rake 0 Board [Jc 5d Tc 4c Qc] Seat 3: tikanis (big blind) showed [Ac Ah] and won (9145) with a flush, Ace high Seat 8: heniek31 showed [As Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces Seat 9: SSchutt (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 10: slimstix (small blind) folded before Flop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Intensity Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here Well when the chips went in....:unsure:unsure:unsure :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here Is this good enough for you??? :moon Nah - he was 4.55% to win it outright - about one time in 20 - it's an every day occurence :tongue2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heniek31 Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here Cheers mate. I knew youd correct me wrong :ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonzie14 Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here Here is a real one Hen ;) ***** Hand 1077787592 ***** 200.00/400.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 12 May 2008 21:33:51 PL Mini Vegas (Real /Tournament ) Seat 1: Billboard (12705.00) Seat 2: Adelita (2361.00) Seat 6: HectorMcG (5969.00) Seat 7: PL_Gal (3919.00) Seat 8: strider239 (8435.00) Seat 10: Fonzie141 (5132.00) Fonzie141 post SB 200.00 Billboard post BB 400.00 ** Deal ** Billboard [N/A, N/A] Adelita [N/A, N/A] HectorMcG [N/A, N/A] PL_Gal [N/A, N/A] strider239 [N/A, N/A] Fonzie141 [Kc, As] *** Bet Round 1 *** Adelita Fold HectorMcG Fold PL_Gal Fold strider239 Fold Fonzie141 Raise to 1500.00 Billboard Call 1500.00 *** Flop(Board): *** : [3d, Ad, 3h] *** Bet Round 2 *** Fonzie141 Bet 3300.00 Billboard Call 3300.00 *** Turn(Board): *** : [3d, Ad, 3h, Ah] *** Bet Round 3 *** Fonzie141 All-in 332.00 Billboard Call 332.00 *** River(Board): *** : [3d, Ad, 3h, Ah, 5d] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 10564.00 Billboard [Ac, 5s] Full house Win: 10564.00 Adelita Fold Win: 0.00 HectorMcG Fold Win: 0.00 PL_Gal Fold Win: 0.00 strider239 Fold Win: 0.00 Fonzie141 [Kc, As] Full house Win: 0.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here Not quite ;) He had a 6.82% chance of hitting (and you had the same. Overall it was over 13% that one of you would hit - that's not an every day occurence, that's an every hour occurence :tongue2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonzie14 Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here Not quite ;) He had a 6.82% chance of hitting (and you had the same. Overall it was over 13% that one of you would hit - that's not an every day occurence' date=' that's an every hour occurence :tongue2[/quote'] It's still SICK! :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackJarvis Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here Im not one to moan about bad beats as such but the luck ive had of late is nothing short of hideous. On Full Tilt Poker where I play its just been constant suck outs on the river.... and the thing is, I know its coming. I played 4 STT's today in around an hour and everytime I got knocked out just before the bubble when going in with an over pair to a lower pair or two lower cards. Its just become a bit too much, I don't mind the odd one or two but this is beyond a joke now. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here Unbelievable this one. I think he was 3% after the flop. :puke 10.00/20.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 04 June 2008 20:04:04 PLounge league (Real /Tournament ) Seat 1: MrMarlin2u (2000.00) Seat 2: PLtheDodge (1990.00) Seat 3: PLSleek23 (1895.00) Seat 4: PL teaulc (1960.00) Seat 5: KingChato (2050.00) Seat 6: PL borokp (2105.00) Seat 7: PLTomHedon (2000.00) Seat 8: PLstrider (2000.00) Seat 9: PLSpoof23 (2000.00) PL teaulc post SB 10.00 KingChato post BB 20.00 ** Deal ** MrMarlin2u [N/A, N/A] PLtheDodge [N/A, N/A] PLSleek23 [6c, 7s] PL teaulc [N/A, N/A] KingChato [N/A, N/A] PL borokp [N/A, N/A] PLTomHedon [N/A, N/A] PLstrider [N/A, N/A] PLSpoof23 [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** PL borokp Fold PLTomHedon Fold PLstrider Fold PLSpoof23 Fold MrMarlin2u Fold PLtheDodge Fold PLSleek23 Raise to 60.00 PL teaulc Fold KingChato Raise to 140.00 PLSleek23 Call 140.00 *** Flop(Board): *** : [5d, 8h, 9c] *** Bet Round 2 *** KingChato Check PLSleek23 Bet 145.00 KingChato Raise to 435.00 PLSleek23 Raise to 725.00 KingChato All-in 1910.00 PLSleek23 All-in 1755.00 *** Turn(Board): *** : [5d, 8h, 9c, Kc] *** River(Board): *** : [5d, 8h, 9c, Kc, 5s] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 3800.00 MrMarlin2u Fold Win: 0.00 PLtheDodge Fold Win: 0.00 PLSleek23 [6c, 7s] Straight to the nine Win: 0.00 PL teaulc Fold Win: 0.00 KingChato [Ks, Kh] Full house Win: 3800.00 PL borokp Fold Win: 0.00 PLTomHedon Fold Win: 0.00 PLstrider Fold Win: 0.00 PLSpoof23 Fold Win: 0.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver) MP ($100) CO ($127.80) Hero ($118.60) SB ($65.65) BB ($101.65) UTG ($125.95) Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K. UTG raises to $3.5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, UTG calls $8.50. Flop: ($25.50) 5, 2, 4 (2 players) UTG checks, Hero bets $20, UTG calls $20. Turn: ($65.50) Q (2 players) UTG checks, Hero bets $40, UTG raises to $93.95 (All-In), Hero calls $46.60 (All-In). River: ($238.70) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: $238.70 Results in white below: UTG has Ad 7c (straight, five high). Hero has Kc Kd (one pair, kings). Outcome: UTG wins $246.05. Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver) MP ($134.25) Button ($21.35) Hero ($110.20) BB ($146.70) UTG ($100) Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, T. 2 folds, Button calls $1, Hero completes, BB raises to $6, Button folds, Hero calls $4. Flop: ($12) Q, A, J (2 players) Hero checks, BB bets $7, Hero calls $7. Turn: ($26) 8 (2 players) Hero checks, BB bets $16, Hero raises to $39, BB raises to $150.7 (All-In), Hero calls $59.20 (All-In). River: ($222.40) Q (2 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: $222.40 Results in white below: Hero has 9s Ts (straight, queen high). BB has Qc Ad (full house, queens full of aces). Outcome: BB wins $274.90. :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomell Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here What can you do :wall Game #5947266763: Hold'em NL ($2/$5) - 2008/06/27 - 11:50:13 (UK) Table "Trinidad" Seat 1 is the button. Seat 1: thehaggis ($360.18 in chips) Seat 2: treasure ($511 in chips) Seat 3: Jomell66 ($282.90 in chips) Seat 4: 1860 ($178.15 in chips) Seat 5: Sukhv2105 ($433 in chips) Seat 6: theband sits out Seat 7: Bu7pin ($488.55 in chips) Seat 8: lissi31 ($417.98 in chips) Seat 9: GrandXx ($512 in chips) Seat 10: Mari06017 ($159.20 in chips) treasure: posts small blind $2 Jomell66: posts big blind $5 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to Jomell66 [7s 7h] 1860: folds Sukhv2105: folds Bu7pin: calls $5 lissi31: calls $5 GrandXx: calls $5 Mari06017: calls $5 thehaggis: folds treasure: calls $3 Jomell66: checks ----- FLOP ----- [2d 7c 4d] treasure: checks Jomell66: checks Bu7pin: checks 1860 sits out lissi31: bets $15 GrandXx: calls $15 Mari06017: folds treasure: folds Jomell66: raises to $70 Bu7pin: folds lissi31: raises to $412.98 and is all-in GrandXx: folds Jomell66: is all-in $207.90 Returned uncalled bets $135.08 to lissi31 ----- TURN ----- [2d 7c 4d][Ad] ----- RIVER ----- [2d 7c 4d Ad][Ah] 1860 sits back ----- SHOW DOWN ----- lissi31: shows [As 7d] (A Full House, Aces full of Sevens) Jomell66: shows [7s 7h] (A Full House, Sevens full of Aces) lissi31 collected $597.80 from Main pot ----- SUMMARY ----- Total pot $600.80 Main pot $597.80 Rake $3 Board [2d 7c 4d Ad Ah] Seat 1: thehaggis (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: treasure (small blind) folded on the Flop Seat 3: Jomell66 (big blind) showed [7s 7h] and lost with A Full House, Sevens full of Aces Seat 4: 1860 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: Sukhv2105 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: Bu7pin folded on the Flop Seat 8: lissi31 showed [As 7d] and won ($597.80) with A Full House, Aces full of Sevens Seat 9: GrandXx folded on the Flop Seat 10: Mari06017 folded on the Flop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Intensity Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here That's sick mate:puke Think that counts as a proper bad beat - just over 6%:unsure:unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAM Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here I've never posted in here but this one made me laugh and summed up the last month for me :wall Time to give up I reckon :ok ***** Hand 1270841742 ***** 750.00/1500.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 09 October 2008 22:34:53 10TH B`DAY 10K ADDED (Real/Tournament) Seat 1: floptops (50240.00) Seat 2: noodlehed (13285.00) Seat 3: bamzi 2 (61778.00) Seat 4: MCFC66 (15440.00) Seat 5: Dionceline (14447.00) Seat 6: fibobg (11550.00) Seat 7: Chinoca (40425.00) Seat 8: cntgetme (11588.00) Seat 9: plmtblk (16516.00) Chinoca post SB 750.00 cntgetme post BB 1500.00 ** Deal ** floptops [N/A, N/A] noodlehed [N/A, N/A] bamzi 2 [N/A, N/A] MCFC66 [10h, 10d] Dionceline [N/A, N/A] fibobg [N/A, N/A] Chinoca [N/A, N/A] cntgetme [N/A, N/A] plmtblk [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** plmtblk Fold floptops Fold noodlehed Fold bamzi 2 Fold MCFC66 All-in 15440.00 Dionceline Fold fibobg All-in 11550.00 Chinoca Fold cntgetme Fold *** Flop(Board): *** : [10s, 4c, 4d] *** Turn(Board): *** : [10s, 4c, 4d, Ac] *** River(Board): *** : [10s, 4c, 4d, Ac, Ah] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 26700.00 floptops Fold Win: 0.00 noodlehed Fold Win: 0.00 bamzi 2 Fold Win: 0.00 MCFC66 [10h, 10d] Full house Win: 0.00 Dionceline Fold Win: 0.00 fibobg [Ad, Kc] Full house Win: 26700.00 Chinoca Fold Win: 0.00 cntgetme Fold Win: 0.00 plmtblk Fold Win: 0.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here It was a coin flip - not a bad beat :tongue2 Eeeeek - rumbled - I never read this thread, honest guv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazdiamonds Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here not posted in this thread before but at the moment its just getting ridiculous first stt today. me AA flop k 10 3 i raise, opponent pushes all in, i call, he shows A7 turn 7 river 7 he had no flush draw on flop, what can you do. turned pc off in disgust last night, might as well do the same again now. As already said, you just know its coming Its beyond a joke now. 90+% i get chips in ahead but it seems i lose about 90% instead, Ive had bad runs before[and expect them] but its taking the urine at the moment. just hope it turns round soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAM Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here It was a coin flip - not a bad beat :tongue2 Eeeeek - rumbled - I never read this thread' date= honest guv Sorry but I couldn't find the "I know it went all in pre flop but 99% on the flop was good until he hit an amazing runner runner" thread :tongue2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avongirl Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here I've never posted in here but this one made me laugh and summed up the last month for me :wall Time to give up I reckon :ok I think the writing was on the wall for you in this tournament. It had 666 runners, paying 16666.00, you play as MCFC66 so where else did you expect to go out but in 66th? :loon I see Noodlehed who was on your table went on to come 2nd. :eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punto Banco Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here Running super hot here... in 5 minutes... ***** Hand 1277562617 ***** 25.00/50.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - Wednesday, 15 October 2008 5:06:27 AM Holdem Speed (Real/Tournament) Seat 1: RayPenber (980.00) Seat 2: kasperkai (811.00) Seat 3: speri70 (1335.00) Seat 4: pipporman (2299.00) Seat 5: dinnye84 (2075.00) RayPenber post SB 25.00 kasperkai post BB 50.00 ** Deal ** RayPenber [Kd, Ks] kasperkai [N/A, N/A] speri70 [N/A, N/A] pipporman [N/A, N/A] dinnye84 [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** speri70 Raise to 150.00 pipporman Fold dinnye84 Fold RayPenber All-in 980.00 kasperkai Fold speri70 Call 980.00 *** Flop(Board): *** : [9d, 6s, Jh] *** Turn(Board): *** : [9d, 6s, Jh, 3h] *** River(Board): *** : [9d, 6s, Jh, 3h, 5s] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 2010.00 RayPenber [Kd, Ks] Pair of kings Win: 0.00 kasperkai Fold Win: 0.00 speri70 [As, Ah] Pair of aces Win: 2010.00 pipporman Fold Win: 0.00 dinnye84 Fold Win: 0.00 ***** Hand 1277568727 ***** 15.00/30.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - Wednesday, 15 October 2008 5:09:55 AM Holdem Speed (Real/Tournament) Seat 1: Bundy79 (1500.00) Seat 2: RayPenber (1485.00) Seat 3: holgerHUnd (1470.00) Seat 4: inf[e]rno (1545.00) Seat 5: Knoff (1500.00) holgerHUnd post SB 15.00 inf[e]rno post BB 30.00 ** Deal ** Bundy79 [N/A, N/A] RayPenber [Qd, Qc] holgerHUnd [N/A, N/A] inf[e]rno [N/A, N/A] Knoff [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** Knoff Fold Bundy79 Fold RayPenber Raise to 105.00 holgerHUnd Raise to 285.00 inf[e]rno Fold RayPenber All-in 1485.00 holgerHUnd All-in 1470.00 *** Flop(Board): *** : [4h, 4s, 3s] *** Turn(Board): *** : [4h, 4s, 3s, Kh] *** River(Board): *** : [4h, 4s, 3s, Kh, 7c] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 2970.00 Bundy79 Fold Win: 0.00 RayPenber [Qd, Qc] Two pair queens and fours Win: 0.00 holgerHUnd [Ks, Kd] Full house Win: 2970.00 inf[e]rno Fold Win: 0.00 Knoff Fold Win: 0.00 :sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samba_SamPa Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Re: Had a bad beat ? Come and have a moan here This is the 'Bad Beat' thread MaKDa... I mean Punto ;) ... not the getting your chips in when way behind thread :tongue2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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