Racing Chat Thread

[Jimmy2shoes]

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obviously not relevant to UK punting but I have just read Gary Stevens is making a comeback after 7 years of retirement at the age of 49. In the brief period he was stable jockey to Michael Stoute , watching him ride, I'd say he's the best jockeys I have ever seen. Many punters will argue its Lester Piggott but I only saw him in his twilight years.

He was a cracking jockey, i remember his trip over here very well.

[NeilM]

http://www.drf.com/news/gary-stevens-returns-saddle-sunday-santa-anita Says that riding Strong Suit made him want to return to the saddle.

[cpo]

Re: Daily Racing Chat Thread Just looking back at the Becher form last year. This was probably one of favourite races from 2012 just for the pure guts and determination showed from the 14 year old Hello Bud to hold on. I thought for all money that I was going to collect with my bet on Big Fella Thanks but he didn't find as much as expected and Hello Bud just kept grinding it out from the front and held on from this years Grand National favourite Join Together. Love the commentary of the race as well and it still gives me tingles listening to it! Cracking race! Maybe we should start a best race of 2012 thread!

[Bathtime For Rupert]

Re: Daily Racing Chat Thread Lexus. Saved the best 'til last! Can't think of many others to compete from an objective point of view.

[erhaab1965]

Re: Daily Racing Chat Thread Just heard that John Egan is setting up as a trainer. He is infamous for pulling off jobs all over the world and has had his licence revoked from here to Timbuktoo. Keep an eye open for his runners and make a note, a good opportunity to make a few dollars when the time is right, this guy knows how to handbrake.

[jayalexander]

He has a runner today, I believe, or it may have been yesterday...

[makthedon]

Hi, Egan had Salam Alaykum at Dundalk last night, well backed but finished 4/8 beaten just under 3 lengths. Is this the same guy?

[erhaab1965]

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Hi, Egan had Salam Alaykum at Dundalk last night, well backed but finished 4/8 beaten just under 3 lengths. Is this the same guy?

Yes The money behind this venture as also the owner of the horse, judging by its name, the owner is in it for pleasure and not for gambling purposes, although that doesn't mean the trainer will not be hand braking.

[erhaab1965]

Re: Daily Racing Chat Thread Does any of the all weather enthusiasts know any background information of Ricardo Lanfranco, I'm not a big follower of the artificial surfaces, iv never heard of him to be honest. Has he been an understudy to a local trainer? If so who? Is he straight or does he like to pull off gambles? Any information would be great,even if it's a snippet. Thanks

[erhaab1965]

Re: Daily Racing Chat Thread To the guys with stripes on their shoulders who police the forum. I like the Daily Racing Chat thread, what's the possibility of breaking it down and introducing a Trainer thread, horses thread and use this thread for general news and opinions. The Trainer thread could be to highlight who's in form and who's not etc.. The Horse thread to include things like horses to follow blah blah blah.. This would be great for punters as a punting tool as well as another couple of on going long term threads. Just an idea.

[mowgli77]

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To the guys with stripes on their shoulders who police the forum. I like the Daily Racing Chat thread, what's the possibility of breaking it down and introducing a Trainer thread, horses thread and use this thread for general news and opinions. The Trainer thread could be to highlight who's in form and who's not etc.. The Horse thread to include things like horses to follow blah blah blah.. This would be great for punters as a punting tool as well as another couple of on going long term threads. Just an idea.

Sounds ok to me but see what the others think. I started this thread mainly because sometimes people have a question to ask that doesn't really need a new thread or they just want to post snippets of info rather than get into a long discussion but also in place of a chat room. I also started the jockey thread but mainly as a thread to highlight up and coming jockeys, that one has turned into a "blame the jockey" thread if we're honest. There is an "eyecatchers" thread that is basically the horses to follow that you mention, if you search for it you can bump it if you want and see if it takes off again, went pretty much unused last time after a short period of time. Maybe because I put a template in there to use, maybe people just wanted to post a horses name and a few words of why it is 1 to follow. :ok PS: The older ones have pips instead of stripes.

[BillyHills]

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Does any of the all weather enthusiasts know any background information of Ricardo Lanfranco, I'm not a big follower of the artificial surfaces, iv never heard of him to be honest. Has he been an understudy to a local trainer? If so who? Is he straight or does he like to pull off gambles? Any information would be great,even if it's a snippet. Thanks

[h=2]Ricardo Lanfranco[/h]

Racehorse Trainer

Darlington, United Kingdom | Sports

Past:

Racehorse Trainer at Bolton Hall Stables, Assistant Trainer at Noel Wilson Racing, Head Lad at David Barron Racing, Head Lad at Kevin Ryan Racing...

Education:

Racing NSW Australia, University Of Sydney

[BillyHills]

Re: Daily Racing Chat Thread Erhaab, may i ask a question; You request a couple of new threads which is quite reasonable and i personally have no objections on the face of it but what would you use these threads for, out of the following options; a) To provide useful info for other members b) To point out after the event which trainers were pulling a fast one c) Which horses were not trying in any particular race d) Just read what other members post for you own use at a later date The main reason i ask is that many of your comments are about gambles, crooks, bad bookie practices and other related things and i find most of them entertaining but i apologise if i'm wrong but i cant a find a single selection that you have contributed to the forum, so the question is why do you not share your horse selections with other members, ever? Its not compulsory of course but just wondered why this was? Feel free to open new threads, if they are not working they will drop off the page, no harm done:ok

[erhaab1965]

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Erhaab, may i ask a question; You request a couple of new threads which is quite reasonable and i personally have no objections on the face of it but what would you use these threads for, out of the following options; a) To provide useful info for other members b) To point out after the event which trainers were pulling a fast one c) Which horses were not trying in any particular race d) Just read what other members post for you own use at a later date The main reason i ask is that many of your comments are about gambles, crooks, bad bookie practices and other related things and i find most of them entertaining but i apologise if i'm wrong but i cant a find a single selection that you have contributed to the forum, so the question is why do you not share your horse selections with other members, ever? Its not compulsory of course but just wondered why this was? Feel free to open new threads, if they are not working they will drop off the page, no harm done:ok

All of your above reasons. Horses could be highlighted and they could be easily found one a specific thread rather than search by date if it was on a daily betting thread. I admit I do post about bent races,but often I am just highlighting it is bent rather than moaning it is bent.I don't mind 'bent' trainers like F Murphy, B Ellison,etc, I acknowledge its part of how they operate. I don't think there are rubbish trainers, I'm sure all of them are able to land a touch given the correct conditions. I have to admit I don't like jockeys who in my opinion who are bent,those who deliberately ensure horses that don't win,I'm sure there are some of you who are sick of my whining. I personally don't like to influence others towards selections. Many years ago my workmates knew I liked a bet and was in the bookies at break time and on my days off.They used to be casual punters but they would encourage me to pick out 'winners' for them,I did so but ended up losing money, they always backed what I fancied in the Grand National and Derby, I mostly lost along with their cash albeit they only bet in pennies and pounds. I said to myself I would not be responsible for others losing money so that's why I don't post selections. I have tried to answer your question, but I think it may be just a few random sentences, I'm on my tablet in the casino which I struggle to structure proper replies because of the small screen. FEEL free to ask me any follow up questions.

[BillyHills]

Re: Daily Racing Chat Thread Thanks Erhaab for the reply; People use forums like the PL for different reasons, some just like to let off a bit of steam, some just like the community feel of like minded members and others just take part in the competitions. I cant fault you for getting involved in the discussions we have and respect your views although i must admit sometimes they can come over as a bit negative towards the sport which as you know is a pet-hate of mine. You obviously have a lot of experience which adds to the place and just wondered why you dont use that in the tipping threads from time to time, as its not good practice to say you have had a lucky 15 up after the event etc...... Its hard to make a forum work for everyone and we need all types of posters for it to succeed, i personally dont like those who just log on enter the BBOTD and then log off and offer nothing else to the forum, i would like to bet they dont even look at the other threads. I personally blame the mobile devices for this, when using a phone or the iPad you cant see the whole forum and miss out on discussions etc.. I know this is true as when i change rules in the BBOTD, TC or DHRC comps many are not even aware of them as they dont see the new threads. These Apps and the like, they call it social networking it think its had a bad effect on the good old forum. You can see my concerns about new threads that will just turn into a witch hunt against certain trainers, the jockey thread is bad enough and to be honest i dont read that now, just think its pointless and many posts are from people who have just done their dough, i accept that people have a right to moan when cash is on the line but how many have actually ridden a horse or been involved in high pressure sport? As i said i have no objections to these new threads and its the members not the 'PL Police' that decide what works. Its all about getting the right balance is suppose and thats not easy. PS: Hope you found the info on R.Lanfranco above:ok

[cpo]

Re: Daily Racing Chat Thread ridiculous recent form from David O'Meara with his record reading 2-1-2-6-2-2-1-3-1-1-1-1-1-3-1-1-1-3 and they have just had another winner!

[erhaab1965]

Re: Daily Racing Chat Thread Thanks BH that's exactly the info I wanted on that trainer, short and to the point. What site is it from? Regarding my suggestions, it was inspired by V Williams landing a treble yesterday, I thought wouldn't it be helpful if there was a trainer thread, we could highlight she is in form . When looking for selections, I on occassions use non form based factors such as trainer form. If I was having a better today and was online or in the bookies, I'd have seriously considered V Williams horses regardless of horse form. The above post regarding David Omera would be helpful too, if it in a easy to locate thread. A bit like the Signposts section in the Racing Post

[BillyHills]

Re: Daily Racing Chat Thread Ok, so lets start a new thread then. Just got the info by googling his name, never heard of him:lol

[Lodge]

Re: Daily Racing Chat Thread That 1.00 race at Lingfield was messy wasnt it! Beat Route seems to find trouble every single time it runs

[nickf88]

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That 1.00 race at Lingfield was messy wasnt it! Beat Route seems to find trouble every single time it runs

Probert given 3 day ban and Eddie Ahern's ride going to be investigated by the BHA according to Matt Chapman on ATR.

[Lodge]

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Probert given 3 day ban and Eddie Ahern's ride going to be investigated by the BHA according to Matt Chapman on ATR.

He did lay into Ahern abit didnt he!

[nickf88]

Re: Daily Racing Chat Thread Chapman now saying Ahern not being investigated :rollin

[nickf88]

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He did lay into Ahern abit didnt he!

Yeah I thought so too, personally I'd have thought Ahern thought the race wasn't there to be won after being blocked so many times so why whip the horse half to death in a losing battle?

[jayalexander]

Re: Daily Racing Chat Thread Just having my first read over Nick Mordin's website. Refreshing that a racing site is not asking for money for the info that it provides - seems pretty good stuff, too! Does he do any TV work?

[NeilM]

Periodically does stuff for William Hill TV. Admittedly not actual telly but it's buried on the Hills site somewhere.

[mowgli77]

Re: Daily Racing Chat Thread Quick question, input appreciated. Huntingdon 2.20pm race. I backed Asaid at 5-1 to win. I was confident it would at least place but felt it could be good enough to win the race. I priced up the first three in the betting at 2-1, 3-1 and 7-2, the SP's were 11-10 Malt Master, 9-4 Brass Tax (3rd) and 7-2 Asaid (2nd) and I felt the only one offering value was Asaid at 5-1. I backed the right horse for the right reasons but should I have backed it win only or each way, bearing in mind the confidence that it would at least place? I clearly had Malt Master too long in my tissue as it won by 5 lengths fairly easily but still wouldn't have backed it at the price available. Would an each way bet at 5's have been too cautious or the sensible option?

[south_eastern_ram]

Re: Daily Racing Chat Thread I quite like those each way bets to nothing, i normally end up putting more on though which probably isnt wise. This bloke from the racing post on ATR at the moment is a right twat. 'If you can pick the best horse in the race 9 times out of 10 you'll win' - great advice.

[cpo]

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Quick question' date=' input appreciated. Huntingdon 2.20pm race. I backed Asaid at 5-1 to win. I was confident it would at least place but felt it could be good enough to win the race. I priced up the first three in the betting at 2-1, 3-1 and 7-2, the SP's were 11-10 Malt Master, 9-4 Brass Tax (3rd) and 7-2 Asaid (2nd) and I felt the only one offering value was Asaid at 5-1. I backed the right horse for the right reasons but should I have backed it win only or each way, bearing in mind the confidence that it would at least place? I clearly had Malt Master too long in my tissue as it won by 5 lengths fairly easily but still wouldn't have backed it at the price available. Would an each way bet at 5's have been too cautious or the sensible option?[/quote'] I think its down to personal preference. I lot of guys don't like backing each way but I do prefer it. I think for me it's the mindset of still getting at least your stake back if you finished placed. Yes you don't win anywhere near as much if it wins but I would much rather have that safety net of finishing 2nd or 3rd. At 5/1 with a strong favourite in the race, that would have been an each way bet for me. I am sure it was you that backed Mischievous Milly when it won last time out? I can't believe the price of the last winner at Huntingdon. She finished just 2 lengths behind MM on her first run who has since franked the form twice, yet she was still allowed to go off at 22/1. Terrible bit of after-timing but I did back her on the basis of that run behind MM but she bolted up. Definitely a case of small trainer syndrome

[Primevil]

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I quite like those each way bets to nothing, i normally end up putting more on though which probably isnt wise. This bloke from the racing post on ATR at the moment is a right twat. 'If you can pick the best horse in the race 9 times out of 10 you'll win' - great advice.

I heard that... if you can get the best horse 5 out of 10 your a genius...IMO They bet with monopoly money at the racing post, their ar$es have never twitched in their lives, I rate 1 or 2 Journalists, they are the ones who have been through the mill. Pure guess work by most of them, look at a race for two mins, and they have it sussed!,,IF ONLY

[jayalexander]

Quick question' date=' input appreciated. Huntingdon 2.20pm race. I backed Asaid at 5-1 to win. I was confident it would at least place but felt it could be good enough to win the race. I priced up the first three in the betting at 2-1, 3-1 and 7-2, the SP's were 11-10 Malt Master, 9-4 Brass Tax (3rd) and 7-2 Asaid (2nd) and I felt the only one offering value was Asaid at 5-1. I backed the right horse for the right reasons but should I have backed it win only or each way, bearing in mind the confidence that it would at least place? I clearly had Malt Master too long in my tissue as it won by 5 lengths fairly easily but still wouldn't have backed it at the price available. Would an each way bet at 5's have been too cautious or the sensible option?[/quote'] If you backed it ew, would you have gained any satisfaction from just getting your money back or would it have just been a relief? If in the same situation I would have halved my stake for the win or grudgingly gone for the place on betfair.