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There have been changes along the way' date=' I'd have to go back and do some analysis to see if any could have had any bearing on the poor results ...[/quote'] In my bets, I often see a pattern and then move fairly quickly to adopt my betting to what I see as a 'winning system' ... and it almost always then goes wrong. For example, I had a pattern recently when I made money betting on in-play 'unders' - I won nearly every bet for several days. Then I increased the stakes a bit, and bet on more games - and sure enough a steady string of losing bets followed :loon I thought your approach of backing bets where a bookie was offering odds with a noticeable 'edge' over the market (?) was a promising one, and that's why I'm surprised at such a big downturn ...
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Let's hope for a bit of an upturn with this selection! Wales v Italy: 10 points on Williams to score a try at 9/2 with BF Sportsbook Edge of 62%. Next best price is 7/4 and, though most of his tries have come when he was a sub, I still think he shouldn't be such a big price against today's opponents.

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I was going to say "no" as I would have expected an email or something within my account but I did get a call from a blocked number at 3 o'clock yesterday afternoon. I never answer such calls as they are usually firms offering to reclaim miss sold Payment Protection Insurance! Given the choice you were offered I would have voided the bet. As they simply settled it as a loser I can only trust they would have honoured the bet had it won! Either way, I'd have recorded the actual outcome in the results if the bet had won. The only other similar instance in this thread resulted in an email from the firm in question telling me the bet was voided and leaving it up to me whether I wished to bet again at the revised price. I left that one alone and posted in advance that the bet had been voided. In this instance, all I can do is record it as a loser and wish that I'd answered that phone call!

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Wales v Uruguay: 10 points on Tipuric to score a try at 2.33 with 888 Edge of 29.8 %. Not surprisingly, the bookies aren't taking any chances with Wales tryscorer prices but I've decided to go with this one, the only player on either side to be shortlisted by the system. I was going to pass him up based on just 2 tries from 33 caps but they don't play Uruguay in every game and he scored those tries in each of his last 2 outings. The clincher for me was that he's been tipped by the RP at 10/11 so, given the way their tips and they system selections have performed so far, it makes it an obvious call to take him at odds against.

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An overdue update. If I'm honest, I've been looking that closely at the World Cup games that I've not always focused on the system bets aspect. For what it's worth, there have been 4 winners from 17 bets in World Cup games showing just over a 2 point profit.

Starting bank 1000 points

Current bank 1033.87 points

Total staked 5649 points

Number of bets 559 

Winning bets 91 

Losing bets 468 

Strike rate 16.23%

Yield 0.6%

Profit (or Loss) +33.87 points

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I appreciate it's all gone a bit quiet over here so thought I'd share my intentions. I'm planning to start a new thread with a new system, possibly on 1st January with a view to running it for the whole of 2016. With this in mind, I've created a new spreadsheet and been trying it out since the World Cup.

There's been some evolution during the life of this thread and I feel any further changes mean it would be more appropriate to treat it as a new system. Current intentions are as follows.

  • Fixed odds anytime bets will still be the main focus. With more firms offering a wider range of prices there's greater scope for value than on the spreads. I may include the occasional "2 or more tries" bet as well. The main change will be basing the selection more on the market midpoint of the spread prices than just on the best available buy price. Currently, I'd treat two players the same way if all the spread firms priced one's try minutes at 7-10 and the other's at 7-10 and 10-13. The respective midpoints of their prices are 8.5 and 10, meaning the 2nd player is valued more highly than the first. At the same fixed odds price I'd be more likely to back the 2nd player than the 1st one.
  • Buys of player try minutes will be included again but with stricter criteria meaning there will be less potential bets to review, hopefully with a greater chance of value. (For instance, I may not bet on any player who is 7-10 with all firms but might consider those who can be bought or sold at 10. Such "spread free" bets are the equivalent of a 100% fixed odds book.)
  • Buys of "Hotshots" will be included, where the firms quote a price for 4 named players based on 25 points being awarded per try. The spreadsheet prices that market up for me so it's no extra work to spot potential bets and not much effort to decide whether to place a bet. This appeals as a way of spreading risk further and a single try can often be enough to show a small profit.
  • Finally, as well as tracking the performance of the actual selections, I'd like to compare that to blindly backing every shortlisted selection or the (say) top 6 based on the perceived edge. Put simply, no point in spending ages on research to reach a subjective decision if backing some or all of the selections blindly yields better results.

The spreadsheet just needs a bit more work to be ready to go. In the meantime, there might be the occasional selection in here based on the current criteria.

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Edinburgh v Dragons:

10 points on du Preez at 5/1

10 points on Hardie at 6/1

5 points on Burleigh at 10/1

All with PP, edges of 24.5%, 45.3% and 65.3%. In terms of the "true" price suggested by the midpoint of the spread prices (see previous post) the edges would be 13.3%, 25.6% and 54.3% so still decent on that basis.

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