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A few questions about poker live...


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I know this has come up a lot but wanted a few more details about going to play Poker at the casino. I am planning a trip out with a couple of mates at a Gala casino in Teeside two weeks today for my birthday weekend. I went on the website and got a couple of forms to register with the casino and have sent them off today. Are they really that strict? Or do you generally just get away with turning up? Also, whats the dress code usually? Would I get away with Jeans or would I need a shirt and shoes? What type of games can you play? If it like online where I will be able to choose from unlimited £10/ £20/ £50 No Limit tournaments with 10 entrants or is it mainly re-buys/ pot limit games? I was hoping to take about £50 cash and no bank cards so I dont get carried away. Maybe play a couple of £25 No Limit tournaments. Do I start out with 1000 chips or would it be of a different structure? And finally....... can you drink at the table!! :D Advise Appreciated :)

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Re: A few questions about poker live...

Are they really that strict? Or do you generally just get away with turning up?
They're really that strict.
Also, whats the dress code usually? Would I get away with Jeans or would I need a shirt and shoes?
Depends on the casino. Ring them.
What type of games can you play? If it like online where I will be able to choose from unlimited £10/ £20/ £50 No Limit tournaments with 10 entrants or is it mainly re-buys/ pot limit games?
Depends on the casino. Ring them.
I was hoping to take about £50 cash and no bank cards so I dont get carried away. Maybe play a couple of £25 No Limit tournaments.
Most casinos only play one competition per night. Cash games can follow afterwards but the players tend to be very good.
Do I start out with 1000 chips or would it be of a different structure?
Normally the casinos I play at start you at 1,500 chips. Not that the starting chip matter as it is all relative.
And finally....... can you drink at the table!!
Not in any casino I've ever been in, in the UK. :(
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Re: A few questions about poker live...

North East - Gala Casino Teesside
Aintree Oval Road Teeside Leisure Park Stockton-on-Tees County Durham TS17 7JH
Tel: 01642 603 030 Fax: 01642 606 000
Facilities
Large free car park
Chargrill menu
Open 6pm – 2am Mon – Sat, 6pm – 12.30am Sun
7 american roulette tables
Jackpot/Slot machines
4 blackjack tables
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3 jackpot stud poker tables
1 punto banco table
Manager: Garry Oldfield
Dress Code: Smart Casual. No torn or ripped jeans. No sportswear. Suitable trainers only.
24 hours after joining a casino you can sign in yourself plus non-member guests. You should check with your casino how many guests you can sign in - most allow you up to six. Please remember to bring along ID - debit/credit card, driving licence or passport. Guests must only show ID on their second visit.
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Re: A few questions about poker live... I play at Gala in Nottingham. The dress code is strictish no torn jeans or sportswear but you don't have to turn looking like James Bond! You can drink all you like at the table, in fact if your not drinking alcohol it is free for soft drinks or tea. The structure in nottingham is mtt varies between 20 and 30 quid with unlimited re buys and one add on for the first 90 mins (gets expensive if your not getting the cards). The final table pays. There is also a cash game afterwards as people go out but the standard is high and it is a mixed game often (7 card stud, omaha and so on)

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Re: A few questions about poker live... Hi Darlo...just thought I would add a few things to this thread over what has already been said. First of all basically.....yes you have to join in advance NO exceptions...The dress code varies from casino to casino....definately no trainers or sportswear but apart from that phone and ask the casino, some allow jeans some dont etc. The type of games you play...well again you have to phone the casino and ask but basically it will probably go like this. They will run a poker tournament on some nights of the week (not every night..only a couple do this like blackpool I think). Phone up and find what nights they run the poker tournaments (ask to be put through to the card room if the guy on the desk doesnt know) - you will prob find they run a couple every week. The cost of entering will be different on different nights probably, most likely between 5 and 30 pounds. Except on special occasions like festivals, live casino poker tournaments are almost always REBUYS. So you will get say 1000 chips to start with, but once you have lost them you can just pay the entry fee again and have another 1000. You have to take this into account in your budget, if its a 10 pound rebuy then definately take along at least 40 quid or it will spoil your enjoyment. Basically during the rebuy phase (especially in the cheaper ones) people just go all in all the time trying to get chips with to play the tournament later on when the rebuys stop. Almost every hand will be raised big preflop and you will see people in with some right shite cards just trying to get lucky. Its just roullete with cards. I told all this to alien the first time he ever went to play in a live tournament and said....if you get dealt a good hand UTG then you can just limp as honestly everyone will probably end up all in preflop. Funnily enough I got seated at aliens table and on the first hand of the night he limped UTG and amazingly everyone just flat called...there was no raise preflop (during the 10 quid rebuy phase at Dundee casino the last time this happened was 1972 probably :lol) So we ended up on the flop, he bet the pot and of course as usual EVERYONE at the table ended up all in. Alien turned over pocket rockets AA to see everyone in with a myriad of straight draws, flush draws, top pairs, middle pairs, overcards to the board - EVERYTHING out against him. Unbelievably he held up (I think there was only 2 blanks in the deck) and it was a baptism of fire. Just expect it to be a volatile game and there to be a ton of bad beats. People will raise blind preflop and as soon as one person has called the next person will call with 93 of hearts as it "was valentines day last weekend" and the next person will reraise with J2o to "try and get the pot head to head for the value :lol". Once you have made it through the rebuy phase (hopefully with some chips) it all settles down into a proper poker tournament. You almost certainly will be able to drink whilst you are playing as well which is good for a laugh with your mates As for cash games, depending on the size of the casino they might have a few, or just one. My local has just one which is a dealers choice game - its a small casino tho. But Dundee which I go to has two that start up on the poker nights...A dealers choice game with a minimum sit down of 100 quid and a texas hold em only game with a min sit down of 30 quid (there is usually no maximum). The dealers choice games can be good fun, whoever has the button picks the game - but you will see plenty of experienced, good players and some weird and wonderful games (6 card crazy pineapple anybody??) so just be careful, I would avoid it if you are unsure about some of the games. If they run a texas only game tho then have a blast with your mates cos they are good fun.... Jez

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Re: A few questions about poker live... Well, I am going to the casino tonight and have just rang them to find out what games are to be played. Like you expected Jez, its going to be a £10 multi-table tournament with unlimited re-buys for the first 105 minutes. I just wanted a few more details on this as I have never played re-buys and really dont like the sound of them too much... How much money do you think I will need? I was planning on taking £50 to bet with and then my drinking money on top. Is this enough for a re-buy tourney? I know it depends on how I play but could I find myself being out within minutes and on my way back home or should I be able to get through the re-buy stage if I play cautious. How many chips will I start with, and how many do you generally need to take into the final table once the re-buys have stopped? Is it more fast paced than your usual STT on Paradise Poker for example or will I be alright slow playing as normal. If I lose all my chips, do I have to re-buy in straight away or can I sit out for a while? Thanks in advance.

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Re: A few questions about poker live... Ok, if you are allowed to re-buy as soon as you are below your starting chips level :- Limp in at the earliest opportunity (unless you have a hand you want to raise with). If someone raises, then fold + re-buy. If no-one raises, you see the flop + then decide what to do. Basic idea is to double up first hand. Just before the cut off limit for re-buys, if your chips are say 1.5 times your starting stack, try to either win a hand or drop just below your starting chips again, so you can re-buy. Obviously, if the re-buys are only for once you've lost your chips then the above doesn't apply.

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Re: A few questions about poker live... Good luck tonight mate... Regarding Add-ons, (wich normally is in a break) you should buy that Add-on if you are below average in chips.. (but keep an eye on the other. If everyone buy add on, and you think you was close average before add-on, then you should problably take the add-on as well).. If you are chip leader, then just skip it. ;-) / cains

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Re: A few questions about poker live... Hi Darlo, That sounds like a great game you are going to mate..Dont worry about the rebuy thing, it is usual for live games to be rebuys. It's not like the internet where if you get bombed out you can just click on the next tourney and are in again in seconds, some people will drive a long way to play in casino games and would be pretty pissed off if they got bombed out first hand on a bad beat to find the journey was all for nothing! Hence with rebuys everyone knows they are guaranteed at least 2hrs of poker if they want it before they go and it generates larger fields. 50 quid for the tourney sounds just about right. I tend to be quite rebuytastic :o in 10 quid games and I would say I prob spend about 50 quid in tenner games on average so unless you are very unlucky you prob wont even spend that. You will be able to have the freedom to play a couple of pots during the rebuy phase and thus enjoy yourself a lot more knowing you can have a rebuy or two. Frequently we get new players coming down to the 10 quid rebuy game at my local casino and if they dont like the fact they might have a few rebuys they HATE it - not a good way to start your live poker career so just go with the flow! I would say you should maybe play quite tight early on just waiting for the goods and if you have not had a rebuy (or got any chips - if you have just sit tight!) in the last 15 mins of the rebuys you can enter into some of the madness and just play roullete with cards with everyone else :lol (in an attempt to get chips which is what they will all be doing). The chips you start with depends entirely on the casino you go to. Probably between 1000 and 2000 with a big blind of between 20 and 100 to start with - just a rough estimate tho. I could not estimate the amount of chips you would need to be in with a decent chance in the final without knowing the amount of runners (players) starting out. I would hazard a VERY rough guess at 30 times your starting chips. You will find its a lot slower paced than on the internet - if you get 70 hands an hr in on paradise you will prob get 30 an hour in at a live game. Theres no 15 second timer on decisions and no auto post blind button :lol. Also the dealer has to shuffle etc (and sort out vicious to calculate side pots!!) and just having the crack etc all slows it down a little. If you lose all your chips you will have to shout for a rebuy straight away. You can leave the table if you have chips there but the rule in our local is if you are away for more than 3 hands you have to post whatever the big blind is EVERY hand - so dont be away long! There will be a couple of breaks in play tho for 15 mins or so, probably after the rebuys and just before the final. An add on is just like a rebuy, it costs a tenner and gives you your starting chips again. You (and everyone else) are given the option to take it at the end of the rebuys no matter how many chips you have. Oh and a final thing, all the rebuy money goes into the prizepool with no deductions so you are not losing out on anything effectively by rebuying...a good player just about always has "value" in making a rebuy so dont worry about them too much. GL tonight mate and tell us all how it went.... Jez

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Re: A few questions about poker live... Just thought I would let you all know how it went on Friday. Well, as soon as we got in we realised we might be a little over dressed. Wearing a white shirt, work trousers and polished black loafers I thought I would just blend in but I was suprised to see a bunch of townies all wearing jeans, adidas tracksuit tops etc :lol The tournament started at 8pm and there was 70 people registered (which was the maximum allowed). £10 buy-in and you got 1500 chips. First thing I noticed was that everybody was on first name terms so you already start thinking your an outsider :lol There was also no dealers so we had to have somebody from each table to take charge (is this normal??) luckily, everybody seemed to be very good and there were no arguments. I played like I would play on the internet for the first 25 minutes or so. Pretty tight and not paying to see many flops unless I had a great hand. I was starting to check people out and there was this women next to me who was going all in early on with cards like 9 4 offsuit and just hoping to hit. This is where I started to follow suit a little. When she was going all-in I kept calling when I had hands like K9 etc and knowing most of the time I would be favorite. Unfortunatly, a couple of other people were going for it aswell and I got outdrawn. I knew as soon as I won a big pot that it would set me up for the rest of the tourney and it happened when I picked up 77 and a 7 came on the flop. Four people went all in and I picked up about 6000 chips. I played it tight after this and then in the last hands before the end of the rebuy stage I picked up JJ. Thinking back to advise from the Punters Lounge, I thought this is make or break and went all in for about 4000 chips. Three people called, one had K7 and another had Q9. My jacks held up and I think I took just over 10000 chips in to the "proper tourney". I think this was about average at that stage so I was quite pleased. Meanwhile on the other table I think my brother was about chip leader with 25000 chips or so. About 68 people made it through the the final stages and it was a lot more tighter all around with many people stealing the blinds. I didnt do very much after this in all fairness. My chips were going down very slightly and I only won one hand of any credit. I got 9 7 diamonds on my big blind and there was just me and our tables (very loose) chip leader. Flop came 9x 6d 2d and he raised 1000 for me to re-raise a 1000 which he called. Next card was something like a jack and I re-raised him all in for him to bottle it. That was one of the rare occasions where I bossed a hand. I picked up AA once and with me playing tight all the way through, as soon as I did a little raise, everybody folded and I had to settle for the blinds :lol In the end I was getting short staked and kept going all in, eventually going out with AJ in around 30th position. On the other table my brother went out in 21st after his QQ got caught out by K6. I had to re-buy 4 times so in the end I spent my £50 which I budgeted for and I got 3 and a half hours worth of poker before getting knocked out. Must say I really enjoyed it and it was a much more relaxed atmosphere than I would have expected. I made one or two cock-ups, once where I pushed all my chips on the table but didnt say "all in" and then they started whinging and would only accept the first chips to hit the table as my bet (Grrr!). Gonna start making it a once a month thing and hopefully get a few more people down next time. By the way, I didnt stay till the end because apparently the final tables can go on until 4am so I would have been waiting round about 4 hours. Top ten got paid and the winner received just over £1500.

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Re: A few questions about poker live... Sounds like you had a good night Darlo. I went to my local casino on Friday too, I hadn`t been for a couple of years and went mainly to see if there was any poker action. Jeez they now have 5 or 6 tourneys a week, 2 on a Sunday too, 1 in the afternoon and 1 in the evening. It was a £2K guaranteed pool, £20 entry with re buys for the 1st hour or so, there was 80 or so registered for it and the rebuys knocked the takings up to just over £1800. One thing that did puzzle me was, as you mentioned before, the dealing. Some tables had a person who did all the dealing and some tables everybody took their turn. All in all though it looked like everybody was having a great time and the atmosphere was so different to what I expected, there was some good banter going on and I couldn`t believe the range of people playing. Elderly men/women, young women probably only just old enough to get in to the place. Definitely an eye opener for me and cant wait to have a crack at the live game.

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Re: A few questions about poker live... Aight Darlo, Glad to hear you had a good night mate - your report reminded me of a lot of the live games I play in. Yeah a lot of the players there will be regulars and of course get to know each other - its a lot more sociable than on the net. They will all know each others names like you said and of course who are the good players and who are the total eejits :lol.

there was this women next to me who was going all in early on with cards like 9 4 offsuit and just hoping to hit. This is where I started to follow suit a little. When she was going all-in I kept calling when I had hands like K9 etc and knowing most of the time I would be favorite. Unfortunatly, a couple of other people were going for it aswell and I got outdrawn
This is par for the course everywhere during rebuys - loadsa action! You will frequently find your good hands outdrawn, but dont let it piss you off - with so much up against you its gonna happen a lot! And the times that you win pots you will find yourself with plenty of chips for the later stages as happened to you. The self-deal thing - I should have mentioned this before you went actually. In my local casino they give us trained casino dealers, but they charge a rake ontop of the entry fee (10+1 20+2 etc) to compensate for this. However a lot of places, as you found out, are going "self deal". Thus the casino handles the money etc and sets up the whole thing but the punters have to deal the game themselves. This isnt anything to worry about but each casino handles it differently. In dundee the same punters deal every week - they are all used to it + good at it. In glasgow, they just deal a high card around the table every couple of hours and whoever gets it deals for the next 2 :lol. You will find the casino will provide a trained dealer for the final. The bonus about self deal is that 99/100 there wont be a "rake" on the original entry fee and 100% of the money goes into the prizepool (although usually the winners sort out giving a bit to the selfdealers at the end). When you dropped the chips over the line before announcing all in and they whinged at you, again I should have mentioned this before you went! What you did is called a "string" bet. Basically, string betting is when you dont clearly state what amount your bet is going to be before your chips cross the line and start to drop them one by one in increasing amounts. If this was allowed, some players could abuse it by watching for peoples reactions as they increased their bets and sized them accordingly. To avoid it, either state clearly the amount of your bet/raise before moving your chips over the line or put everything you are betting/raising across the line in one fluid motion. This is something noone knows at first until they get pulled up for it so again dont worry about it darlo.
I picked up AA once and with me playing tight all the way through, as soon as I did a little raise, everybody folded and I had to settle for the blinds
Hehe yeah....you will have noticed playing live people pay FAR much more attention to how everyone else plays than on the internet. On the net someone might be mega loose playing with crap all the time or a super rock never entering a pot without a big wired pair but the majority of the time their opponents wont really notice. Live however its a different matter...people see your face and remember your tendancies a lot easier...how you deal with this is up to you and how you want to play poker! If you have a tight image you can exploit it by stealing some pots here and there with bets - people will give you credit for a good hand and fold the pots to you - you can make up for your lack of action at other times with this. Jez
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