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Flopped broadway staright Cash game

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Cash game in local casino , 50p/£1 i'm in small blind ( £168 ) Seat3 straddles £1 (£150+) Seat4 calls £1 (£80) Seat5 calls £1 (£250+) Seat 8 raises to £8 (£400+) I call with AT (offsuit red) Seats 2,3,4,5, calls too. £48 in pot. Flop KQJ , 2 spades I bet out my flopped st8 for £12 , for the reasons: Smallish bet to inflate the pot Its highly a few players have hit a lot of the flop and I need to find out who. My small bet is to induce a re raise Big blind folds Seat 3 folds Seat 4 re raises to £50 this is what I want and in my head I am calling.He has around £20 left which I know is going in whatever happens . Seat 5 folds Seat 8 shoves all in for £400+ Back to me , I now have to re evaluate . I have played with him many times in tournaments and he always makes this move with open ended straight draws or flush draws. I decide one or both of them are on these draws or the possibility they have 2 pair or a set. Even though I have them beat at this moment in time , I can even beat KKK , I fold seeing I have put in £20 and could lose £150 if their draws come in. Seat 4 calls his remaining £20. Turn 6 hearts River 3 spades. Seat 8 announces flush Seat 4 mucks , he later says he had King Jack for 2 pair. I made the right fold in this instance , but did I make the right fold strategically ? I was ashamed to tell anyone I folded the nut st8.

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Re: Flopped broadway staright Cash game I think thats an awful fold myself, make him pay to hit his draw, dont pack up and go home because its a bit expensiive. maybe try a smaller game? I would call that in a cash game every single time

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Re: Flopped broadway staright Cash game In Holdem it's not that easy to make the nuts , so folding is crazy unless your scared money in which case should keep momey off the table. Also you said your reason for leading was to inflate the pot and get a re-raise you get all your wishes then fold because he 'might' hit his draw. What did you want to happen on flop ? Saying this is the correct fold is way too results oriented ? You saying it correct to fold AA because 4 others already in and your less than 50% because you still win more than than 20% of the time , but your logic says because you folded the AA you were right more often , even when less profitable.

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Re: Flopped broadway staright Cash game Is this a joke? You had the nuts, you cannot fold. If you are scared about someone hitting their draw you should be playing at lower stakes where you are not scared of this.

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Re: Flopped broadway staright Cash game That's what I was expecting to hear. It's not about scared money, I guessed that I was not a massive favourite to win the pot by the river, so instead of losing £170, I lost £20. I have just inputted the details into a odds calculator and on the flop I'm 50.8% vs 18% for 2 pair vs 31% flush draw , virtually a coin toss. In a tournament situation and you were above average stacked and close to the money , would it be correct to call for your tournament life , knowing you were 50% to win? What if the flop brought 3 spades instead of 2, against my 2 red cards, is it still right to call?

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Re: Flopped broadway staright Cash game 50% to way more than double your stake, that sounds like good odds to me. And they might not have even had hands as good as you thought. You cannot fold there, end of story. Cash game, tournament, anything.

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Re: Flopped broadway staright Cash game The question of if it is all spades on not is a completely different situation as 5 ways its plausible someone already has the flush so your hand is much more vulnerable to losing , where as you had absolute nuts and hands you were up against were the worst combo and a lot of the time be above 60% that not including chop pots , so never fold this spot again EVER

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Re: Flopped broadway staright Cash game And close to a bubble in MTT , doubt you should be playing AT if want to fold when flop nuts cause scared of draw hitting and going home with zero.

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Look,

There is another approach here. On a coordinated board like that, in a multiway pot there is a fair chance that your opponents have hit pretty hard.

Money going in you are up against 2 pair, flush draw or possibly a set. An alternative play is to keep the pot relatively small and see what the turn card brings.

Up against a set and a flush draw there are 18 or so cards that will hurt you on the turn. If it misses the money goes in prior to the river. You are a huge fav at that stage against 1 opponent and probably 60-40 against 2 opponents (assuming 1 set and 1 flush draw). Against 2 pair and a set , or both guys flushing your odds are better.

 

So you can also lower your variance, with a smaller bet on the flop, and bang it hard on the turn where you are prob an 80% favorite.

 

Edited by neilovan

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