Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle

[Aidymac]

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[Blazing Bailey]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle Where do people stand on this race now then? I havent got a clue!

[jockmc]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle With mullins, annie power declared for this, im all over it like a rash lol

[jockmc]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle SORRY CONFIRMED NOT DECLARED

[Blazing Bailey]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle My concern with AP is that I dont like backing horses that havent won over the trip before. I have read a few things about her pedigree and some say she has a stayers pedigree and other say she has a lot of speed in her pedigree. She is obviously a special horse but how many special horses really have the speed for a Champion Hurdle and the stamina for a World Hurdle? I suppose Solwhit isnt far off given his exploits against Hurricane Fly but then again his WH win was run at a crawl. I think this race is turning into a no bet for me unless I can work out what horse is going to come 3rd! lol

[Aidymac]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle Not a clue what I will back yet but I think Holywell looks too big at 50/1. Won the Pertemps last year so at least we know he stays the trip comfortably. He went on to Aintree and only found Solwhit too good (had Celestial Halo well behind who was 2nd in the World Hurdle). I don't think he will win but he could be worth a small place bet. He was put over fences this season so far but he is a small horse, I think he is a far better horse over hurdles and if he does go in the World it wouldn't surprise me to see him run very well.

[Binchy]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle Agreed with the above, think Reve De Sivola and Fingal Bay also overpriced for a place. Edging towards At Fishers Cross at the moment, think Big Bucks and Annie Power might go head to head at set it up for those in behind.

[Blazing Bailey]

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Not a clue what I will back yet but I think Holywell looks too big at 50/1. Won the Pertemps last year so at least we know he stays the trip comfortably. He went on to Aintree and only found Solwhit too good (had Celestial Halo well behind who was 2nd in the World Hurdle). I don't think he will win but he could be worth a small place bet. He was put over fences this season so far but he is a small horse, I think he is a far better horse over hurdles and if he does go in the World it wouldn't surprise me to see him run very well.

Must admit I hadnt even considered that runner, will have to have a look although I generally dont trust Aintree form.

[Blazing Bailey]

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Agreed with the above' date=' think Reve De Sivola and Fingal Bay also overpriced for a place. Edging towards At Fishers Cross at the moment, think Big Bucks and Annie Power might go head to head at set it up for those in behind.[/quote'] Reve De Sivola's chances all depend on the ride IMO. When he goes out in front and makes it a test he runs really well. Too often though they try and ride him off the pace and because he doesnt have a change of gear he has no chance. He might be one that I will play in running if I see that he jumps out in front or very close to the pace. Fingal Bay is also an interesting runner. He looked smart as a novice and he seemed to run well on his comeback earlier this year. I get the feeling they may head down the handicap route though.

[tgc100969]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle This race has cut up into an Annie Power benefit. She is rated on 165 with a 7lb mares allowance therefore if she runs to that the others will have to run to 172 which only Big Bucks is capable of if at his best which is unlikely as age has got the better of him. She is available at 15/8 but will finish shorter on the day especially if a few Mullins horses go in early

[Binchy]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle Didn't notice Holywell was running today rather than in this, drat, double drat!

[Aidymac]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle Ladbrokes World Hurdle(Grade 1) (1) 3m So in summary I think Big Bucks ran a good race on his comeback but I still think he has a lot to prove for me, we still don't know if he is anywhere near the horse of old. Annie Power looks a hugely exciting propsect but she is now too short in the market to touch and her stamina will be severely tested. At Fishers Cross has to be respected here after finishing ahead of Big Bucks last time out with McCoy on board. You also can't rule out Rule The World or More Of That so this looks very competitive. I have backed Reve De Sivola each-way though as he just looks far too big a price in my opinion and he has every chance of getting a place at very big odds. Reve De Sivola - 1 Point each-way @ 33/1 Bet365 Read Full Preview @ http://www.horse-racing.org/world-hurdle-preview-reve-de-sivola-could-be-the-each-way-bet-of-the-race

[ExpectTheUnexpected]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle Waiting in quite desperate need of Annie Power to win and turn my festival into a quite pleasant one, but taking out some insurance. There's a fair bet on Big Buck's e/w the now at around 3/1. Sure, if he places you're out of pocket a little, but i'd consider this one of those situations that e/w at less than the fraction is a good shout. Unless he tries to lead from the front again, which I doubt, he should at least be first 3. Even if repeating his Cleeve form, i'd expect top 3.

[Toast]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle What a bloody horrible race to try and work out, so my bets will be Place Lay Annie Power Place Lay Big Bucks. How Annie Power is so short is beyond me. Never tried the trip, never run in front of a crowd as big as this, neverrun on ground this fast, best form is in small fields, best form is on soft ground, sire was a soft ground specialist, Paddy Power going 7/1 new accounts when 4s would have been more than generous and it looks like Mullins was forced to run her in this, no way was anything going to take the glory from Hurricane Fly in the ch, quevega was after a record number of festival wins, leaving the wh as the only alternative. Big Bucks is finished, his last run proved that, beaten by a rag who'd never won at Cheltenham in 413 attempts and by a Fishers Cross who jumps like a dog. Now racing on fast ground which will be no good for his legs, and Nicholls horses just don't seem to be firing.id expect him to be pulled up and immediately retired

[ExpectTheUnexpected]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle The whole business of the stable form coming in is a good point, Mullins has been firing well with the relatively newer horses. Champagne Fever was only just touched off in the Arkle, Vautour and Faugheen both destroyed their respective fields. Nicholls, as you rightly say, has struggled badly. A.P has form over good to soft, albeit the ground's looking like definitely coming up at least good, and has raced early in her career in bigger fields. Ruby seems confident in her, so much so he rides her, but much like yourself i'm still edgy about it. Her manner of winning has suggested she's the staying type given how she often pulls away towards the line. I think the closer of her two Zarkandar matches showed this to best effect, where she showed a need for every yard to get moving and then moved away easily. I'd expect a strong pace, and the faster they go, the more they play to the cruising speed of Annie and Big Bucks. She was also bought as a future gold cup horse, which if not just trainer talk, would suggest she must stay. I'm strongly biased on this so it's hard for me to give an appraisal of the race without the blinkers on. More of That seems a real danger and Celestial Halo ran well last year, but for me it's a match between the two that head the betting.

[Blazing Bailey]

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What a bloody horrible race to try and work out, so my bets will be Place Lay Annie Power Place Lay Big Bucks. How Annie Power is so short is beyond me. Never tried the trip, never run in front of a crowd as big as this, neverrun on ground this fast, best form is in small fields, best form is on soft ground, sire was a soft ground specialist, Paddy Power going 7/1 new accounts when 4s would have been more than generous and it looks like Mullins was forced to run her in this, no way was anything going to take the glory from Hurricane Fly in the ch, quevega was after a record number of festival wins, leaving the wh as the only alternative. Big Bucks is finished, his last run proved that, beaten by a rag who'd never won at Cheltenham in 413 attempts and by a Fishers Cross who jumps like a dog. Now racing on fast ground which will be no good for his legs, and Nicholls horses just don't seem to be firing.id expect him to be pulled up and immediately retired

Not sure I agree with the BB comments. BB has run worse on his first start of the season, especially when you consider it was heavy ground. Take into account that At Fishers Cross jumped pretty well that day and that the others in the first 4 are heavy ground specialists. I think BB is best on good or good to soft ground (I wouldnt be surprised if they watered the track tonight) and whilst Nicholls hasnt landed any of the big races yet he his other runners (especially today) have been running to the form you would expect them to (Sam Winner, Sametegal, Edgardo Sol, Katgary, Solar Impulse, Keltus). I'm not saying BB will win, because I think there is enough doubt there to leave him alone and I would actually be more worried about the hard race last time out more than any other reason. Its not a race I will get involved in and I can agree with your reasoning regarding AP. You may even be right about BB in the long run but I dont think you can give such a prediction off one run.

[Toast]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle

The whole business of the stable form coming in is a good point, Mullins has been firing well with the relatively newer horses. Champagne Fever was only just touched off in the Arkle, Vautour and Faugheen both destroyed their respective fields. Nicholls, as you rightly say, has struggled badly. A.P has form over good to soft, albeit the ground's looking like definitely coming up at least good, and has raced early in her career in bigger fields. Ruby seems confident in her, so much so he rides her, but much like yourself i'm still edgy about it. Her manner of winning has suggested she's the staying type given how she often pulls away towards the line. I think the closer of her two Zarkandar matches showed this to best effect, where she showed a need for every yard to get moving and then moved away easily. I'd expect a strong pace, and the faster they go, the more they play to the cruising speed of Annie and Big Bucks. She was also bought as a future gold cup horse, which if not just trainer talk, would suggest she must stay. I'm strongly biased on this so it's hard for me to give an appraisal of the race without the blinkers on. More of That seems a real danger and Celestial Halo ran well last year, but for me it's a match between the two that head the betting.

I was looking at backing Celestial Halo a few weeks ago, until Nicholls decided to run him at Haydock when he wasn't fit on bad ground. Couldn't have him on my mind tbh

[richard-westwood]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle

I was looking at backing Celestial Halo a few weeks ago' date=' until Nicholls decided to run him at Haydock when he wasn't fit on bad ground. Couldn't have him on my mind tbh[/quote'] I wasn't going to have an interest in this ......looked one to watch really but rated the race like this annie power 88 celestial halo 88 rule the world 85 quevega 87 as you can see this actually isn't the walkover that everyone thinks ...............yes annie power is the most likely winner especially as she receives weight but the biggest chink in her form is whether she will will be able to get the 3 miles AND hold her speed because in this race you have to do both and with some of the other speedsters proven performers ............quevega isn't running I don't think .........but that for me leaves celestial halo an absolutely stonking e.w bet at 40/1!!!!!...............yes there are risks .......obviously his race was a bit duff but the ground was probably to blame there .......time before was a cracking run and a reproduction of that one would see celestial halo go close today ........proven performer at chelt .............I really think if anyone can topple annie power today its going to be an 100% ready celestial halo ........worth a shot .............. celestial halo 2pts e.w 40/1 betvic

[richard-westwood]

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I wasn't going to have an interest in this ......looked one to watch really but rated the race like this annie power 88 celestial halo 88 rule the world 85 quevega 87 as you can see this actually isn't the walkover that everyone thinks ...............yes annie power is the most likely winner especially as she receives weight but the biggest chink in her form is whether she will will be able to get the 3 miles AND hold her speed because in this race you have to do both and with some of the other speedsters proven performers ............quevega isn't running I don't think .........but that for me leaves celestial halo an absolutely stonking e.w bet at 40/1!!!!!...............yes there are risks .......obviously his race was a bit duff but the ground was probably to blame there .......time before was a cracking run and a reproduction of that one would see celestial halo go close today ........proven performer at chelt .............I really think if anyone can topple annie power today its going to be an 100% ready celestial halo ........worth a shot .............. celestial halo 2pts e.w 40/1 betvic

trainer has said hes a different horse now to few weeks ago ......needed to get the run into him and was stuck for races ....will be suited by fast pace .......likes to sit in just off pace or front run doesn't matter ............they may just decide to set a furious pace and hope annie power falters ........if she does then celestial halo could just run away from them ..........2n last year ....big winner for nicholls ?

[Steven6177]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle Can't see ap being beaten,I know zarkandar might have needed the run but the way ap went away from him I can't see him reversing the form,with the ground drying up,the distance shouldn't b a issue,and can see big bucks being nicholls first home

[trips]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle Annie Power may win today but i cant see how she can be 5/4 in such a strong race. seems everyone's being drawn into the hype and taking any price.

[Blazing Bailey]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle Connections of Big Bucks dont really sound confident! AP looks a bit revved up too. Reve De Sivola goes from the front and he runs at his best when he runs that way.

[Blazing Bailey]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle Wouldnt have backed that one! I thought he was a good horse but didnt think he was that good at this stage of his career!

[Blazing Bailey]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle

Big Bucks is finished, his last run proved that, beaten by a rag who'd never won at Cheltenham in 413 attempts and by a Fishers Cross who jumps like a dog. Now racing on fast ground which will be no good for his legs, and Nicholls horses just don't seem to be firing.id expect him to be pulled up and immediately retired

BB has now been retired! Im going to start calling you the oracle!

[ExpectTheUnexpected]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle Barring a Tap Night win in the next, my Cheltenham is over and out. Sorely disappointed, but that's part of racing I suppose.

[Toast]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle Lol, they are not machines. I keep banging on about it, but some of these horses running, ran big trial races in bottomless ground. The 2 pipe grade 1 winners have had a light campaign, Al Ferof ran like a pig after the Aon, BB in this race etc.

[mowgli77]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle Annie Power was a tricky one to work out. I saw her at Doncaster when she beat nothing of note but she was never off the bridle. My concern was not if she would stay today, it was knowing what she would find when asked to battle and when eyeballed by a rival. She isn't a bridle horse but she didn't seem to know how to go and win the race when asked to do so. They were talking about races for her on RUK and some thought she might end up another Quevega, running in the Mares Hurdle every festival. I think the winner was within 5lb of Annie Power before racing and it was all about potential but that one was 10-1 and Annie was less than 2-1. I didn't fancy Big Bucks at all because an 80% fit Big Bucks of old would have laughed at Knockara Beau, to lose to that last time out told me it was gone at the game and that also made me oppose At Fishers Cross, one that looked full of potential and has done nothing but disappoint this season. It's a shame we didn't get to see Solwhit in this race and Solwhit v Moreofthat could be a cracker.

[Aidymac]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle I think Annie Power stayed the 3 miles quite well, unfortunately she just bumped into what looks like a REALLY good horse (giving her 7 pounds too). I am of the opinion that this years World Hurdle is one of the poorest we have seen quality wise, it may turn out to be very strong down the line, but two unknown quantities finished well clear of the rest. I'd imagine Annie will be in the Champion Hurdle next year, ohhhh what a race that would be with The New One, Jezki, MTOY uffff.

[Cassius Marcellus]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle Time and again at Cheltenham, you need a horse that stays. Even 2 mile race entries need to have won over 17 or 18 furlongs because of the finish here. Just like Sandown, the hill sorts them out. AP had no form over this distance. She may have won over 2m4f in heavy ground, but that's not 3 miles here against a top class field. My original thought was that Big Bucks would return to form here, but with money pouring on a horse with no form over 3 miles, his price drifted, so something wasn't right. In the end I never had a bet, but if I had been at home I'd have probably layed Annie Power on Betfair in running, but I have no ideas how short she traded.

[Aidymac]

Re: Thursday 3:20 > World Hurdle To be fair to Annie, she stayed the 3 miles really well. She was just beat by a better horse.