Ryder Cup 2012

[kevshat]

The main week of the golfing year is here :nana. All bets/views/thoughts and anything else Ryder Cup in here please gents :ok.

[Aidymac]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 Cheers Kev! No value in the outright market, so we gotta look elsewhere, top european and top american markets i will be looking at, will do a sneaky double too..... USA deserved favs, but there won't be much in it i reckon as we have McIlroy, McDowell, Colsaerts and Poulter who are excellent matchplayers, always a help to have the world No. 1 too. I don't know if USA having home advantage is a massive advantage or not, as most of the Europe team play on the PGA circuit anyways......

[hebert10]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 Got a couple of early ones on this week: 1pt Brandt Snedeker top USA scorer @ 17 Stanjames Snedeker is far too long here and i expect him to play well this week after just winning the fedex cup and tour championship he's coming in to this full of confidence. He also won the farmers insurance open (after trailing by 7 shots going in to final day) earlier in the year, came T3 in the open and T19 in the masters but had to withdraw from the US open due to injury. The big names like Woods and Mickelson are being touted as the biggest threat but i think Snedeker is, on current form, just as big a threat if not bigger to europes chances here. 1pt Nicolas Colsaerts top europe scorer @ 21 Skybet Looked very good when winning the volvo world matchplay and i can see a very good week for Colsaerts. He played well in his last tournament at the BMW Italian open coming T5 with and -18 and in the KLM open before that he got T8 so he comes in to this in great form. He will have had a couple of week rest and will be alot fresher than alot of the other European players and at this price i think hes a great bet for top scorer here. Will probably be back with more soon! :p

[Aidymac]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 *Bubba Watson - Top Overall Scorer* I will wait to see what price i can get on Betfair, he is trading at 25.0 at the moment, but i think he has a good chance of snatching this award. He is having his best year ever, winning a major. The rough has been cut very very low this week, and that has to play into Bubba's hands, as he hits it so far off the tee, that even if he goes into the rough he will find it easier to get some action on the wedges, and will be closer to most greens than most of his opposition. A birdie-fest is expected this weekend, and Bubba will be extremely hard to beat on Par 5's. *Nicolas Colsaerts Top Overall Scorer* Again a guy that hits the ball a long way, he will be hitting into the green second most of the time, which normally can be a big advantage in matchplay. He already won a matchplay tournament where i backed him for the Volvo World Matchplay, he is a very gritty campaigner and is way way overpriced here at the moment at 46.0 on Betfair, i will see if i can get a bit bigger in the meantime. Best of luck guys, i see here a lot of the pundits seem to think Europe are a superb bet http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120924/sports/709249863/ But i don't like backing anything under 16/1 in golf. Best of luck

[RussP]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 Cannot wait, so excited. The TV is mine from noon on Friday:D I'll be back with bets later this week but the one thing I'd advise everyone to look out for in the outright player markets is the suitability to the 2 types of golf played over the first 2 days. Whilst I agree that Bubba could rip the course to pieces, I'm not convinced he'll play in either of the foursome rounds which would restrict his points opportunity to a maximum of 3. He's a shoo-in for the fourballs where his potential waywardness isn't an issue as the safety net of another ball in play will help. The same could be said of Colsaerts as I think Europe will turn to Rory/GMac, Rose/Poults, Donald/Westwood/Sergio/Moli to share the other 4 spots. Nico may take a spot if his Friday fourballs is positive but unfortunately, I think he'll miss out alongside Hanson, Lawrie & Kaymer. Having said that, it's all about who handles the pressure and 3.5 / 4pts could be enough to win this market. Good luck all, should be terrific :ok

[bowles10]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 i will be looking at the correct score again this year with a few bets in that direction getting excited about it now, albeit always seems a quieter build up when its over there Surprised to see Donald at 5/2 for top englishman over Westwood, Poulter and Rose. Only half a point in the betting between all 4, i make donald the value amongst these in current form.

[Aidymac]

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*Bubba Watson - Top Overall Scorer* I will wait to see what price i can get on Betfair, he is trading at 25.0 at the moment, but i think he has a good chance of snatching this award. He is having his best year ever, winning a major. The rough has been cut very very low this week, and that has to play into Bubba's hands, as he hits it so far off the tee, that even if he goes into the rough he will find it easier to get some action on the wedges, and will be closer to most greens than most of his opposition. A birdie-fest is expected this weekend, and Bubba will be extremely hard to beat on Par 5's. *Nicolas Colsaerts Top Overall Scorer* Again a guy that hits the ball a long way, he will be hitting into the green second most of the time, which normally can be a big advantage in matchplay. He already won a matchplay tournament where i backed him for the Volvo World Matchplay, he is a very gritty campaigner and is way way overpriced here at the moment at 46.0 on Betfair, i will see if i can get a bit bigger in the meantime. Best of luck guys, i see here a lot of the pundits seem to think Europe are a superb bet http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120924/sports/709249863/ But i don't like backing anything under 16/1 in golf. Best of luck

I have changed my mind about these after reading what Russ said.......... No bets on these for me now! Will be backing in the Top American Market and Top European.

[RussP]

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I have changed my mind about these after reading what Russ said.......... No bets on these for me now! Will be backing in the Top American Market and Top European.

Now I feel like sh1t:( Seriously Aidy, do not let me put you off. Reading further today, it looks like Bubba has formed a good partnership with Webb Simpson, winning 3 from 4 at last years Presidents Cup. That suggests he may play the Foursomes but I really ain't sure. My personal opinion is that Colsaerts won't play first up on Friday. Strong suggestion is that Rose/Poults, Rory/GMac, Donald/Westwood, Garcia/Lawrie will be the first 8 out in the Friday Foursomes. Good luck though & don't let my ramblings change your mind :ok

[Tedthewolf]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 Just having the one bet for the whole tournament and thats in the outright winners i'm on Europe to win it £50 @ 13/8 Bluesquare if its a draw or Europe lose by 2pts or less you get a fifty quid token to use within seven days. I know a few shrewd judges in here feel the Americans will run away with this that the fact the course will be set up for the yank players + home support etc being a big advantage and they could well be wright but i think it will be very close indeed, the European players have been playing well this year in America and seems to be a good bond between them and will play well as a team where the yanks play more individually IMO. Besides Europe have the best young talented golfer the world has ever seen in McIlroy where the yanks have an ageing has been in the shape of Woods :p Seriously though i think 13/8 on europe is a big price with the fact you get your money back if they don't get beat by more than 2pts and personally i can't see this being anything but close as there looks little to choose between them. Lets hope its a cracker. Good Luck All Blue Square terms below for anyone interested. Terms and Conditions

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[Aidymac]

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Now I feel like sh1t:( Seriously Aidy, do not let me put you off. Reading further today, it looks like Bubba has formed a good partnership with Webb Simpson, winning 3 from 4 at last years Presidents Cup. That suggests he may play the Foursomes but I really ain't sure. My personal opinion is that Colsaerts won't play first up on Friday. Strong suggestion is that Rose/Poults, Rory/GMac, Donald/Westwood, Garcia/Lawrie will be the first 8 out in the Friday Foursomes. Good luck though & don't let my ramblings change your mind :ok

No mate, you had some valid points to be honest. I am going to save my guns, and won't be having a bet on the ryder cup, am going to sit back and enjoy it, and support the boys in blue! And if one of those bets come in, not your fault, i have my own mind mate. :D

[hebert10]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 5pts Luke Donald top european scorer @ 7 Stanjames 1pt Luke Donald top combined points scorer @ 13 Stanjames Really liking the odds on Donald here, he had a great finish at the tour championship and looks really up for it this week. In his last 3 Ryder cups he's won 8 of his 11 matches, halved one and lost only 2 which is a pretty great record. His matchplay record speaks for itself in the WGC and Volvo events where he has won 21 out of his 29 matches. Another fact Donal stands out is he lives only a short way from this course and will have played it much more than the other european players. Everyone knows Lukes a brilliant foursomes player as he's won 6 out of 6 in the Ryder cup and hopefuly he is paired with Westwood again as last ryder cup them two really did give Tiger Woods and Steve Stricker a hiding. At the odds offered he should be well worth the money come Friday!

[tk2wndw]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 I am based in California and really don't understand why the U.S. is such a big favorite. In terms of the best players on both sides you have Tiger and Rory obviously, and based solely on these two I see even more of an advantage to Rory than most. In watching a preview of Medinah on the Golf Channel, Frank Nobilo went hole-by-hole and basically pointed out that almost all holes on the course favor a right-to-left shot. That is pretty much the only shot rory hits right now and Tiger is really having trouble working the ball right to left like he used to in the heyday of his career. He is depending solely on a cut shot. I will be backing Europe +150. While hitting the ball long is obviously a factor, it really comes down to who can make the most putts. And I have much more confidence in guys like Rory, Poulter, Donald, and Gmac to make a putt when it counts.

[tk2wndw]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 And one more thing, tedthewolf, while Rory has played incredibly and is the future of golf, when Tiger first came on the scene and won consistenly like he did, that was the most dominant young golfer the world has ever and will ever seen.

[RussP]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 Bloody hell Friday, hurry up please!!! I'm expecting to play in the markets on each of the 3 days but my player outrights are below: L.Westwood, top European points scorer, 1pt @ 8/1 Ladbrokes G.McDowell, top European points scorer, 1pt @ 8/1 Ladbrokes I firmly believe this is a 7 horse race and that we can rule 5 players out immediately due to, what I believe, will be a lack of opportunities. Moli, Colsaerts, Hanson, Lawrie & Kaymer are likely to be used sparingly and I just cannot put down my hard earned on them. Of the others, I originally liked the look of Justin Rose but I'm a little worried by his exertions at the TOUR Championship last week. I also feel that Poults has been built up so much over the last week that he may play a bit flat even though the Ryder Cup normally brings out the best in him. If he fails to deliver, that will dent Rose's hopes as the 2 friends are likely to be paired up. Again, I think the Donald/Garcia thing has been overhyped. Despite their flawless foursomes record, I think their lack of distance may cost them. This leaves Rory, GMac and Westwood. The 2 Irish players will be paired together, I'd expect, for all 4 doubles matches so that will come down to the singles. GMac has a superior singles record and I think the extra pressure on the World Number 1 could scupper his chances on Sunday. The partnership does look ideal though. Rory has the length and, when the pressure is on, GMac has the touch around the greens. Runner up in the World Matchplay too, GMac has solid credentials. Experienced and a major winner on US soil, I hope the likeable Irishman can produce en route to highest points scorer. Despite finishing last at the TOUR Championship, Westwood is not to be discounted. His mind was, without doubt, on this week and his form is better than people think with 2 Fedex Cup top 5's recently. Had a good run in WGC Matchplay this year and is still a top class competitor as well as being the most experienced European on show, surely a positive in this atmosphere. By all accounts, he was firing yesterday in practice in the fourballs with Donald, a partnership that should do well again. In the foursomes, I expect he'll be partnered by a solid tee to green player, either Lawrie or Molinari. I think the experience / inexperience combo in the single ball format could work well and I expect him to be right in the running for top Euro this week. D.Johnson, top USA points scorer, 2pts @ 9/1 Ladbrokes I'm a big fan of Dustin, arguably the most in form American during the Fedex Cup. Has recovered from his injury and comes here to a course ideally suited to his game. He's long off the tee, putts extremely well and will love the crowd this week. Didn't perform brilliantly at Celtic Manor 2 years ago but proved he's suited to matchplay with his demolition of a then in form Kaymer in the singles. Beat Furyk in the WGC Matchplay this year and destroyed Molinari 7&5 so it further backs up the fact he can beat anyone up when in the mood. I expect him to play all 5, partnered with either Kuchar or Zach Johnson, both whom are consistent players with a good short stick. Of the others, I just can't have Tiger or Phil and I'm not totally sure why! The 4 rookies don't appeal to me in this market as experience counts whilst Furyk & Zach aren't necessarily suited to both formats so may not get enough starts. Stricker is overrated, although a decent putter, whilst the Bubba/Webb Simpson partnership is overhyped on the back of a decent Presidents Cup. I honestly think they could be the USA's weak link, possibly guilty of trying too hard. If Dustin plays well, he wins this and if Kuch is his partner, he too may be in the running so there's potential to add him to the bets. L.Westwood, top overall points scorer, 1pt EW @ 16/1 Boylesports (1/4 odds 1-4) G.McDowell, top overall points scorer, 1pt EW @ 18/1 Boylesports (1/4 odds 1-4) D.Johnson, top overall points scorer, 1pt EW @ 16/1 Skybet (1/4 odds 1-4) See above for reasoning.... G.McDowell, top Irish player, 6pts @ 8/5 Boylesports See above for reasoning. In a 2 player race where it will come down to singles, GMac strikes me as huge value especially as it wouldn't surprise me if Rory ends up against one of the better US players with the way the singles are generally picked. K.Bradley, top debutant, 4pts @ 7/2 Skybet A 5 horse race and I'm discounting Colsaerts as I don't think he'll see enough action. I've already mentioned why I can't back Webb, with his Bubba partnership, and Dufner is too short a price despite having had a good season. To me, Dufner doesn't have the right set up - I'm not certain he's long enough nor good enough on the short stuff. That makes me think he might have his appearances restricted. Snedeker is clearly the big, big danger after his Fedex Cup win and his excellent putting ability. However, I think last week may have taken too much out of him and that, coupled with the fact that his mind may wander back home to his heavily pregnant wife, it's enough to put me off. That leaves Keegan Bradley who I like. Looks like he'll be paired with Phil Mickleson and that's a real advantage. Add to that his ability to handle pressure, winning a major and a WGC event in the last 2 years. He's long off the tee and ranks very high up in the par breaker stats so him & Phil could form a real dangerous combo. All in all, he looks a nice bet at the current odds.

[tk2wndw]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 Russ, really like that DJ pick at 9-1, unfortunately my book had 7-1 on that but I took it anyways. He gets overlooked because everyone thinks his only attribute is his length, but he has a real good short game and is a pretty solid putter. Probably his biggest weakness is 150 and in which is somewhat concerning considering he will probably have that distance on most par 4's, but this course looks to set up real well for him considering he likes to work the ball right to left.

[Aidymac]

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I am based in California and really don't understand why the U.S. is such a big favorite. In terms of the best players on both sides you have Tiger and Rory obviously' date=' and based solely on these two I see even more of an advantage to Rory than most. In watching a preview of Medinah on the Golf Channel, Frank Nobilo went hole-by-hole and basically pointed out that almost all holes on the course favor a right-to-left shot. That is pretty much the only shot rory hits right now and Tiger is really having trouble working the ball right to left like he used to in the heyday of his career. He is depending solely on a cut shot. I will be backing Europe +150. While hitting the ball long is obviously a factor, it really comes down to who can make the most putts. And I have much more confidence in guys like Rory, Poulter, Donald, and Gmac to make a putt when it counts.[/quote'] Nice write up sir. I think though that home advantage has to be of huge advantage, it is the same in all sports really, this is like a big premiership game like Arsenal v Chelsea this weekend, but Arsenal will be favs due to being at home, thousands of US fans roaring on their team will be hard for the european team to play against. I think that is one of the reasons the US are so short. Another reason is that Kaymer, Westwood, Donald and G-Mac are not half the players they were 2 years ago in my opinion, especially Kaymer, i think he also got hammered by 6 holes against Dustin Johnson in the last Ryder Cup. I will love if europe win, but i can't see it.

[Kiddo112]

Bloody hell Friday, hurry up please!!! I'm expecting to play in the markets on each of the 3 days but my player outrights are below: L.Westwood, top European points scorer, 1pt @ 8/1 Ladbrokes G.McDowell, top European points scorer, 1pt @ 8/1 Ladbrokes I firmly believe this is a 7 horse race and that we can rule 5 players out immediately due to, what I believe, will be a lack of opportunities. Moli, Colsaerts, Hanson, Lawrie & Kaymer are likely to be used sparingly and I just cannot put down my hard earned on them. Of the others, I originally liked the look of Justin Rose but I'm a little worried by his exertions at the TOUR Championship last week. I also feel that Poults has been built up so much over the last week that he may play a bit flat even though the Ryder Cup normally brings out the best in him. If he fails to deliver, that will dent Rose's hopes as the 2 friends are likely to be paired up. Again, I think the Donald/Garcia thing has been overhyped. Despite their flawless foursomes record, I think their lack of distance may cost them. This leaves Rory, GMac and Westwood. The 2 Irish players will be paired together, I'd expect, for all 4 doubles matches so that will come down to the singles. GMac has a superior singles record and I think the extra pressure on the World Number 1 could scupper his chances on Sunday. The partnership does look ideal though. Rory has the length and, when the pressure is on, GMac has the touch around the greens. Runner up in the World Matchplay too, GMac has solid credentials. Experienced and a major winner on US soil, I hope the likeable Irishman can produce en route to highest points scorer. Despite finishing last at the TOUR Championship, Westwood is not to be discounted. His mind was, without doubt, on this week and his form is better than people think with 2 Fedex Cup top 5's recently. Had a good run in WGC Matchplay this year and is still a top class competitor as well as being the most experienced European on show, surely a positive in this atmosphere. By all accounts, he was firing yesterday in practice in the fourballs with Donald, a partnership that should do well again. In the foursomes, I expect he'll be partnered by a solid tee to green player, either Lawrie or Molinari. I think the experience / inexperience combo in the single ball format could work well and I expect him to be right in the running for top Euro this week. D.Johnson, top USA points scorer, 2pts @ 9/1 Ladbrokes I'm a big fan of Dustin, arguably the most in form American during the Fedex Cup. Has recovered from his injury and comes here to a course ideally suited to his game. He's long off the tee, putts extremely well and will love the crowd this week. Didn't perform brilliantly at Celtic Manor 2 years ago but proved he's suited to matchplay with his demolition of a then in form Kaymer in the singles. Beat Furyk in the WGC Matchplay this year and destroyed Molinari 7&5 so it further backs up the fact he can beat anyone up when in the mood. I expect him to play all 5, partnered with either Kuchar or Zach Johnson, both whom are consistent players with a good short stick. Of the others, I just can't have Tiger or Phil and I'm not totally sure why! The 4 rookies don't appeal to me in this market as experience counts whilst Furyk & Zach aren't necessarily suited to both formats so may not get enough starts. Stricker is overrated, although a decent putter, whilst the Bubba/Webb Simpson partnership is overhyped on the back of a decent Presidents Cup. I honestly think they could be the USA's weak link, possibly guilty of trying too hard. If Dustin plays well, he wins this and if Kuch is his partner, he too may be in the running so there's potential to add him to the bets. L.Westwood, top overall points scorer, 1pt EW @ 16/1 Boylesports (1/4 odds 1-4) G.McDowell, top overall points scorer, 1pt EW @ 18/1 Boylesports (1/4 odds 1-4) D.Johnson, top overall points scorer, 1pt EW @ 16/1 Skybet (1/4 odds 1-4) See above for reasoning.... G.McDowell, top Irish player, 6pts @ 8/5 Boylesports See above for reasoning. In a 2 player race where it will come down to singles, GMac strikes me as huge value especially as it wouldn't surprise me if Rory ends up against one of the better US players with the way the singles are generally picked. K.Bradley, top debutant, 4pts @ 7/2 Skybet A 5 horse race and I'm discounting Colsaerts as I don't think he'll see enough action. I've already mentioned why I can't back Webb, with his Bubba partnership, and Dufner is too short a price despite having had a good season. To me, Dufner doesn't have the right set up - I'm not certain he's long enough nor good enough on the short stuff. That makes me think he might have his appearances restricted. Snedeker is clearly the big, big danger after his Fedex Cup win and his excellent putting ability. However, I think last week may have taken too much out of him and that, coupled with the fact that his mind may wander back home to his heavily pregnant wife, it's enough to put me off. That leaves Keegan Bradley who I like. Looks like he'll be paired with Phil Mickleson and that's a real advantage. Add to that his ability to handle pressure, winning a major and a WGC event in the last 2 years. He's long off the tee and ranks very high up in the par breaker stats so him & Phil could form a real dangerous combo. All in all, he looks a nice bet at the current odds.

I like the McDowell bet, especially as Ladbrokes will refund losing bets, as a free bet. if McIlroy top scores for Europe.

[kevshat]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 Ryder Cup preview: 6pts USA (-1.5pts) to win Ryder Cup 11/10 Skybet 1pt USA to win 17-11 20/1 Bet365 I have to go with my head and take the American’s to win this. The course is set up perfectly for them. The rough is almost non existent so the likes of Watson, Woods, Mickelson and Dustin Johnson, who all belt it miles, can do so safe in the knowledge that they shouldn’t find too much trouble. That’s a big thing this week. The other reason why I can’t look beyond the USA is their putting ability. If I wanted five people to putt for my life, in Tiger Woods, Matt Kuchar, Steve Stricker and Zach Johnson this USA side certainly have four of them. I really can’t put into words how important putting is in matchplay and on trickier greens than regular events it will be vital this week. When you look at Europe and see the likes of Westwood, Garcia and Kaymer on their side, renowned poor putters, you have to worry for the visitors. Throw those two vital ingredients into the mix and then add a passionate, raucous home Chicago crowd into the pot too and the USA really do look a good bet to me. Full preview here: http://www.punterslounge.com/ryder-cup-betting-usa-can-use-home-advantage-to-maximum-effect-and-reclaim-ryder-cup-in-chicago

[kevshat]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 Top American preview: 2pts ew B.Watson Top American Point Scorer 10/1 Ladbrokes (1/4 1-3) (Money back if Woods wins) People who follow me regularly will know I’m a huge fan of the big hitting left hander and captain Love has set this course up for Bubba to go and have some fun. Most of the shots off the tee are right to left shots which is Bubba’s ideal shape and with the rough being so short he can pin his ears back and let that pink driver of his go. I’m confident Bubba will play all five matches. He could be a maniac with birdies in fourballs with the right partner while there’s no European who can live with his length in foursomes and singles so his partner will be hitting shorter irons into half the holes than the Europeans in foursomes and he’ll be hitting shorter irons into every hole in the singles which should give him better control of the golf ball. Full preview here: http://www.punterslounge.com/ryder-cup-betting-big-hitting-bubba-looks-ideally-suited-to-medinah-and-can-lead-the-american-charge

[kevshat]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 Top European Preview: 2pts ew I.Poulter Top European Point Scorer 8/1 Ladbrokes (1/4 1-3) (Money back is McIlroy wins) Poulter probably takes over the tag as Mr Ryder Cup for Europe. It’s clear he loves the confrontational element of matchplay and clearly hasn’t hidden that having claimed he wants to kill America this week! Poulter will play all five matches barring anything disastrous. His Ryder Cup record pretty much guarantees that. I think he’s likely to beat pretty much any American in the singles so this is all about how he and Rose perform. Generally they perform well so I can see Poulter picking up at least four points this weekend if not more and at 8/1 there’s enough value in seeing if four points is enough to top the European list this week. Full preview here: http://www.punterslounge.com/ryder-cup-betting-ian-poulter-can-use-his-ryder-cup-passion-to-top-score-for-the-visitors

[hebert10]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 Couple more here: 4pts Europe to win day 1 Foursomes @ 3 Bluesquare In recent years Europe have excelled in the foursomes and are a great price to continue doing that. Luke Donald and Sergio Garcia both have unbeaten records with Donald dropping no points and Garcia just a half and Lee Westwood can also boast a fine record winning 7, halving 4 and losing only 2. I can see these 3 being our top players in the foursomes but we also have other strong players like Poulter who will be a massive threat to the US and Mcilroy and G-Mac who form a great team when together. 3pts Poulter top wildcard @ 5 Coral With the passion Poulter has for the ryder cup and his excellent matchplay skills he has to be a great shout for the top wildcard this week. The other wildcards are: Brandt Snedeker-expecting him to get 3 games at the most and has no previous ryder cup experience. Nicolas Colsaerts-also expected to get 3 games and in the same boat as Snedeker with no previous experience. Dustin Johnson-Could be a potential threat to Poulter but sometimes a bit hit and miss, but with Poulter at a longer price and with his record we have to take the european. Jim Furyk-not a great record at the ryder cup, in fourballs he's scored only one and a half points out of ten and this could let him down. Steve Stricker-Poulters biggest threat i feel and could be tight between the two, but with Poulters matchplay record being better and the european being a bigger price i'm going to take Poults this week.

[stereoman]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 If only for a laugh, Sportingbet have a "The first word or phrase shouted after the first tee shot" market! :loon There's always some fool who shouts "Get in the hole!" isn't there? Mash potato or oesophagus!? :unsure

[kevshat]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 Can't see anyone shouting 'Get in the hole' when Europe tee off first :lol. 2pts B.Snedeker Top Debutant 7/2 Betfred I’m going to stick with the form horse here and that is Brandt Snedeker. He came through nicely in the Tour Championship last week but I’m not too concerned by recent form it is the makeup of Snedeker’s game I like. He is a wonderful putter, arguably the best putter on the US team which is saying something, and he’s a straight hitter so he should be reliable in all formats of the game. Having just held his nerve under real pressure last week he shouldn’t have any trouble controlling his nerves this week and he’s my idea of the top debutant at Medinah. Full preview here: http://www.punterslounge.com/ryder-cup-betting-brandt-snedeker-can-build-on-the-high-of-last-week-to-be-the-top-debutant-this-week

[bowles10]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 RYDER CUP 2012 last 6 tourneys held in Europe have resulted in the following scores (Eur first) 14.5 - 13.5 18.5 - 9.5 15.5 - 12.5 14.5 - 13.5 13 - 15 14 - 14 in America, the last 5 were (Eur first) 11.5 - 16.5 18.5 - 9.5 13.5 - 14.5 14.5 - 13.5 13.5 - 14.5 just working the averages you end up with: Over here: 90 - 78 (15 - 13) Over there: 71.5 - 68.5 (14.25 - 13.75) So In the last 10 games, Europe have a definite advantage, however it is very close as you can see. Take out the 2 thrashings and 7 of the remaining 9 have been settled by only 0-2 points. 14.5 - 13.5 @ 10/1 Paddy Power 13.5 - 14.5 @ 10/1 Paddy Power The above 2 scores are 5pts for Europe to win by 1 and 3pts USA to win by 1

[bowles10]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 Luke Donald Top English Points scorer 8pts win 12/5 Paddy Power Only a 4 runner market and i can see why people fancy any of the 4 as any can win, so why Donald? Well its his local club and for me he is the one who has the all round game for this type of tournament and the right temperament. Westwood just cant putt to finish his all round game, Poulter is too pumped for me and can make errors at crucial times. Rose is in top form and is the danger to Donald. Ive gone outright on Donald also at 11/1 however for me thats just an interest rather than a serious bet as the market includes all 24 golfers and will depend on the full time result i feel. Will anyone get 5pts ? I doubt it but 4.5pts is possible to win this market. Good luck, cant wait

[flowers]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 looking forward to this. I feel that the track favors the States and i do believe that 'home field' will factor into this weekend...the folks from IL. are by nature very vocal and at times the US fans can be less than crude...I believe that will bother the visitors. Plus, the US is fielding a strong squad that should be able to of set the team mind set of the visitors. NO WAGER for me, just some thoughts. Luck!

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Re: Ryder Cup 2012 Couple of foursome previews: 1pt J.Furyk/B.Snedeker vs G.McDowell/R.McIlroy - Tie 6/1 William Hill This has all the makings of a tight match and the tie at 6/1 could be worth the tiniest punt. Rory McIlroy is hot right now as is Brandt Snedeker and they are partnered by two very reliable, solid golfers. Europe probably have the length advantage here but sometimes that’s no bad thing for America. These two pairs look evenly matched an in my eyes this could end all square. Full preview here: http://www.punterslounge.com/furyk--snedeker-vs-mcdowell--mcilroy-betting-opening-match-of-the-ryder-cup-could-end-in-a-tie 4pts T.Woods/S.Stricker to beat J.Rose/I.Poulter 11/10 Skybet I think the European duo have their work cut out here. Tiger Woods has a real point to prove this week and he has a solid partner. I like the Poulter and Rose combination but they are up against the strongest American pairing in front of a home crowd with the course set up for Woods to attack. Woods looks back to his best and with the ultra reliable Stricker partnering him they look good to me here. Full preview here: http://www.punterslounge.com/woods--stricker-vs-poulter--rose-betting-american-duo-look-too-strong-in-the-final-match

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Re: Ryder Cup 2012 A few for the foursomes: 5pts Donald/Garcia to beat Mickelson/Bradley @ 2 Bluesquare I see Donald and Garcia as big favourites here and couldn't believe I found this price. This is Bradleys first Ryder cup and i have a feeling the pressure may get to him, he hasn't been playing great golf lately and hopefuly this continues in to this tournament. Mickelson will be well up for this but i think he may have his hands full with Donald and Garcia who are both pretty consistent players and players Olazabal can trust to perform here. 3pts Dufner/Johnson to beat Westwood/Molinari @ 2.25 Skybet This could be a really close game but going to back the americans to come out on top. Dufners been playing some great golf this year and Johnsons been so consistent making 23 of 24 cuts on the PGA tour. Both have won twice on tour this year which is a really hard thing to do in the PGA tour with the amount of talent around. Westwood is also coming off the back of a tough week in the Tour championship where he really struggled and i think he might just struggle a bit here. 1pt Stricker/Woods and Poulter/Rose to tie @ 7 Paddypower (Money refunded if bet is winning after 12 holes) Expecting a real treat here. These could be 4 of the key players in deciding the outcome of the Ryder cup and all 4 will not want to let there teams down. Woods and Stricker are a great team and have great experience but they face a real test here. Poulter and Rose will know they come in to this outsiders, but both are really competitive guys and the will to win, this will make it a really close match up. Last Ryder cup Woods and Stricker didn't do too well in the foursomes but these are 2 of the greatest golfers ever and you can never bet against them showing just what there made of here, but if the europeans can keep it at least level till half way I think they could take this match the whole way.

[Mirage]

Re: Ryder Cup 2012 My outrights: 0.5/10pts Europe 15-13 USA - 12/1 with William Hill I have missed the 7/4 I was interested in about the outright win so will take a small punt on the correct score. I fancy Europe to win this well and think the experience of the likes of Westwood, Garcia, Donald etc. will be a massive advantage over an American side who don't inspire me with too much confidence for the first couple of days. I believe we have the better players and pairings for both the foursomes and the fourballs and if anyone gets a lead of a point or two by the end of today or Saturday it will be difficult to claw back. I think too much is being made of the home crowd and if Europe do get a lead, it won't be a very helthy atmosphere for Team USA to play in. America probably edge the singles on paper but, for me, Europe can do most of the hard work over the first couple of days to set up the win on Sunday. 1/10pts G. McDowell to be top European - 8/1 with BoyleSports 1/10pts S. Garcia to be top European - 15/2 with Stan James 0.5pts Each-Way G. McDowell to be top overall points scorer - 16/1 with BoyleSports (1/4 odds 1-4) 0.5pts Each-Way S. Garcia to be top overall points scorer - 16/1 with William Hill (1/4 odds 1-4) Graeme McDowell's experience of the last Ryder Cup will do him some good this week because he knows what it is like to feel the whole golfing world watching yet still make the tough shots. His partnership with Rory should mean he plays at least 3 ties over the first couple of days and with a partner like that on top of the relationship they have, it means he should score a few. He hasn't had a fantastic few weeks but this tournament doesn't necessarily go with tour form and he is a player who can turn it around instantly. He shows well in Majors and has done well in matchplay tournaments so can go well in the singles once again. That proven matchplay ability coupled with being part of a solid pairing means he is a good bet at these odds. Sergio is a different animal at this tournament and has proven himself over the years to be a key figure in many European teams. He is the ideal player to have partnering anyone because of his accuracy from the tee and fairways and ability to inspire whoever he comes across with his passion for the tournament. He is in a good place mentally, as proven by his recent tour form, but he always is for this event and I think these odds are a bit too big for a guy with Sergio's record in the Ryder Cup. Both of these will hopefuly get us off to good starts today with very winnable foursomes.

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Re: Ryder Cup 2012

Ryder Cup preview: 6pts USA (-1.5pts) to win Ryder Cup 11/10 Skybet 1pt USA to win 17-11 20/1 Bet365 I have to go with my head and take the American’s to win this. The course is set up perfectly for them. The rough is almost non existent so the likes of Watson, Woods, Mickelson and Dustin Johnson, who all belt it miles, can do so safe in the knowledge that they shouldn’t find too much trouble. That’s a big thing this week. The other reason why I can’t look beyond the USA is their putting ability. If I wanted five people to putt for my life, in Tiger Woods, Matt Kuchar, Steve Stricker and Zach Johnson this USA side certainly have four of them. I really can’t put into words how important putting is in matchplay and on trickier greens than regular events it will be vital this week. When you look at Europe and see the likes of Westwood, Garcia and Kaymer on their side, renowned poor putters, you have to worry for the visitors. Throw those two vital ingredients into the mix and then add a passionate, raucous home Chicago crowd into the pot too and the USA really do look a good bet to me. Full preview here: http://www.punterslounge.com/ryder-cup-betting-usa-can-use-home-advantage-to-maximum-effect-and-reclaim-ryder-cup-in-chicago

Top American preview: 2pts ew B.Watson Top American Point Scorer 10/1 Ladbrokes (1/4 1-3) (Money back if Woods wins) People who follow me regularly will know I’m a huge fan of the big hitting left hander and captain Love has set this course up for Bubba to go and have some fun. Most of the shots off the tee are right to left shots which is Bubba’s ideal shape and with the rough being so short he can pin his ears back and let that pink driver of his go. I’m confident Bubba will play all five matches. He could be a maniac with birdies in fourballs with the right partner while there’s no European who can live with his length in foursomes and singles so his partner will be hitting shorter irons into half the holes than the Europeans in foursomes and he’ll be hitting shorter irons into every hole in the singles which should give him better control of the golf ball. Full preview here: http://www.punterslounge.com/ryder-cup-betting-big-hitting-bubba-looks-ideally-suited-to-medinah-and-can-lead-the-american-charge

Top European Preview: 2pts ew I.Poulter Top European Point Scorer 8/1 Ladbrokes (1/4 1-3) (Money back is McIlroy wins) Poulter probably takes over the tag as Mr Ryder Cup for Europe. It’s clear he loves the confrontational element of matchplay and clearly hasn’t hidden that having claimed he wants to kill America this week! Poulter will play all five matches barring anything disastrous. His Ryder Cup record pretty much guarantees that. I think he’s likely to beat pretty much any American in the singles so this is all about how he and Rose perform. Generally they perform well so I can see Poulter picking up at least four points this weekend if not more and at 8/1 there’s enough value in seeing if four points is enough to top the European list this week. Full preview here: http://www.punterslounge.com/ryder-cup-betting-ian-poulter-can-use-his-ryder-cup-passion-to-top-score-for-the-visitors

Can't see anyone shouting 'Get in the hole' when Europe tee off first :lol. 2pts B.Snedeker Top Debutant 7/2 Betfred I’m going to stick with the form horse here and that is Brandt Snedeker. He came through nicely in the Tour Championship last week but I’m not too concerned by recent form it is the makeup of Snedeker’s game I like. He is a wonderful putter, arguably the best putter on the US team which is saying something, and he’s a straight hitter so he should be reliable in all formats of the game. Having just held his nerve under real pressure last week he shouldn’t have any trouble controlling his nerves this week and he’s my idea of the top debutant at Medinah. Full preview here: http://www.punterslounge.com/ryder-cup-betting-brandt-snedeker-can-build-on-the-high-of-last-week-to-be-the-top-debutant-this-week

As well as the quoted outrights I'm taking these three. 5pts J.Furyk Over 2 points 6/4 Coral This line looks a little low to me especially as he is going out in the first set of matches. I think his experience as well as his straight as a die style will ensure he plays most of the matches and I think he'll do well in those matches. He won all his matches at the Presidents Cup last year and should go well on this golf course despite its length. We saw in the US Open earlier this year that he can be competitive on long courses but with this course set up as a putting contest I fully expect Furyk's nous with the short stick to shine through and I would be surprised if he hasn't bagged at least 2.5pts when this week is over. 4pts S.Stricker to beat L.Westwood 5/6 Paddy Power This is a tournament match bet I like the look of. In a straight out putting contest there's only one man I want to be on here but then when you factor in that Stricker will be playing with Woods for probably the entire tournament whereas Westwood might be given a round off, especially if he struggles with the putter, then it looks an even better bet. There aren't many better punters than Steve Stricker in the game of golf today and he'll pick up a couple of free points in his partnership with Woods who is right with him in the putting stakes. You'd have to feel if Molinari doesn't putt well in the opening match then Westwood could struggle there and with a slow start bringing its own pressures I think the bet here is for Stricker to outscore the Englishman. 1pt Biggest Winning Margin - 4&3 14/1 Skybet This looks worth chancing. One thing we know about these two sides are that they are pretty evenly matched in terms of personnel and there's only one or two players who aren't playing well coming into the competition so I don't think a huge winning margin is a certainty this week especially with the course all about putting. While I expect the American's to win a putting contest all day long I don't expect any American to win a putting contest by 5 holes or indeed any European to do that either. I think the fourball and foursome matches will be really tight and see a lot of them going up 17 and 18 but in the singles it's only natural there will be a one sided match somewhere. That can give us the 4&3 result we need so at 14/1 I'll pay to make sure no match is won earlier than the 15th hole.