Boxing/MMA 2012 Thread

[Evertonboy]

Re: Boxing/MMA 2012 Thread

Dont mean to pick dude but you state Bute aint been down but in reality he should have lost his title to andrade and can definately be hurt though i dare say this was as much exhaustion. Its kind of similar to Frch/Taylor but check the vid to see what i mean but bs home refereeing and he was out for 10, no doubt!

fair do's bute came back and did a job on him in the rematch but all im saying is he lost the fight in my eyes.

I seen this on the Beyond the Ropes yesterday, I agree that it looked as tho exhaustion was the main cause - could make things interesting in the latter rounds especially if Froch knows he needs a KO

[mowgli77]

Re: Boxing/MMA 2012 Thread Froch surprised me when he completely outboxed Arthur Abraham and he admitted it was the first time he had properly listened to his trainer and boxed to a plan. At times it is like he sees red and reverts to Caveman Cobra and just comes out swinging like some pub brawler and when you're up against someone with good movement they can make you look exposed and ridiculous. Froch still has that annoying habit too of carrying one arm really low and that could prove problematic when up against a southpaw here. I have a feeling Bute takes this on points as I'm not sure he'll stop Froch and although everyone mentions Froch's chin it is body shots from Bute that worry me more than Carl taking a few flush to the head. He broke down Magee with some nasty looking body shots and although Magee seemed to be claiming Bute had hit him with low blows replays showed they were not that low at all. Seeing that youtube clip we are aware that Bute tires so if Froch is on him for 12 rounds and gives him no time for a breather he could be wearing him down and troubling him in the later rounds. I get the feeling Carl will feel the pressure in front of his own fans and be desperate to put on a good show/performance but I wish he would listen to his corner more often. Robert McCracken usually tells him straight and does notice what's going wrong, what needs to change but so often is ignored. If we saw the Froch that beat Abraham it could be party time in Nottingham but if the Froch turns up that was dire against Dirrell and outclassed against Ward then I fear Bute will win this convinclingly on points. Bute on points would be my call and if Froch is to win then I'd say it could be in the last 3 rounds.

[superfoo]

Re: Boxing/MMA 2012 Thread Junior dos Santos (14-1, 8-0 UFC) vs. Frank Mir (16-5, 14-5 UFC) On paper this looks a nightmare for Mir and the odds reflect it. Mir has been hurt on numerous occasions and has never got past the UFCs big hitters and usually ends up on his back when he comes against them – and JDS can bang. Mir though should not be dismissed so easily. He has an extremely high level of Jui Jitsu and his stand up has improved a lot but is still nowhere near the level of that of his opponent. The obvious selection is a KO for Dos Santos. But at 1/5 outright and 1/3 for the stoppage I cant really back that for value, especially in a ufc heavyweight title fight. Mir is generally 4/1outright but better value may lie in the 6/1 for Mir to win via submission. Although I see JDS knocking Mir out, as an interest I will have a minimum punt on this. The theory being that there is a chance that Mir can get JDS down to where he can work his subs. But more danger could come if Mir is knocked down and JDS goes for the finish and maybe gets a little careless as both Lesnar and Big Nog did against Mir. Recommended bet Mir by sub 6/1 generally. Cain Velasquez (9-1, 7-1 UFC) vs. Antonio Silva (16-3, 0-0 UFC) This is a big ask on his UFC debut for Silva who gained prominence with his victory over Fedor. Although huge, Silva seems to have a somewhat dodgy beard, as displayed by Cormier decking him 5 times in his last fight and even Kyle decking him and to some extent Werdum. If Cain was fit and primed this would be a lot more straight forward but an absence of 18 months does bring second thoughts. Silva can also hit and Cain had been hurt bad by Kongo before being smashed by Dos Santos. This combined makes it a no brainer for me to avoid the 1/4 on Cain outright. The way Cormier beat Silva so easily was to use agility and speed to get inside and throw hard, accurate shots. I see Cain being able to duplicate the strategy and unlike Cormier will probably be willing to ground and pound Silva if he puts him down. Considering I see this as the most likely outcome I thing 4/6 is quite generous. Recommended bet Velasquez via TKO, KO, DQ at 4/6 Paddy Power Stefan Struve (23-5, 7-3 UFC) vs. Lavar Johnson (17-5, 2-0 UFC) This one could be over pretty quick as Johnson is a beast and possibly hits harder than anyone in the UFC. He is on a roll since his arrival in UFC being the first to stop Beltran and then smashing through Pat Barry both within a round, if this guy has you hurt he pounces. However his well known Achilles heel is on the ground and his sub defence – all four of his losses having come this way. Struve is still learning and improving at 24 and seems still to be filling out his lanky frame. Struve is not the best at shooting so in order to get the fight to the mat it is more likely he will try to clinch and then trip. If he can do this he should be able to finish whilst using his freakishly long limbs to control his opponent and work the sub. The big worry though, will he be able to avoid Johnsons bombs – especially early on in order to do this. For me its a pick em fight on the basis that if it stays standing Johnson wins, if it goes to the ground Struve wins. Two bets here catch my eye. A first round ko for Johnson (11/5 skybet) or a submission win for Struve (8/5 Ladbrokes). Im going with the latter though a saver on the former may prove prudend as it could well be highlight reel. Recommended bet Struve by submission at 8/5 Ladbrokes Dave Herman (21-3, 1-1 UFC) vs. Roy Nelson (16-7, 3-3 UFC) Herman made a splash in the UFC with his unorthodox attacks but I simply see Nelson as better in every department stand-up, ground stamina etc. Despite losses in 3 of his last 4 fights they were all against elite opposition and during those fights he displayed one of the best chins in all sports. I see this being a fight that Big Country should dominate and is my bet of the event. Cant predict the method as I can see Roy winning in a variety of ways but after his recent run of losses it is important that Nelson prove himself and comes out with the ‘W’. It is also worth noting how badly gassed Herman was in the second round against Struve which contributed to his downfall and a bollocking from Dana White. If you were to base it on opponents (which is never a good idea in UFC, or boxing for that matter as styles make fights) but you could follow the logic of Nelson bt Struve – Struve bt Herman, so, Nelson beats Herman. Simple right? Maybe not! Recommended Bet Nelson bt Herman 10/21 Ladbrokes Stipe Miocic (8-0, 2-0 UFC) vs. Shane del Rosario (11-0, 0-0 UFC) Two undefeated guys square off here in what could kick off the main card in good style. In his best win Rosario handled Levar Johnsons power on route to submitting him. He has decent hands and is decent on the ground as well as never going to the judges. He is a smart fighter and though his hands are good he knew he needed Johnson on the mat and therefore seems pretty sensible. Miocic didn’t particularly impress me against a limited Beltran but scored a big KO over the Brit DeFreis in his last fight. Miocic is a boxer/wrestler. I would give him the edge in power with the hands but Rosario is probably better on the ground. I slightly favour del Rosario due to ground game if he can get it there and at odds against I think he is worth a punt. Recommended Bet Del Rosario bt Miocic 11/8 Bet365

[mowgli77]

Re: Boxing/MMA 2012 Thread

Froch surprised me when he completely outboxed Arthur Abraham and he admitted it was the first time he had properly listened to his trainer and boxed to a plan. At times it is like he sees red and reverts to Caveman Cobra and just comes out swinging like some pub brawler and when you're up against someone with good movement they can make you look exposed and ridiculous. Froch still has that annoying habit too of carrying one arm really low and that could prove problematic when up against a southpaw here. I have a feeling Bute takes this on points as I'm not sure he'll stop Froch and although everyone mentions Froch's chin it is body shots from Bute that worry me more than Carl taking a few flush to the head. He broke down Magee with some nasty looking body shots and although Magee seemed to be claiming Bute had hit him with low blows replays showed they were not that low at all. Seeing that youtube clip we are aware that Bute tires so if Froch is on him for 12 rounds and gives him no time for a breather he could be wearing him down and troubling him in the later rounds. I get the feeling Carl will feel the pressure in front of his own fans and be desperate to put on a good show/performance but I wish he would listen to his corner more often. Robert McCracken usually tells him straight and does notice what's going wrong, what needs to change but so often is ignored. If we saw the Froch that beat Abraham it could be party time in Nottingham but if the Froch turns up that was dire against Dirrell and outclassed against Ward then I fear Bute will win this convinclingly on points. Bute on points would be my call and if Froch is to win then I'd say it could be in the last 3 rounds.

If anyone saw the Froch interview after the fight he was basically saying all I'd said above about not listening to his trainer when he really should be. He gave a lot of credit to McCracken and dedicated the win to him. Tactics were spot on and the performance was amazing, not sure if Bute froze, was poor or overrated or whether Carl was just so good he nullified him and made him look bad. I ended up backing Froch rd 9, rd10, rd11 and rd 12 at odds of 40.0 (x3) and 46.0 for round 12 as I thought a late stoppage was how Froch might take it, didn't expect it to only go 5 rounds and Bute was getting smashed around as early as Rd 3. Superfoo - read your write ups but don't watch UFC, how did your bets get on? I've tried to get into it a few times but some of the ground grappling bores me to tears. I know it's technical and leads to submissions etc but it's not a sport I have much interest in.

[Sir Puntalot]

Re: Boxing/MMA 2012 Thread I'm thinking we should have a boxing/mma forum of it's own - thoughts guys?

[superfoo]

Re: Boxing/MMA 2012 Thread

If anyone saw the Froch interview after the fight he was basically saying all I'd said above about not listening to his trainer when he really should be. He gave a lot of credit to McCracken and dedicated the win to him. Tactics were spot on and the performance was amazing, not sure if Bute froze, was poor or overrated or whether Carl was just so good he nullified him and made him look bad. I ended up backing Froch rd 9, rd10, rd11 and rd 12 at odds of 40.0 (x3) and 46.0 for round 12 as I thought a late stoppage was how Froch might take it, didn't expect it to only go 5 rounds and Bute was getting smashed around as early as Rd 3. Superfoo - read your write ups but don't watch UFC, how did your bets get on? I've tried to get into it a few times but some of the ground grappling bores me to tears. I know it's technical and leads to submissions etc but it's not a sport I have much interest in.

Mowgli....Il get onto the results in a minute. Sure the grappling is boring and it can get technical at times but its not all like that. This was the first all heavyweight card they have done and it was excellent though quite gruesome at a point. Put it this way, no wrestling or boringness on this card and no fight goes past the second. I enjoyed it and would highly recommend it:) Recommended Bet Del Rosario bt Miocic 11/8 Bet365....LOST Del Rosario convincingly took the first but was then dominated and stopped in the second. Recommended Bet Nelson bt Herman 10/21 Ladbrokes...WON Nelson barely broke a sweat knocking out Herman in the first. Recommended bet Struve by submission at 8/5 Ladbrokes...WON Struve pulled guard asap and and tapped Johnson looking like he broke his arm in the process Recommended bet Velasquez via TKO, KO, DQ at 4/6 Paddy Power...WON Velasquez took Silva down within 5 seconds and grounda and pounded him to a pulp in what was the bloodiest fight I have ever seen. Recommended bet Mir by sub 6/1 generally...LOST As expected Dos Santos just hit far too hard for the brave Mir who did well to make it to the second round. Shot for a hail mary takedown at the start and fought bravely while clearly outgunned thereafter

[superfoo]

Re: Boxing/MMA 2012 Thread own sub forum would be cool paul

[mowgli77]

Re: Boxing/MMA 2012 Thread

I'm thinking we should have a boxing/mma forum of it's own - thoughts guys?

The boxing/ufc thread kind of died a death around Feb/March time but has sprung back to life. There are a handful of punters on here that like a bet on boxing/ufc but UFC is getting bigger all the time. Could try a separate forum to see if it works, I'm more than willing to post on the boxing stuff and there are some good fights coming up - Kell Brook again in July, Haye V Chisora, Amir Khan and then Pacquaio and plenty of others.

[Sir Puntalot]

Re: Boxing/MMA 2012 Thread Leave it with me folks, and I'lll sort it later. Just fixing up the latest upgrades. :ok