Darts: BDO World Championship 2012

[slizorn]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 I would try this link: http://www.firstrow.tv/sport/darts.html If it is being broad casted, it should be there. :ok

[PerryPFC]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 It's live on ESPN between 8-10pm :ok I've got sky sports but not ESPN, yet I seem to be able to get it on my phone through sky go?

[fishy25]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 -1.40 from the opening session but hopefully I can turn that around tonight. I'm taking 4 in total. Robbie Green vs Darryl Fitton- Over 17.5 legs- 10/11 Blue Square- (3/10) Over 7.5 180s- Evens Blue Square- (2/10) This is one of the few matches that I'll take the overs in but I feel it's justified. The two of them are a couple of the better players in the BDO and are two of the heaviest scorers about. That should mean that both will hold their throw quite comfortably and I don't expect to see many breaks of throw in the match, leading to a couple of 3-2 sets perhaps. If that happens, 4 sets could be enough to see this line through and I certainly don't fancy either guy to whitewash the other. Although both players are powerful with their scoring, their finishing isn't always the greatest and that just suggests to me that this will be a tightly fought match with both players struggling to get much of a look in on the other's throw so I expect to see 18 legs minimum in this one. In that time it should give the players plenty of time to hit the 8 maximums required. Although the line looks a high one, if we see 4/5 sets in the match like I expect us to, either guy could run this line close on their own, and both of them together could combine and reach double figures. Kong has hit 13 maximums in his last 3 matches at Lakeside which shows he is no mug around the lipstick, and in Fitton's most recent match against Scott Waites in the final of the Zuderduin Masters, there was an astonishing 31 180s hit in just 9 sets, showing his scoring capability. I expect this to be a really tight one and in that time 8 180s to be scored isn't out of the question. Gary Robson (-1.5 sets) to beat Steve Douglas- 11/10 Bet365- (3/10) Under 5.5 180s- 8/11 Blue Square- (3/10) This is the repeat of the match from last year where Robson won 3-0 and although there wasn't too much between the guys in terms of averages, Robson just had that extra bit of experience when he needed it to see him through comfortably. He's far more the steadier of the two guys here and had a consistent year in 2011 and even ran Phil Taylor close in a match. Douglas really struggles against the better players in the BDO and struggled to make any sort of impact on them last season as he hasn't really got the ability in his game to stick with them. I expect Robbo to win comfortably like he did last year and in that time I don't think we'll see 6 180s scored. In this match last year there were only 3 and as Russ mentioned, it usually takes a game or two for Robson to really start firing. Douglas won't hit loads either so I'm happy to take the unders in this match.

[Tedthewolf]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-2/14/108/v-350801.html

[fishy25]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Think it was a disappointing day all round in the thread with a whole host of missed doubles throughout the two sessions. Quite clear that's the main difference between the two companies as you wouldn't ever expect a guy in the PDC to miss more than 3 darts at a double, whereas with some of the guys on show this week, you'd fancy them to miss a load more than they hit. It can add to the drama, but at times it is laughable. Anyways my little pause for though over :lol Glad that Montgomery pulled through so still have a couple of outrights going with him still and I don't think he's without a chance against O'Shea from what I saw of the two players. From the matches though, I'm left on -3.21 from the opening day with the Fitton-Green match falling a leg short frustratingly. Hope it's a better day all round tomorrow and I quite like the afternoon session. John Walton (-1.5 sets) to beat Martin Adkins- 6/4 Sportingbet- (3/10) Over 5.5 180s- 5/6 Bet365- (3/10) The handicaps on the favourites didn't really go my way on the opening day but I fancy John Boy to bring home the bacon in this one. He performed well in 2010 but one area of his game I'm sure he would have been disappointed with was his form in the majors. He won the England Masters, and made the semis in Antwerp, Holland, Turkey and in the BDO Gold Cup as well so that's a decent record for the former Masters and World Champion. He did only win 2 matches in the majors though, and one of those was in the first round at Lakeside last year against Dave Prins. I have no doubts Walton will want to really have a run this year in the World Championship and show that he can still play on the big stage. Martin Adkins has struggled with his darts for a little while now, and that is underlined by him not even winning his qualifiers for the World Championship. He is only in the draw because Scott Waites won one of the Masters events and as he was already assured of a place in the draw, it gave Atkins a chance. I'm not convinced though given the way he has been playing, he will make the most of this chance. He failed to make it past the last 16 of any tournament last year and against a wily campaigner like Walton, you'll need to be playing well to beat him and I don't see him being in any position to really trouble John Boy so Walton on the handicap for me. Both of these guys do score well though hence why I'm also taking the overs. Atkins incredibly hit 9 180s last year in the first round when he lost to Dean Winstanley and the year before that when he went out in the first round, he hit 4 maximums in 4 sets. Walton last year hit 12 in total in just two matches, which included 6 in his first round match which clearly shows both guys are no stranger to the lipstick. I do see Walton winning this no worse than 3-1, but Atkins might pinch a set. Either way, both can score well and I fancy us to see 6 maximums as well in this one. Andy Boulton to beat Scott Waites- 9/2 Sportingbet- (1/10) Andy Boulton (+1.5 sets) to beat Scott Waites- 7/4 Ladbrokes- (3/10) Over 5.5 180s- 10/11 Blue Square- (3/10) A lot of people reading this will call me crazy and wish that I never return to the forum with bets like this but I'm happy to pay for my curiosity and gut instinct here so I'll try and explain the reasoning behind it. Scotty 2 Hotty is a lot of people's favourites for the tournament this year and looking at his record in 2011, it's easy to see why. Numerous trophies to his name, including the World Masters where he comfortably beat Dean Winstanley and very much the man in form coming into the tournament but his history in the tournament is a massive concern for me. We have seen in the past that even the best players struggle on this stage, no matter how good they are. Once you struggle for a few years at Lakeside, I'm not sure what it is but it seems extremely hard to break that curse. Gary Anderson is a prime example and although he is now one of the best guys in the PDC, in this tournament he never really found any form. Scott Waites could well fellow in his footsteps, both in terms of making the switch to the PDC in the coming months but also failing to really do it at Lakeside. There's no doubting his darting abilities but whether he will ever win this tournament, I have my doubts and he is up against a potential banana skin here. Andy Boulton or the 'X Factor' is really no mug, he really isn't. Back in June, he made the last 16 of the UK Open, a tournament won by James Wade, showing that it is no mickey mouse trophy. He was beaten 9-4 by Mark Webster in the last 16, but before that he enjoyed a win over Vincent van der Voort, which shows he can play. He's been around for a long time Boulton, and has enjoyed wins over Tony O'Shea, Dean Winstanley and Robert Thornton in the past so I don't see the stage or occasion being too much of a problem for him, as he has more experience than most think. I've no doubts Scott Waites will be competing for honours in the PDC at some point in the not so distant future, but right now he could have a real fight on his hands so I'm happy to put some cash on the table and back Boulton to have a right go at Waites in this one. Again I'm backing the overs on the maximums front as it looks on the low side. Waites recently was involved in a 9 set match with Darryl Fitton which had 31 180s in which shows he is scoring well at the minute. As I've spoken about, I don't expect Boulton to roll over and last year when he was beaten by Robbie Green, he hit 2 180s himself so he can chip away at this line with Waites so backing the overs as well here. Garry Thompson (Most 180s) vs Paul Jennings- 6/4 Bet365- (3/10) Know a lot of people fancy Jennings to go well in the tournament but this is a tough first round match for him and Thompson will undoubtedly be looking repeat his run from last year where he should have made the semis but for a ton of missed doubles. Both have actually done well of late and come into this one in good form so it could be potentially be a cracker. I'm not interested in picking a winner though, however I do fancy the Cougar to outscore his opponent on maximums. As we saw last year in that epic quarter final match with Jan Dekkar, Thompson is prone to missing doubles, but he can score with the best of them and will regularly pepper the lipstick. He hit 11 180s last year in his 3 matches, despite not hitting a single on in his first round match. That may suggest he takes a little while to find his range but the stats would disagree with that. In 2010, he hit 3 180s in his first round match and 2 in 2009 and think it's fair to say his game has improved since then, and the experience of a World Championship run could well put him in good stead this week and I fancy him to win this battle of 180s.

[RussP]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 A couple of nice 180 winners last nights were offset by Big Robbo's exit and Fitton's loss but, after a very mixed Day 1, I'm at -0.65pts. Plenty to get stuck into today & here's the first tranche of bets. J.Walton v M.Atkins, over 5.5 180's, 4pts @ 5/6 Bet365 I'm with Fishy here and can't really add an awful lot. John Boy is a good maximum scorer generally and in the last 3 years here, has amassed 23 in 6 matches, including 6 in his opening round 3-1 win over Dave Prins 12 months ago. Atkins, meanwhile, hasn't been playing too well this year but always seems to play ok here, scoring well without getting the results. In the last 3 years, Atkins has played 14 1st round sets, scoring a massive 16 maximums including an amazing 9 last years. The other thing to strike me is that these 2 are closely matched and I fully expect it to go 4 or 5 sets which should be more than enough to bring this bet in. A.Boulton, highest checkout under 88.50, 3pts @ 5/6 Paddy Power Andy Boulton takes on the man in form, Scott Waites, and will be up against it here. It would be no surprise to see Scotty 2 Hotty win 3-0 but I'm always dubious when he's well fancied so have left that one alone and gone with the checkout bet. I honestly don't see Boulton winning too many legs, 4 or 5 at most. Will that be enough to take out 89 or more? I really don't think so. The pressure will be on him when he gets a chance and I'm not sure he's up to it. He will need to score well to give himself a chance at the doubles and if he doesn't, he will struggle. It always takes the players a few legs to get up & running at Lakeside and the way Waites has been playing, he could be up & gone by then. In all of yesterday's 5 games, not one of the losers covered this line and I don't believe that will change here so will take the unders. P.Jennings v G.Thompson, over 17.5 legs, 4pts @ Evs Skybet The final match of the afternoon session and I think this will be a close run thing. I actually fancy Jennings to prevail, as many do, but on his Lakeside debut, I'm not sure it will be as comfortable as many expect. On your first visit here, the last person you want to face is the darts equivalent of Cliff Thorburn! Thompson ain't a spectacular player but he's always up for a battle and is never brushed aside that easily. In his 3 visits here, he's always played at least 4 sets in Round 1 so there's been no whitewash and I see that continuing. Neither of these seem to be having trouble with their darts, in that each of them remain in good form. Thompson has reached at least the semi finals in his last 2 events whilst Jennings comes here off the back of a win in Latvia. I fancy this to be one of the first matches of this years championships to go the distance and, if it does, we'll be collecting on the overs.

[RussP]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Onto this evening. C.Kist to beat J.Dekker, 4pts @ 11/8 Coral I've backed Kist outright and am taking him tonight too. As I've said earlier, I fancy him to go well as he's one of those Dutch with a growing reputation and the fact he plays a fellow countryman who will have pressure & expectation on his shoulders will suit our man. Quite often a young Dutch player performs well on this stage but fails to follow up next time & I really think that fate could bestow upon Dekker. Kist is 2 from 2 this year against Dekker, winning at both the World Masters & the Spring Cup and H2H form is worth an awful lot, I feel. I understand the reason why everyone wants to be on Dekker but think there's more than enough evidence to suggest he'll struggle and, at a price that looks too big, I'll take the newcomer to prevail. W.Harms to beat M.Philips, 3pts @ 21/10 Boylesports W.Harms most 180's v M.Philips, 3pts @ 2/1 Victor Chandler I'm going for another debutant Dutch player to upset the applecart. We all know the credentials of Martin Philips and that he's a tough player to beat but I just think the 1st round is the time to catch him & a young, fearless type is just the sort to beat him. Wesley Harms has some really excellent form to his name this year including a win at the International Open where he disposed of the likes of Robson, Winstanley and Bunting. That form gives him a real shout here and I think the presence of a big Dutch contingent, here to see Dekker & Kist too, will really help him if he can get his arm working early. Philips is Mr Consistent and scores well but generally struggles to get all 3 in the lipstick in one go. He's only hit 1 in each of his first round matches here in the last 3 years and I don't think that will be enough against this promising prospect. Crowd on his side, I think Harm is priced too big to both win the match and take out the most maximums. Go Orange!

[PerryPFC]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012

What's happened to Stuart Kellett?

Appeared out of nowhere last year and seems to have gone back there this year!

[fishy25]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Really not getting that little bit of luck you need in the early stages of a tournament like this. Could have easily have had a full house this afternoon, with Walton having chances to win all of the first 3 sets and the Waites match was hugely frustrating. There was little between the two players in truth but for Waites' impressive finishing at key moments. Without those, he could have been in real trouble especially if Boulton could have hit a couple of D11s so a tad frustrated I didn't get any return from that match as I still feel it was a decent shout. Some good shouts by Russ though :clap Onto tonight and feel I just need that little bit of luck to change my fortunes. Will update the P/L after tonight's session, one which I'm taking 4 in. Jan Dekker vs Christian Kist- Over 17.5 legs- Evens Blue Square- (3/10) Christian Kist Most 180s- 7/4 Blue Square- (3/10) I'm hoping Dekker pulls through in the end but I expect a pretty tight affair between the two Dutchman. Dekker had the tournament of his life 12 months ago, reaching the semi finals and had a pretty decent 2011, in which he won a couple of tournaments. Kist as Russ has mentioned is a guy who has a growing reputation and leads the head to head over Dekker with a couple of wins over his fellow Dutchman. I saw a little bit of him at the Winmau Masters and remember him taking out a 170 finish against Tony West which shows he can clearly play. In the end I'm slightly left leaning towards Dekker given his experience on the big stage in the last year which I think counts for a lot, but it's understandable to see why people fancy an upset in this one. Either way, I fancy a pretty tight contest, and I wouldn't back against a 3-2 win for either player but this line could be covered in 4 tight sets so I think we'll see at least 18 legs here. I am backing Kist to hit more maximums in this one as I don't really understand the odds. Jan Dekker is a good finisher, and is relatively consistent but he isn't the heaviest scorer in the world. He only hit 1 in his first round match against Scott Mitchell last year, and he managed just 1 maximum in total in the Grand Slam in his 3 matches so I don't expect him to be hitting them for fun either tonight. Christian Kist admittedly I haven't seen play too often, but from what I've seen he can be erratic with his darts, but also score pretty heavily if he finds his range. He's one of those guys who needs to be in some sort of rhythm to get going, and once he does, he can make quick work of a leg. Given I don't see Dekker as hitting too many tonight, think the odds are good enough for me to back Kist to hit more 180s tonight. Ted Hankey vs Clive Barden- Highest Checkout Over 116.5- 5/6 Ladbrokes- (3/10) Hankey should win this comfortably but I'm not confident enough to back the Count on the handicap tonight. I fully expect him to set up a mouth watering second round tie with Scott Waites but you never know what to expect with Hankey in the early rounds, as his antics at Lakeside have been interesting to say the least. I do think this line is set a little low though, as we all know Hankey can finish well if he gets going. We saw him hit finishes of 161 and 121 in the Grand Slam, and I'm sure most darts fans remember that 170 he hit to win the World Championship. Must admit I'm not entirely keen on his 'character' on stage but there's no doubting that he is a quality darts player who will probably move to the PDC in the next year or two given the way he played in the Grand Slam. This line is low enough to allow a pretty tame 3 darter and I feel Hankey always has a decent checkout in him, whilst Clive Barden would love nothing better to make a game of this, and in order to do that, he'll have to hit some decent shots so the overs looks appealing to me here. Wesley Harms vs Martin Phillips- Over 4.5 180s- 4/5 Blue Square- (3/10) I don't expect hugs and kisses between the two players when this match has finished given the stuff I've read and heart about Wesley Harms backstage. The Dutchman looks to be the Nicholson equivalent on the BDO books, as he has had a lot to say about the players in the tournament and also about his own game which could set up a potential thriller in this match. Whether all that stuff will get to Martin Phillips, one of the most wily players in the tournament I don't know, but what I do think is that both players will be completely up for this one and we could see some fireworks. Harms is likely to get the crowd involved big time tonight, and that could really benefit his game and push him to play well. Phillips as we know is extremely consistent all round, and will play his usual game which should see him hit some maximums here. Given all of the talk about Wesley Harms, he could well trouble Phillips tonight and push the Welshman which could bring the best out of both players. Both can chip away at this line and even in an anti-climatic 3 set match, this line looks a tad low to me so backing the overs.

[RussP]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Not a bad day at all with 4 out of 6 bets winning and Kist winning to keep the outright bet alive. Despite that, I feel a little hard done by with Garry Thompson having 6 darts at the double to bring home that losing bet (ok, Jennings had the same 6:lol) and Harms hitting the same number of maximums as Philips. Suppose I did have some luck with the 180's bet in the Walton/Atkins match so it evens itself out. After Day 2, I'm at +9.98pts. Things are looking ok, especially with Kist averaging over 97, the highest so far this tournament, I just hope he hasn't peaked too early:lol. Can't find a bet on tomorrow's card so no more bets until Tuesday. Fishy, unlucky tonight mate but some decent shouts all the same. Those crossbar 'hits' will soon start going in off the underside of the bar:ok

[fishy25]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Good stuff Russ :clap That Kist outright looks a great shout by you and Kev now if he can continue that form throughout the tournament. A couple of really frustrating sessions for me yesterday, which has left me on -14.71 with Phillips and Dekker crashing out. Do still have Montgomery, Hankey and more notably Harms outrights still going, and with a slight change of luck, I can turn that figure right around. Hopefully that will start tonight where I'm taking a couple of underdogs. Geert de Vos to beat Tony West- 15/8 Bet365- (3/10) I backed Tony's brother Steve to progress through to the last 16 and since he failed to win, I'm hoping his sibling will make up for that loss and follow suit. I've been hearing this morning that there's a good chance West can't find his darts so he won't be playing with them tonight unless he finds them and that isn't the kind of preparation you need going into a World Championship. He's actually never made it past the last 16 in this tournament before, despite winning the World Masters way back in 2003. West has only won one of his last 6 matches coming into the tournament, and although he made the quarters at the Masters in September, it's worth mentioning that Christian Kist had darts to beat him in the first round so West's form really isn't great. If anyone watched the PDC World Championship, one of the main tournament success stories was that of Kim Huybrechts and here we have another Belgian player who shouldn't be discounted. He recently beat Gary Robson in the Zuiderduin Masters, and ran Scott Waites fairly close as well which shows he can play. He also made the quarter finals of the World Cup singles which isn't a bad result in the slightest, given the fact that the two finalists were Waites and Adams. The odds look too high on the Belgian here, and I can't imagine West's preparation today has gone well at all so that could well play on his mind. If De Vos can start well and play solidly here, I feel he's got a chance to take this one and knock another seed out of the tournament in round one. Benito van der Pas to beat Alan Norris- 11/10 Ladbrokes- (4/10) Over 5.5 180s- Evens Blue Square- (3/10) We've seen the quality of the Dutch players in this tournament before and even last night with arguably the two stand out performances in the tournament thus far through Kist and Dekker. I fancy another one to progress through to round two here in 18 year old Benito van der Pas. Even as a teenager, he is still the 14th seed for the tournament which shows how well he has done even at this tender age. He is a kid with a lot of promise and like Kist, his reputation in Holland is growing. He had a superb year in 2011, winning the German Open where he beat the likes of Kist, Green, Hankey, Dekker and finally O'Shea in the final :loon, and he has also enjoyed wins over Scott Waites and Kim Huybrechts last year which shows how good this kid is. Norris actually beat Van de Pas twice last year which suggests he may have the edge over the youngster but I don't really go along with that. Norris ended the season well with wins in the French and Luxembourg Opens, and runner up to Dean Winstanley in the Czech Open so he clearly is in some form coming into this one however he is yet to make it past the second round at Lakeside, which is probably down to his touch draws being unseeded more than anything else. From those results in 2011 though, I really fancy the teenage sensation to win this eventually though. He'll want some revenge on Norris after those last two matches, and we've seen just how well the Dutch players go on this stage and at odds against, I'm more than happy to back him here. I will take the overs on the 180s though as both should be more than capable of chipping away at it. We all know what explosive scorers these Dutch kids are, the likes of Dekker, Klaasen and Kist spring to mind amongst many others and Van der Pas wouldn't have got the results he did last year without scoring well. Norris in recent years has hit 180s seemingly for fun on the Lakeside stage, hitting 7 in total from his 2 matches last year, and 9 in his first round match back in 2010 in just 5 sets so he should hit some tonight. Just think both could go near to covering this line on their own, and the two of them together should hit 6 between them. Dean Winstanley vs Joey Ten Berge- Under 16.5 legs- 5/6 Blue Square- (3/10) Over 5.5 180s- 5/6 Bet365- (3/10) I actually fancy Winstanley to win this slightly easier than most as his preparation coming into this tournament looks to be really good. He's been practicing all morning and isn't taking any chances in this first round match as he looks to go one better than last year and win the trophy. He was beaten by Scott Waites in the final of the Masters, whilst he won the Czech Open and was really impressive in the Grand Slam, averaging over 104 in his classic with Mark Walsh. He has been extremely consistent throughout the year and he'll really fancy his chances this year at Lakeside. Ten Berge's results weren't as great last year, compared to that of 2010 but did make the semi finals of the Swedish Open and qualified well for the World Championships. He's had a fair bit of experience now on this stage, as he made the the last 16 in 2011, and qualified for the first round since 2009 but he is yet to average more than 90 and I see that being his problem tonight. Winstanley has really moved up a couple of levels since last year I feel, and is scoring more heavily than ever, although still being prone to missing doubles. Due to that he could well take a couple of sets out in no time at all without Ten Berge getting a look in, and even if the Dutchman pinches a set, if Winstanley can win most of his 3 comfortably, this line could still be covered so backing the unders rather than the handicap as it's at a slightly better price. Again backing the overs on the maximums as Winstanley may well want to get this one done pretty sharply given he isn't the best on his doubles. To do that he will need to score heavily, and that's just what he has done throughout 2011. In the Grand Slam, he hit at least 3 180s in every match, whilst in the World Championship last year, he hit no less than 5 in every match which shows the scoring power of 'Over the Top'. Joey Ten Berge is no slouch around the lipstick either, as he hit 5 180s over the course of his 2 matches here last year so he should contribute as well to covering this line so I'll back the overs as well.

[kevshat]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Was nothing I really fancied yesterday but I like two tonight. -4 coming in after Saturday. I'm going double Dutch tonight. 4pts B.van de Pas to beat A.Norris 11/10 Ladbrokes Benito van de Pas comes to the Lakeside as the 14th seed but he could easily have been seeded higher than that as he's ranked 12 in the BDO. He won the German Open earlier in the year and if you look at the men he beat in that tournament - Christian Kist, Robbie Green, Ted Hankey, Jan Dekker and Tony O'Shea then you know the 18 year old Dutchman is a special talent. He also has a win over Kim Huybrechts in the Swiss Open and that form was well and truly franked at Alexandra Palace recently. It must be said Chuck Norris is a very competent player himself and comes into this event in good form having won the French Open and Luxembourg Open towards the end of last year and making the final of the Czech Open. I just feel with Norris he's another who takes advantage of chances given to him and I don't see him being given many in this match. Benito van der Pas averaged over 95 in beating Tony O'Shea to win the German Open and as a standard bearer that's plenty good enough for me to take the Dutch teenager in this one. 3pts J.ten Berge (+1.5 sets) to beat D.Winstanley 5/4 Paddy Power I wouldn't be at all surprised if Dean Winstanley becomes the biggest casualty of this tournament thus far tonight. Not just because he's playing a very competent player in Joey ten Berge but because I'm confident this will be Winstanley's final BDO tournament and his attention could be elsewhere. To be fair to Winstanley he's had a cracking 2011 and played some lovely darts at the World Masters where only Scott Waites was too good for him. Winstanley has wins at the Czech Open and English Classic to his name in 2011 so that shows how good a year he had but this is the big one. Joey ten Berge hasn't had the greatest year in the world but there were signs at the Zuiderduin that he was beginning to come good again and I think he'll at least push Winstanley all the way here. Martin Atkins missed darts at a double to send Winstanley packing in this round last year and it's never easy being such a heavy favourite in these best of 5 set matches. That's even more the case when your opponent is as competent as ten Berge is. Winstanley misses too many doubles for me to believe this will be an easy win for him and throw in the fact he can't count and there's just too many doubts. I'm confident enough ten Berge's resurgence can continue this evening and whether he wins or loses I think he'll take 2 sets.

[RussP]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Decided to take 2 now in the final match as the prices look a shade too big. J.ten Berge to hit most 180's v D.Winstanley, 2pts @ 10/3 Victor Chandler J.ten Berge to beat D.Winstanley, 2pts @ 3/1 SportingBet I'm a big admirer of young ten Berge and think he'll give Winstanley a bit to think about. Agree with Kev that Winstanley's motivation may be elsewhere and I genuinely think he's been flattered by last years win. We've already seen big names that played well last year crashing out this week including semi finalists Jan Dekker and Martin Philips. Combined with that has been the Dutch players getting better & better. Pressure will be on the Englishman, whilst ten Berge is a fast, momentum player. That also helps us on the 180's bet where, once he starts hitting the lipstick, he's difficult to stop. Again, Winstanley is no slouch on the maximums but the price flatters him, solely based on last years run. Should be a cracking match to watch & provided the Dutchman can get into a rhythm, I think he'll give Over The Top a real fright here and, ultimately, outscore him. No pressure versus pressure could be the key.

[RussP]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Going into Round 2, I'm now +5.98pts after a win for Winstanley tonight. Going to get stuck into tomorrows matches, there's a few bets I'm really keen on. R.Green v W.Harms, over 9.5 180's, 4pts @ Evs BlueSq Robbie Green is a 180 machine as he showed in round 1 when hitting 8 in his victory over Daryl Fitton. Add to that another 15 scores of 130 or more in just 17 legs and it's clear to see that he could cover this line on his own. In Harms' first round victory over Martin Philips, he scored just 2 maximums in 17 legs but 17 over 130 showed his scoring potential. I expect both will up their games here too and we should see a lot more legs than the 17 they both faced in Round 1. I see this match going 6 or 7 sets and, if it does, the 10 maximums needed should look a little low. M.Adams (-2.5 sets) to beat G.Stone, 4pts @ 10/11 BlueSq M.Adams, most 180's v G.Stone, 6pts @ 6/5 Skybet I really like Wolfie here. It's commonly known that he only ever does enough to get through the 1st round as he always feels the pressure but then he ups his game massively from there on in. Gary Stone played the game of his life to win in 3 sets in Round 1 but I just don't see where he takes 2 sets off Adams here. Wolfie is desperate for 3 in a row and will want to send a message to all his challengers that he remains in top form & is the man to beat here at Lakeside. I really think 4-1 or 4-0 here so am happy to take him on the cap. In respect of the maximums bet, I just don't see the price at all. I understand the fact that Stone hit 4 as opposed to Adams' 2 in Round 1 but, as I've already alluded to, Wolfie will now up the ante. Look at the last 2 years; he followed 1 180 in Round 1 in both years with 6 and 7 respectively and I expect him to do it again this year. That will need Stone to step up which will be difficult under the immense pressure he'll be facing and I think odds against & joint fav here is a stupid price so am happy to have my biggest bet of the tournament so far. R.Montgomery v T.O'Shea, over 23.5 legs, 4pts @ 5/6 Skybet I expect this to be a cracker, the best of the night. Both these players looked pretty good in the opening round in comfortable wins but know they now face a real challenge. The likely incentive is a quarter final match up against Martin Adams and that's something both players will want. I don't expect an awful lot of breaks of throw and if that happens, the leg betting is too low. This should go the full distance, with 6 sets the minimum I expect and that should be more than enough to bring home the bacon here. We could land the bet in 5 sets (4-1 either way) if the sets are tight so strongly feel the line in 3-4 too low. The H2H record is tight too, 3-2 to O'Shea, so everything looks in favour to take this to 24 or more legs in the final match of the evening.

[fishy25]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Better night for me tonight, leaving me on -10.58 for the tournament. Agree with what Russ has said for a couple of the matches tonight, and hoping Harms and Montgomery can win their respective matches. Paul Jennings (-1.5 sets) to beat Steve Douglas- 11/8 Ladbrokes- (3/10) Both players came through comfortably from their first round matches but Jennings really impressed me on debut. It was clear nerves affected him when he was trying to hit his winning double but after coming through that, I think it may settle him down and allow him to relax a bit more in this one. He averaged a shade under 84 against Garry Thompson and that is certainly not a bad debut at Lakeside, and but for a ton of missed doubles towards the end, that average would have been nearer the 85/86 mark. If he plays like that I don't see Douglas winning 3 sets here. He caused an upset in the first round by beating Gary Robson but to be fair it was more Robson was shocking rather than Douglas doing anything special. He checkout solidly when he needed to, but Robson never put much pressure on after the first set and all Douglas had to do was keep chipping away. Jennings should score more heavily than Robson did, and after getting through his debut unscathed, he should be a bit more relaxed when it comes to hitting his double. Jennings beat Douglas 3-1 in the Latvia Open final back in November and I'd fancy him to win this no worse than 4-2 as well. Robbie Green vs Wesley Harms- Over 9.5 180s- Evens Blue Square- (3/10) Hope Harms wins this one and I was actually pretty impressed by the Dutchman in his win over Martin Phillips and if Robbie Green misses doubles like he did against Daryl Fitton, he should have chances. One thing we did see from Robbie Green in his first round match is his heavy scoring ability. He notched up 8 180s in his first round match and despite his trouble when it came to finishing off the leg, he had no problems in finding the lipstick. Harms hit a couple against Martin Phillips as well so he can chip away at this total, but I expect the majority to come from Robbie Green. Apparently Wesley Harms was giving it a lot of talk backstage which upset Robbie Green so this could prove to be a real feisty affair. The Dutchman will be looking to show why he thinks he is such a good player whilst Green will be hoping to eat him up (not literally despite public opinion) so both players should be really up for it, and I expect to see at least 10 maximums in this one. Martin Adams (-2.5 sets) to beat Gary Stone- 10/11 Blue Square- (5/10) Highest Match Checkout Over 125.5- 5/6 Blue Square- (6/10) Can't add much to what Russ has said about Wolfie here but I also expect him to be really comfortable here. I don't see Stone winning 2 sets here, maybe 1 but certainly not 2 as Adams has vasts amount of experience, something which Stone doesn't have. To be fair to the Scot, he played really well in his first round match, averaging just under 90 but he'll be under far more pressure against Adams here and I'm not sure how well he will cope so I'll back the world champ to win no worse than 4-1. I am expecting a decent checkout in this match though at some point. In Adams' whitewash of Scott Mitchell, he notched up finishes of 132 and 136 and as the match went on, you could see him grow in confidence. He should be more relaxed in this match given he has come through a potential banana skin in round one and I'd expect him to take out at least one decent finish like he did in round one and send out a message that he is still the man to beat. Ross Montgomery vs Tony O'Shea- Highest Match Checkout Over 125.5- 5/6 Bet365- (3/10) I also expect a decent checkout or two in this one as well. This has all the makings of a cracker as both guys are pretty evenly matched. O'Shea should have lost the first set in his first round match against Steve West but when he took out that D1, he never looked back. He took out finishes of 140 and then a 142 to finish the match and if he plays like he did in sets 2 and 3 against West, I'd expect him to nail a good finish. Montgomery was also impressive in round one and eventually held off a spirited comeback from Fabian Roosenbrand so that should have given him confidence coming into this one as it's fair to say he has really struggled on the Lakeside stage. If the Scot is playing well, he scores heavily and is more than capable of taking out some big shots as well so I'll back the overs here.

[kevshat]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Didn't need that myself. van de Pas ran into a truck in Norris who played superb darts and then Joey ten Bergers as I can him played like Joey ten lagers for 2 sets and it was too late when he got going. -11 overall now but the tournament begins here really with the rubbish eliminated. I'll hit 3 on Tuesday in what looks like a decent card. 4pts P.Jennings (-1.5 sets) to beat S.Douglas 11/8 Ladbrokes Paul Jennings was well touted both on here and in the outside world for this tournament coming into the event and it's not hard to see why. The North East man won four tournaments in 2011 and the only doubt about him was how he would handle the Lakeside stage. It does take some getting used to but Jennings looked at home on it in his opening match against Garry Thompson. He struggled to hit the winning double but there have been many before him who've done that and not ended up hitting it. I expect to see better from Jennings now that he will have settled down and into the tournament and be more familiar with the stage. Steve Douglas came past Gary Robson in the opening round but there was more than a shade of suspicion about Big Robbo's 'performance' in that match. The way he handed the 3rd set to Douglas on a plate was hard to believe really. So that makes it hard to really assess Douglas' performance in that match. All we can do is look at his scores and they weren't up to much but you have to give him credit and Robson's shambles could have pulled Douglas down a level or two. Even if that was the case I still think Jennings would have too much for him here and I think he'll have a lot too much for him if we get the improvement from Jennings that I expect to see. 4pts R.Green (-1.5 sets) to beat W.Harms 10/11 Bet365 I thought all along whoever won the Green vs Fitton match would have a good run this week and nothing I saw over the weekend has convinced me otherwise. Wesley Harms had a good win over Martin Phillips in the first round but my own feeling is Martin Phillips never really showed up in the match and had he have done I thought the Dutch player was there for the taking. One thing we do know here is Kong will turn up. He's a big time player in more than one sense of the word. We saw when he made the World Masters final in 2009 that he isn't afraid of the big stage and it's only a matter of time before he goes deep in this tournament. He has some serious scoring power up his locker and although he missed way too many doubles in the first round I'll put that down to first round pressure because he's usually pretty solid on them as his throw is very solid. Wesley Harms will need to score at his best to keep with Green but if Green hits a fair percentage on the doubles then I think the Scouser will have a very comfortable night with an easy win over Sparky. 5pts T.O'Shea vs R.Montgomery - Over 5.5 sets 8/11 Skybet Even at 8/11 I think this is a cracking bet because these two look so evenly matched. They've met five times in their careers and there hasn't been a blowout among any of them and I don't expect there to be here either. These two are two of the better players in the BDO and both are more than experienced on this stage. Both score well and both hit doubles well enough, certainly well enough to stay close to the other anyway. This looks the pick of the night's matches and I fully expect a real tussle. I wouldn't be surprised if this one goes the distance but I certainly think it will go 6 sets at the very least. Both men have been in decent enough form in the last few months and so I'll take this one to end 4-2 or 4-3 in what has the makings of being one of the matches of the tournament.

[ThusPrider]

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Ive got my eye on Jan Dekker. The young dutchman has plenty of potential and I see him as a top player in years to come. When he makes this breakthrough though I dont know. He did well last year and I'd expect him to be in contention this year. Some of the other favourites have some tough early round fixtures and that is a plus. But before I take anything I like to watch a couple of rounds before diving in, though the odds could shorten.

Bit late but just remembered this post. Unbelievable match between Kist and Dekker, the question is if his form will continue! Though Im glad i didnt back Dekker early... but plenty of value for money for those who did, as it was so unexpected how good Kist was!

[kevshat]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Been toying up whether to take this one or not all day but decided to pull the trigger with a small stake. 3pts G.Stone (+2.5 sets) to beat M.Adams 11/10 William Hill At odds against I think the price on this handicap is a shade too big. I was impressed with what I saw from Gary Stone in the first round and I see no reason why he can't give Martin Adams a game tonight. The pressure is all on Martin Adams tonight. Stone pretty much won his world championship on Saturday and anything from here is a bonus so he can let his arm go and let the tungsten flow tonight. Wolfie has a lot on his shoulders both on the oche and off the oche. On the oche he's trying to emulate Eric Bristow's record of 3 Lakeside wins on the bounce and it really can not be underestimated what that means to not just him but anyone who play their darts in the BDO system currently. While the PDC World Championship has all the glitz and the glamour this tournament has all the history and the prestige to it so it's a big thing playing on this Lakeside stage let alone winning the title. Off the oche he's under all sorts of pressure to deliver and deliver quickly with strong rumours of an almost complete walkout from players after this tournament. As one of the new BDO board of directors Adams will be carrying part of the can for that and it will not be easy to just forget the off the oche issues when he's on the oche. The last thing you need in darts, and I know from experience, is anything clouding your mind because concentration is paramount. If Stone can score as heavily as he did in round 1 then I think he'll get more than enough chances to win 2 sets and I wouldn't be wholly surprised if he achieved a lot more than that too.

[Pensioner65]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Kev,Russ & Fishy just wondering where you get your darts stats from?I know the dartsdatabase but there is no detailed info like dart averages,180's etc..in a particular game.Has scores & past tournaments but need more than that.Russ mentioned Adams 180's in previous rds in previous years..Where did you get that from? Tell you why i mention the above..was gonna back Stone large in the 'score most 180's' in tonights match vs Adams just based on the info from the BBC dart extra programme,odds were something like 2.4.Just thought that looking at both performances that Stone had much better chance,as Adams is a consistant 100 scorer rather than a 180's man(in the games themselves Stone scored 4 maxs to Adams 2 max). What i find annoying from BDO tournament is i cant find stats on saturday,sunday & mondays games just gone.. PDC games i find on their website but BDO site has nothing.Makes it difficult to bet on. Anyway,good luck with everyones bets tonight :hope

[kevshat]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Moved those posts to the livescore thread and added a live stream link for the Jennings match for those wanting to watch it.

[Trevs]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 were 7 or 8 180's in Jennings's match?

[RussP]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012

Kev,Russ & Fishy just wondering where you get your darts stats from?I know the dartsdatabase but there is no detailed info like dart averages,180's etc..in a particular game.Has scores & past tournaments but need more than that.Russ mentioned Adams 180's in previous rds in previous years..Where did you get that from? Tell you why i mention the above..was gonna back Stone large in the 'score most 180's' in tonights match vs Adams just based on the info from the BBC dart extra programme,odds were something like 2.4.Just thought that looking at both performances that Stone had much better chance,as Adams is a consistant 100 scorer rather than a 180's man(in the games themselves Stone scored 4 maxs to Adams 2 max). What i find annoying from BDO tournament is i cant find stats on saturday,sunday & mondays games just gone.. PDC games i find on their website but BDO site has nothing.Makes it difficult to bet on. Anyway,good luck with everyones bets tonight :hope

I used both dartsdatabase and the archive section under bdodarts site:ok

were 7 or 8 180's in Jennings's match?

8:ok 4 each.

[kevshat]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Last night started well but then a series of missed doubles meant it ended badly. -17.5pts coming into Wednesday night which looks like another quality card. I'll target 3 of the matches. 4pts M.Atkins to beat W.van der Wiel 5/6 Bet365 Martin Atkins has been a bit unlucky down the years at the Lakeside as he always seems to play well but always seems to go out be it because he has a tough draw or he walks into a freak performance from a player but this year he's seen off his tough draw in the first round and he's been rewarded with a second round match which he can definitely win. Willy van der Wiel seems to have mastered the art of coming through the first round of this tournament without playing well but in the second round he continues to not play well and is found wanting and that's the sort of trend I expect to continue here. Martin Atkins isn't a devastating scorer but you rarely see his average down below 85. He's usually 87 and upwards which is steady enough at this level. Atkins finished brilliantly in the first round and if he can continue on that path and keep his scoring consistent then over a seven set match I would expect him to have a bit too much for van der Wiel who while being competent has never given out the signs he has that ultra stunning gear a lot of the Dutch players have. 4pts T.Hankey Over 5.5 180's 11/10 Skybet This line looks a tad low to me for one of the heavier 180 scorers who ever lived and if he is to stick with Scott Waites tonight then he is going to have to pepper the lipstick. Hankey's game probably isn't as consistently strong as it was in 2009 when he won the title but it's more because of missed doubles rather than a decline in his scoring which makes that the case. Hankey hit 6 180's in his second round match at the Grand Slam last year which is a slightly lesser distance than this one and he also hit 6 180's the last time he was in the second round here two years ago in a one sided win over Willy van der Wiel. Hankey scored 3 180's in his first round win and that included a couple of sets where he nodded off. He can't afford to nod off tonight and he has to hit big scores to live with Waites so I think we can see at least half a dozen maximums out of the Count in this one. 6pts D.Winstanley vs A.Norris - Over 9.5 180's 5/6 Sportingbet 3pts Over 5.5 sets 5/6 Blue Square The final match of the night has the potential to be a real corker. Dean Winstanley is one of the better players in the BDO while Alan Norris showed the confidence of a man who has won a few tournaments in recent months in his first round match. Between them they hit 13 180's in the first round and 180's are something I expect to see a lot of this evening between two of the heavier scorers in the game. Winstanley scores for fun and Norris could've had even more than the 8 180's he had in the first round. I wouldn't be surprised if both men hit 5 180's in this match but either could easily go close to covering this line themselves. The way both men are playing right now I think this could be one of the closest matches in the second round. Winstanley will give Norris chances to take and Norris looks in the form to take them while we saw at the Grand Slam that Winstanley is capable of excellent darts. I've a feeling this will be really close which will give the 180 line another boost in our quest for it being covered but even if it isn't these two have their strength in their scoring so I still expect the 180's to come in. I'll take the overs in 180's and in sets in what could be the match of the tournament thus far.

[fishy25]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Checkouts really let me down last night, with neither of them coming through. Montgomery getting beaten wasn't ideal either, so overall I'm sitting on -17.90 for the tournament. However Harms is into the quarter finals so I'll be on him at 20/1 to beat Paul Jennings so hopefully the Dutchman can make up for losses so far. Hoping Hankey beats Waites tonight and Winstanley does the business against Norris but I'll take an additional 5 match bets as well. Similar thinking to Kev for some of them. Martin Atkins to beat Willy Van der Wiel- 5/6 Bet365- (4/10) Martin Atkins (-1.5 sets) to beat Willy Van der Wiel- 7/4 Bet365- (3/10) Nether player had an especially good year in 2011 in terms of results but I fancy Atkins to back up his win over John Walton in round one and make it into the quarter finals for the first time. I fancied Walton to beat Atkins comfortably in the first round and but for some missed doubles, he could well have won 3-0. He didn't however and Atkins really upped his game in sets 3 and 4, and his finishing improved which is something which lets The Assassin down a fair bit. Even averaging a touch over 83, van der Wiel wasn't ever pushed in the first round but he will need to add at least 4/5 points to that average to stay competitive here you feel as Atkins should be averaging around the 90 mark. Atkins will know this is a major chance of getting through the second round for the first time on this Lakeside stage and I think he will have too much for the Dutchman so I'll back him to win and also take a little punt on the handicap as well. Christian Kist (-1.5 sets) to beat Geert de Vos- 8/11 Ladbrokes- (4/10) Under 7.5 180s- 5/6 Bet365- (3/10) Christian Kist was involved in the best match of round one where he beat Jan Dekker in a thriller and averaged 97.77 which would be competitive against any player in the BDO or PDC. He scored consistently well and finished solidly as well and any repeat of that performance, he'll be a tough man to beat over the next week or so. I backed De Vos to beat Tony West in the first round and he happily obliged but I don't see him making it past Kist here. Tony West was using someone else's darts in the first round which would have affected him and whether he would have been totally committed to that match is dubious. He and his brother are looking to play in the PDC at some point this year so I'm not sure how up for that match he was. To be fair De Vos did well on debut though and held his nerve at some key moments but he will be under far more pressure tonight. Kist will be full of confidence after that win over Dekker, and if he starts well, he could well run away with this one in virtually no time at all. When these two met earlier in the season, Kist didn't drop a set in his win and if he plays like he did against Dekker, he may well repeat that win here but either way, I don't see him dropping more than 2 sets here so I'll back him on the handicap here. Also taking the unders on the 180s as 8 maximums looks a big high to me. As I've said, if Kist really gets going, he could well run away with this match if De Vos doesn't up his game from the first round and we could well see a 4-0 4-1 win here for the Dutchman. If that's the case that shouldn't be enough time for 8 180s. Kist hit 4 maximums in 5 sets against Dekker, whilst De Vos hit 2 in 4 sets against Tony West so neither guy will hit tons and tons of maximums I don't envisage. Kist may well hit 4 or 5, but if De Vos is put under the pressure that I see Kist causing through his explosive nature, I'm not sure he will be able to settle down so for that reason, I'll take the unders here. Dean Winstanley vs Alan Norris- Over 9.5 180s- 5/6 Sportingbet- (4/10) The line in the Kist-De Vos match looked high to me, this looks on the low side. I fancy Winstanley to prevail but Norris could well trouble him if he scores like he did in the first round. Both are heavy scorers though and find the lipstick consistently, with Norris hitting 8 in the first round and Winstanley 5 so that shows the scoring ability of both players. Winstanley as we have seen will give Norris chances when he missed doubles as well so Norris should be able to pinch a set if not two. Even if we see just 5 sets in this one, that should give both players enough time to cover this line, whilst if we see 6 or even 7 sets, I'd fully expect the 180 tally to run into double figures so overs for me here.

[RussP]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Quick bet here before the off. S.Waites v T.Hankey, over 23.5 legs, 5pts @ 10/11 Skybet Basically I'm banking on this going 6 sets and, if it does, we should get this line in comfortably. That's 10/11 price beats the 8/11 on offer for 6 sets or more too so looks a bit of value. Both these players are comfortable on the big stage and score heavily to ensure they don't lose their throw too often. I wasn't overly impressed with Waites in Round 1 and, although I think he'll win, I think Hankey will stay close enough to make a match of it. I just hope Hankey relaxes and doesn't let this Lakeside crowd get to him. If he does, this could be a classic and one in which I'm confident we'll see the required 24 legs.

[PerryPFC]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 Great start Kev and Fishy, nice handicap win as well! Unlike previous nights lets hope the momentum stays with the thread and we can have a few 'fullhouses'! The odd missed double seems to be costing both of you some otherwise excellent tips!

[RussP]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012

S.Waites v T.Hankey' date= over 23.5 legs, 5pts @ 10/11 Skybet

With that one now a winner & Adams doing the business last night, I'm up to +13.37pts. Taking one in the final match. A.Norris, most 180's v D.Winstanley, 3pts @ 7/4 Skybet This could well be a classic match up and I'm taking this bet purely on value. To bring this bet in, we may need Chuck to make a game of this but it's something I think he will do against a Dean Winstanley who didn't look unbeatable in round 1. In round 1, each of these 2 were peppering the lipstick and hit 13 maximums between them. Norris outscored his opponent 8-5 so I only imagine this is priced up based on the match odds and that Winstanley is expected to win cosily. Small stakes as I think this is by no means a certainty but is definitely value. Keep up the good work tonight, Kev & Fishy:hope:hope

[Fader]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 1 set all. minimum of 3 sets to go, six 180s and bet365 are offering "over 7.5 180s" at 1.83 :eek

[Fader]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 error fixed hope u got on

[RocknRolla]

Re: Darts: BDO World Championship 2012 No better house than a full house! Well done Kev :clap:clap:clap