Alastair

Trainers want horses running in races they are capable of winning and by now a lot of horses have been put in their place by Paddington and Mostahdaf so they don't fancy turning out again to be beaten. Obviously Desert Crown would have been there but for injury, which is nobody's fault, and King of Steel's connections didn't want to run so close to the King George- which has always been an issue in this particular race ever since the first running when Brigadier Gerrard suffered his only defeat. Additionally the French no longer seem interested. Despite all of that I think I am right in saying that over the past 15 years or so this has been the highest rated race run in England. The race could turn out to be a thriller; the Eclipse was and I think you were trotting out the same argument beforehand.
There are a couple of outsiders for you with Nashwa and The Foxes.

We've had this discussion before but :
1. Even with 4 runners it's still a very strong race.
2. If your proposal for voiding was adopted then the likes of Coolmore/Godolphin/Shadwell would enter a load of no-hopers to make sure the entries threshold was met.

We've had this discussion before but :
1. Even with 4 runners it's still a very strong race.
2. If your proposal for voiding was adopted then the likes of Coolmore/Godolphin/Shadwell would enter a load of no-hopers to make sure the entries threshold was met.

Unbelievable from @Alastair gotta be the king of the most winners comp.
And brilliant from @Peter York 31 bets 15 winners for a 50 quid profit is quite remarkable in itself for second so a well deserved winner of the naps table.

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It will take a herculean effort to beat the new 'most winners' total set by Alistair today. A great effort indeed. This record will most probably last for many years to come!

Wow , well done Alastair 👏

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Great work Alistair. To get even 20 winners is remarkable but to potentially beat the record is even better. Hope you do it.
 

Well done @Alastair 👍

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A very good summary.
For Lexia to get an appreciation of what it is realistic to hope to achieve, arguably the best UK racing punter of the last 30 years Patrick Veitch stated he achieved a profit on turnover of 16.6% in his book "Public Enemy". In every 10 bets that equates to two 100/30 winners, one 2/1 winner and 7 losers.

According to your opening post you are not doing very well at the moment punting with real money so it might be best to take a break from that and just do paper trading. Save up some money which you can set aside as your betting bank which is money earmarked solely for betting - you should have done this already - and return to real betting when you are satisfied from the results of your paper trading that you have a reasonable chance of being profitable.

According to your opening post you are not doing very well at the moment punting with real money so it might be best to take a break from that and just do paper trading. Save up some money which you can set aside as your betting bank which is money earmarked solely for betting - you should have done this already - and return to real betting when you are satisfied from the results of your paper trading that you have a reasonable chance of being profitable.

I am happy to make 5% over the course of a year but I will have losing months within that.
When I first started betting over 40 years ago I thought it was the way to make an easy fortune. 25 years of losses later I realised it wasn't !

I have nothing constructive to add to this thread, but I thank you for making this a 'Gold'thread for me.
Brilliant.

A very good summary.
For Lexia to get an appreciation of what it is realistic to hope to achieve, arguably the best UK racing punter of the last 30 years Patrick Veitch stated he achieved a profit on turnover of 16.6% in his book "Public Enemy". In every 10 bets that equates to two 100/30 winners, one 2/1 winner and 7 losers.

Recording the bets that you 'might have had' but didn't actually put any money down. Even over a week (or better still a month) will give you an idea as to whether or not it is worth doing. Believe me, I have had lots of 'ideas' over the years, but very few have been successful long term (over 3 months).
The biggest mistakes.. and reason for failure with punters are underfunding (too small a betting bank - a few losses cause a panic),... disillusionment ( it doesn't make money fast enough so other bets start to creep in.. instant failure), ... and greed (trying to win too much at once). Most professionals are more than happy to make slow and steady progress, there really is no quick fix solution.

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But if you back any other horse the % of times the favourite or another horse wins will be even higher. @MCLARKE was simply suggesting to you (as someone who acknowledges that they haven't got much of an idea how to pick a horse) the best way to optimise your return from the PP offer. (The favourite is likely to either win or trigger the money back offer more than any other selection that you might select at random.)
 
No, there aren't. Put a lot of hard work and study in for a long time to improve your ability to identify horses that are on offer at a reasonable price as opposed to a poor one. The very best punters only make a relatively small profit as a % of turnover and still encounter losing runs. 3 of them could look at the same race and all come up with a different selection. Even then they won't always find the winner.
On the evidence of your posts you seem to have an unrealistic expectation of there being some sort of easy route to constant profit. My inclination is to suggest that betting isn't for you and you'd probably be better looking for another hobby. You're not enjoying it while you're losing (a reality that the vast majority of recreational punters have to accept) and seem to be aspiring to a quick fix that is unlikely to be attainable.

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