moggis

Hi really sorry to take so long to reply . It’s definitely not stats based . I trade the markets and I myself put a lot of selections in my bets but I’d recommend 6-8 . Most of my selections really are blindingly obvious-either favourites or second favourites- and this really does work 
 

A Holy Grail of betting does in fact exist and it is quite simply to bet on outright markets in accumulators through the season .
It really isn’t hard to learn and one of the great things about it is that even if you give it away on a forum no one listens .

Hi,
First of all I suggest you read the article ,Mugs and Millionaires.
It should confirm that gaining an edge in soccer betting (at least ) really is tough. And one of the reasons it’s tough is because companies like Star Lizard are helping to suck out much of the all important value.
But finding value is only part of the problem. Even if you are one of the few who can find it you still have to deal with the psychology.
Just because most of your selections are value wont prevent you going on a long losing run. And during that run you will begin to doubt thst your selections were in fact value . You will lose confidence . And without confidence that you’re betting value you won’t make much money .
Thus you need a technical edge and a psychological edge. Something very few people will ever have.
Personally I think thst betting on 90 minute soccer msrkets nowadays purely to make money is largely futile .
However most people who bet on soccer aren’t doing it to make money . They’re  doing it either because they like betting and they like football and/or because it’s so hard thst to be one of the very few who can do it ,if they ever can,makes them feel good.
 
Thats the bad news.
The good news is that the answer to your question is YES.
In fact not only can you get an edge in sports betting it’s not at all hard to get an edge.
However you need to only ever bet on long term msrkets.
They are far easier to beat and even better than thst the overwhelming majority of gamblers hardly touch them and never will.
 

I would like to ask the OP why he bets on football at all?
Surely that’s the first thing he should be asking.
What made him decide that competing with millions of others to try to find ever decreasing value in the vague hope of possibly making a few thousand a year was a sensible thing to do.?
One person on this very thread said they tried for  seven years without success!
Thats seven years spent actually working stuff out and spending time creating a ratings system or whatnot when they could have been doing something more useful.
In my opinion ,and I have to say pretty much everything I’ve seen on gambling forums seems to back me up,trying to make money from 90 minute soccer markets is a form of madness .
However there is good news .
If you really must bet on soccer you should know that by far the easiest way to make a profit is to bet on outright markets in multiples during the season.
Good luck 

@OP
Hi first of all thanks for a reasonably interesting thread.Better than most of the pointless nonsense you get online nowadays.
Im commenting because you seem to be in earnest and because I’m stuck in some Northern town with nothing better to do.
Honestly it’s like the beginning of Sean of the Dead up here.But then I assume the whole of the Northern 2/3 of the country is like that .
So first of all Im curious to know what exactly your aim is ?
Do you bet to make money ?
I suspect you don’t . Because you will never make money betting on the more obscure leagues .
Because obviously as soon as any bookie notices you making regular profits from such markets you will be banned or heavily restricted.
So you’re just seeing whether you can come up with a way to beat the bookie just for the hell of it ?
Then what ? 
Secondly the answer to your question about value is no,
Its true that in short term markets you need to be betting value but it’s not true in long term markets ,
Thats why I never waste time betting  on short term markets .Even if you find vslue you then get restricted.
Thirdly I note that many of your bets are on odds on shots . Do you really think it likely that that many odds  on shots are value ?
Possibly but I m skeptical .
But if you really want to test your system you should in fact get yourself to pick out tips before you consult your system.
I suspect that you’d be betting on many of those selections anyway .
 
 

I am passing by after a long hiatus and have only just seen this post. *
Just want to tell people about one of the members of this site. Well he may be an ex member not sure.
 
His name is Alistair and he pmd me a few years ago -I'm sure admin can check and they can read the pms if they wish.
 
Anyway,to cut a long story short Alistair has been betting accumulators on long term markets ever since. He and I have swapped up to 1000 emails over the years and we've had our collective ups and downs.
This season Alistair looks like making a £25,000 profit from a bank of just £5000.
 
Now obviously I'm not claiming that this is in any way normal . Nor am I implying that I will make anything like the % he will make but I am saying that this was the most straightforward season I can remember and it's a great pity that no one -or hardly anyone - listens to the likes of me.
Because most people have just missed out on an opportunity to make £1000s.
 
* I scrolled up from the bottom so havnt seen any other responses to my post.
 
If by chance anyone on here still wants to bet me that I can't make £20,000 from betting in a year I'm willing to compromise over the bank and I will attempt it with £30,000 starting at any point in the year as I bet in the summer as well.
edited to add that ,thinking about it,the bet would need to be at least £2000 and probably closer to £5000 since that person will effectively learn how to make £20,000 from sports betting.
A bargain Id say especially if I only make £19,000 and they win £5000!
But my bets would have to remain a secret between myself and the other party though they can of course report the outcome.
 
Oh yes. Since Alistair will have made his money from ordinary bookmakers let's have no more nonsense about bookies not allowing such bets/stakes/whatever.
Cheers

Never read rules.
Thats my motto.
People who follow rules usually dont make much money in most fields.

I am passing by after a long hiatus and have only just seen this post. *
Just want to tell people about one of the members of this site. Well he may be an ex member not sure.
 
His name is Alistair and he pmd me a few years ago -I'm sure admin can check and they can read the pms if they wish.
 
Anyway,to cut a long story short Alistair has been betting accumulators on long term markets ever since. He and I have swapped up to 1000 emails over the years and we've had our collective ups and downs.
This season Alistair looks like making a £25,000 profit from a bank of just £5000.
 
Now obviously I'm not claiming that this is in any way normal . Nor am I implying that I will make anything like the % he will make but I am saying that this was the most straightforward season I can remember and it's a great pity that no one -or hardly anyone - listens to the likes of me.
Because most people have just missed out on an opportunity to make £1000s.
 
* I scrolled up from the bottom so havnt seen any other responses to my post.
 
If by chance anyone on here still wants to bet me that I can't make £20,000 from betting in a year I'm willing to compromise over the bank and I will attempt it with £30,000 starting at any point in the year as I bet in the summer as well.
edited to add that ,thinking about it,the bet would need to be at least £2000 and probably closer to £5000 since that person will effectively learn how to make £20,000 from sports betting.
A bargain Id say especially if I only make £19,000 and they win £5000!
But my bets would have to remain a secret between myself and the other party though they can of course report the outcome.
 
Oh yes. Since Alistair will have made his money from ordinary bookmakers let's have no more nonsense about bookies not allowing such bets/stakes/whatever.
Cheers

Although I've quoted a psrticular poster this is a general question (which may be rhetorical as it goes).Indeed it may well be that Loius remark was entirely appropriate for the context in which it was made.It did however remind me of the attitude of not a few gamblers.
 
With that in mind,
 
Im a successful bettor and yet lo and behold here I am apparently  ' wasting my time' on this forum.
 
 I hope you can imagine my bemusement at coming across comments like this.
 
And boy oh boy are such comments common on forums.
 
Well not on all betting forums as it happens. I m sure I can't advertise other forums but I could name a forum where they don't frown on successful bettors contributing.
 
But let's stick to PL. (The problem with the other forum is that I've read all the threads already and taken onboard anything of any possible use)
 
Would it be possible for someone to tell me how much money I'm allowed to have made from betting before it would be a waste of my 'valuable' time even bothering to read anything on here let alone posting?
 
I ask because obviously I had no idea that there was such a limit.
 
Clearly there is though as I distinctly remember another poster saying something similar in another thread.
 
He admonished someone for having the temerity to post on this forum when they were claiming to be betting something like £200 per bet or something.
 
What amount per bet is the limit may I ask?
 
Im genuinely fascinated to know.Indeed I'd be very grateful if someone could possibly give me yet more advice on how I should live my life since I'm clearly doing it wrong by wasting my time among the hoi polloi.
 
Let me tell you how I've spent my day so far and perhaps one of you kind sirs could advise me of any areas for improvement .
 
Thanks in advance;
 
9.50 am woken up by postman
went back to bed
11.20 am
got up had coffee read Times headlines,did 6 clues of the Easy cryptic crossword before doing the chess problem.
 
answered emails.
 
watched end of first episode of edge of darkness which I had purchased the night before and fell asleep watching 
 
spent an hour going through my outstanding long term bets on bet365 with a view to cashing some out
 
cashed some out
 
placed some further bets
 
tried 10 minutes of porn but wasn't really in the mood(made mental note to see doctor )
 
read about 50 pages in total of 6 different books on varying subjects
 
more coffee
 
BORED
 
decided it might be time to find out whether the undiscovered geniuses on PL are any closer to finally realising that betting singles on soccer is a mugs game and that betting multiples on long term markets is by far the superior method
 
read a few posts
 
saw something byMPLoius
 
found this.
 
 
Now later on I plan to watch the second episode of edge of darkness,do some much needed tidying up,read some more of my books and ,if I'm finally in the mood ,visit a 20 year old Asian escort .
 
 
See,it seems to little old me that people who win money without having to leave the house tend to have a lot of time on their hands.
 
Not to mention the fact that often the kind of person who prevails at betting is the kind that,as the expression goes I believe,is 'unlucky in love' and thus lives alone.
 
 
But regardless I must say I do find it funny that it's people who apparently havnt won much whose advice is the most preferred on forums such as this?
 
Hmmmm.
 
If I don't respond again it may be because I usually only visit once every few months or so .
 
Honestly you have no idea how many other gambling related sites there are!
 
 
Cheers