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Personally I would just go with SP if nothing else it must make life easier for our hard working competition organiser. Ken

I thought Coral were 9am the day of the race . Awful news from for me the best online betting site bet365 to change their b.o.g. rules to join the rest & therefore squeezing us punters even moreso lessening value , ah well ☹️

Couple for today day 9

Petra Kvitova to beat Varvara Gracheva at 1.50 with William Hill Varvara Gracheva has some tremendous form to her name, but I'll side with Kvitova for the second time in Miami. For one, Gracheva hasn't played against many players with this sort of raw power recently, and that's where her weakness lies imo, she just isn't able to hit back with the same sort of power. This might upset @money44, but I'm just not seeing it for Gracheva :(.

Lingfield 1.45 Fat Gladiator 6/1 Wincanton 3.0 Du De Beauchene 3/1 Wincanton 4.30 Proper Twelve 7/2 Wolverhampton 6.0 Janaat 10/3 20p Win lucky 15 £3

Van De Zandschulp @3.9 vs. Ruud Going against Ruud here, he is not playing his best tennis lately and H2H in favour of Van De Zandschulp 2-1, with one on hard court won 3-1 by Botic at the USO 2021. I take also Van De Zandschulp + 1,5 sets @2.1

We into the final tournament before the big one. Only 8 players this week. I may aswell note the draw : Allen/Ding Carter/K.Wilson --------------------- Selby/Day Murphy/Milkins I'll keep this simple because in my opinion you can rule out half the field atleast. Allen isn't playing well enough and whilst I think Carter is playing the best of the top half, he doesn't have a good record against Kyren or Ding. I hate betting on Kyren Wilson but I think he plays Ding in the semi-final and I reckon over a longer match format that Kyren gets through to the final. I still think he will lose to Murphy though. I didn't fancy Murphy last week because he just wants to play in-front of a crowd. He will want to go into the Worlds in good form. 4pts Murphy to win Tour Championship 7/2 bet365 2pts e/w K.Wilson to win Tour Championship 13/2 betvictor

Dylan Frittelli 160/1 bet365 ew 10 places 1/7 odds - This price looks big considering he was 100/1 last year, in 3 attempts at the course he has always made the cut and came 8th last year. Recent form includes a couple of top 30s.

With the decision of BET365 to only offer BOG from 8am on the day of the race I think it is worth discussing the impact this has on the Naps Competition. I think this now means that none of the bookies that we use offer BOG the night before racing. I think it is important that the competition is as realistic as possible. A suggestion is that if the nap is chosen before 9am then BOG does not apply. If after 9am then BOG does apply. Comments ?

Doubles. 3.15.Ling. Alta Comedia 6/1 unpl 7.00. Wolv. Jilly Cooper 5/1 singles & double stk.6.00 rtn 118.00. Double. 4.00. Winc. Rewired 3/1 unpl 8.30. Wolv. Win Win Power 3/1 stk.6.00 rtn 53.00. Good luck all.

RESULTS UPDATE The boy came good again at 22/1 ?. It seems absolutely crackers on paper that Billy Loughnane should lose on Daheer at 100/30 joint fav and win on Clipsham Gold at 20/1 but that is what happened. Likewise, Oisin Murphy winning on May Knight at 4/1 and losing on Pessoa at 15/8 favourite. Yet that happened too. This fortunate bit was betting on the non-favorite of the star Jockey and apprentice. Not many jockeys win much more than over 20% of their races in a season so I feel it makes good financial sense to look out for and back their rides at good prices. One winner in the L15 gave me 3 winners and a profit of 8.39 points. This makes my MTD +52.51 and YTD -42.76 This is all well and good but I have slapped my wrist because I spent too many points on my races today. I should have staked less on some races and excluded some selections. I wouldn't have missed the 3 winners anyway as I love my top jockeys and of course Billy the kid

Not convinced Ireland will score (France on a 4 game clean sheet run in qualification games). Did consider adding in <5 goals as the final part but gone for France to win/Mbappe to score/Griezmann SoT at 2/1. Had my 56p on so I've got some skin in the game!

ps no need to show off just because you can get such stratospheric stakes on!

Yep, tonight's match is REP OF IRELAND v FRANCE France, BTTS and over3 goals is 9/2

6PM Wolverhampton THEREHEGOES Win COLEYS KOKO Each way Outsiders with a chance. Coleys koko Having second run for yard and has won off much higher. Reunited with regular jockey. Therehegoes Drops in trip and won off higher horse he beat now a regular class three runner. Tiny combination tricast Battle point Janaat Coleys koko Therehegoes

Waleyfa Win Lingfield 2.15 Placed all but one run when with Owen Burrows. Best performance runner up to an 80 rated rival in a class four maiden. Never outside four and five class. Campaigned in class six handicaps for second yard. Drops into classifieds for first time on debut for Alice Haynes. Halved in ratings and price now. Good chance.

Day 5 Lingfield 2.15 Chloellie 25/1 4pl Lingfield 2.45 David's Gift 9/1 4pl Lingfield 4.15 Ummsuquaim 10/1 Lingfield 4.45 Midgetonamission 9/1 potential returns £3,960.62

Winc 300 Bermeo 19/2 ewx 4pl bet365 £10 ew.

Not much opportunity to post but here is a list of newcomers. Hopefully I'm not breaking any copyright ©️ as I've cut and pasted it from an internet search of " list of runners having first run for new trainer." Today's Change In Trainer List Race Horse Trainer CWin% CA/E CROI% LTO Trainer LTORace LTOPos 1:45L Forward Flight(IRE) Kevin Philippart De Foy 18.6% 0.97 2.2% A King Hcap 11 2:15L Showdiemlad(IRE) Mrs L Richards 0.0% 0.00 -100.0% * Robyn Brisland Clsfd Stks 5 2:15L Waleyfa Alice Haynes 12.8% 0.89 41.0% Robert Stephens Hcap 10 2:45L Wildfell(IRE) P W Chapple-Hyam 33.3% 1.68 -8.3% * K A Ryan Hcap 5 3:15L Rechercher George Baker 4.5% 0.53 -50.0% * R M Beckett Hcap 4 4:15L Ummsuquaim(USA) Miss J S Davis 0.0% 0.00 -100.0% * Jean-Rene Auvray Hcap 10 5:30W Melody Cher J Butler 9.0% 0.89 54.5% Sir Michael Stoute Hcap 5 6:30W Ocean Ridge S Durack 10.5% 1.48 -42.7% * C Appleby Mdn Stks 9

First match today/tonight is Allen taking on Ding. Ding comes into this after winning the 6-red tournament ofcourse but the bet on him today isn't so much because of that. He beat Bingham, Ford and Un Nooh to win that event so it doesn't twinkle in the sky of achievements. However, Allen isn't playing very well right now and I think Ding should probably be favourite in this one. Perhaps Allen turns it around over the longer format and if he does then he would probably make the final. But, you can only go with what you've seen 5pts Ding to beat Allen 11/10 bet365

Lingfield. 3.15. Alta Comedia 6/1 coral win. Good luck all.

2 winners and a small loss of 33p

The easiest way and fairest way is to do away with the BOG and if you take an early price then thats your price. Or you take SP. You need the option to take an early price, as a punter, in my opinion. But if B.0.G is being done away with, then so too should the BOG in the competition. I think the caveat that McClarke makes about allowing BOG after 9am, just makes extra work for him, checking on times etc

Bianca Vanessa Andreescu to beat (-1.5 sets) Sonya Kenin at 2.32 with Unibet I'm on Bianca tonight because she's been quite reasonable with her game this week and it seems to work for here. I even think she's won Miami before in 2019 or if it was Indian Wells, don't remember but anyway she's got 3 straight 2-0 victories in this matchup. I know Kenin has some connections to Miami being there already at 6 years old and being walked around by Kim Clijsters and saying hello to Andy Roddick. She also wanted to get a haircut at the venue as she told Kim but that was another story. However Bianca is ranked 32 right now and Kenin has made progress with her game but she even lost 2-0 before to Bianca in Miami and the other two times was in Toronto and a smaller ITF. Kenin isn't there yet to challenge Bianca who did well enough by taking out Sakkari to be able to take out Sonya in straights again. So I think this 2.32 price should be taken. Depending on how the match evolves there might be some higher odds to come by in-play but I'm just not gonna sit and wait for that to happen. BTW doesn't Andreescu sound romanian? Varvara Gracheva to beat (-1.5 sets) Magdalena Frech at 1.94 with Unibet Varvara has it in her to progress further in this tournament. I don't expect her to win by numbers like 6-2 again because Ons Jabeur is playing much worse than Magdalena is right now. Ons just isn't top 10 quality anymore, not even top 50 to be honest. Varvara however is going forward and has the game to keep playing good enough again to get by Magdalena in straights. Magdalena had some difficulties for a set with Erika Andreeva and it doesn't look good ahead of this matchup so it's gonna be very risky to go against Varvara in this match, even going for Magdalena to take a set could be highly risky. I might be reluctant to take Varvara to cover -4.5 games handicap because like I've said I can't expect Magdalena to play as bad as Ons did and being completely run over tonight since I think there is a chance she'll cover 4.5 games. Even if it gets tight with some tie-break Varvara hasn't shown anything lately suggesting that she would lose a breaker to her polish counterpart. What Varvara does on court now is equal to an inform player in the top 30. Double at 4.50 with Unibet Surely should be other bookies like Pinnacle or so outthere offering slightly improved price so go for other bookies if you guys like but I'm gonna stick with my bookie on this one. I don't even like Pinnacle that much because of their turnover requirement of 3 times the deposit. Back this tonight and it might give a chance for a happy day.

Exeter 3.52 COOLVALLA 7/1 £10 EW SKY 4 places SP I think I'm in a competition with @Trotter to see who can make the biggest loss ! Currently -£202.26 Good job @Nigwilliam's profits are covering our losses

Double. 3.00. Hunt. Artic Saint 9/2 2nd 5.00. Wolv. Aurophobia 9/2 3rd singles & double stk. 6.00 rtn. 82.50. Good luck all.

You're right - my apologies. No idea where I got 25% from that!!

Bet 104

I’d say SP is the best and fairest way just like the sporting life naps competition, it’s going to go across the board with all bookmakers sooner rather than later you just place singles on an account win few quid you will be restricted and then the next day they send you another e mail about safe gambling ?

I’m sorry if you lost money following my bet, or if you didn’t bet on Trevisan after reading my comment. You’ll get the next one, and if you will not, it won’t be a tragedy… Actually, I didn’t see the match, so I don’t know how it happened that Ostapenko was kind of trashed by Trevisan ?, biggest upset of the tournament so far imo…

Would be more Ostapenko missing than Trevisan being good I feel, but that can easily happen!

A loss last night so I'd be 3 out of 6 so far. £120 staked (£20 max per boosted bets), return to initial odds = £157 for a £37 profit with an ROI of 30.83%. Return with winnings boost applied = £181.25 for a £61.25 profit with an ROI of 51.04%.

Well, the outcome of a single bet doesn't prove whether it was value or not, win or lose but the overall record so far certainly suggests I'm struggling to find value generally. Just the one losing bet this week. 70 winners from 85 bets so far. 61.04 points down overall with an ROI of -5.09% I'm close to calling time on the thread but I'll set an initial recovery target; get back to less than 50 points down without hitting another losing bet (not counting the "Epic Odds" bets where the value isn't in doubt).

You are right of course. We would lose part of the challenge that some of our esteemed Punters Lounge members have in selecting horses early, sensing the odds are out. Fo ravoidance of doubt, I am (and obviously has to be) a Best Odds man. [Oh.... the bookies like messing us about, don't they? I can see the day when no one offers BOG, and maybe move to SP only ?]

2.15 linfield chloellie 18/1 £10 e/w bet365

Back playing on the ggs £2 EW on this lot pays 4 places £20 staked Meng Tian Winner @ 18/1 Lingfield 13:45 Forward Flight @ 25/1 Lingfield 13:45 - Winner Semser Winner @ 28/1 Lingfield 13:45 Star Of Cotai Winner @ 22/1 Lingfield 14:45 Ricardo Ofworthing Winner @ 33/1 Lingfield 14:45

Mon 27/3 all races Santa Anita R1 Spiritmaker 2/1 nap[ won R3 Blugrass go go 10/3 lost R4 Whyfire 15/8 nb won

@Nes* why so confused? Zandschulp did fine.

Well. It doesn't upset me at all. I always like to hear your thoughts, and respect your tennis opinions at the highest level. I completely disagree with you betting that price on Kvitova because her serve is a massive liability. Gracheva has been consistently underrated in recent matches. I watched some of her highlights, and her game seems really nice to me. Kvitova would have more of an advantage in slower hard courts, clay, or grass courts in my opinion. I will admit that I am not following Petra at all in Miami, and could easily be wrong about this. But, I will guess this is going to be a tight match. Update: I have reviewed Petra's last match in Miami briefly, and I agree with Czech Punter that Petra Kvitova is indeed in top form right, and I will most likely be looking for a different bet because I cannot trust Gracheva enough to win this.

4.00 wincanton Universal secret 10/1 e/w bet365

Bet 28 won. Next stake £727.93

Looks pretty easy so far for England. As they have gone 2 - 0 up, Bet365 have settled my bet already. For tomorrow...

Atlanta-Memphis Date: 26.03.2023. Sport: NBA Start time: 00:00 cet Pick: MEM -2 @1.95 Bookmaker: Pinnacle Stake:1 unit Schedule: adv MEM Teamnews: neutral, if Hunter will play (Adams out, Clarke out, Williams out / Hunter quest, Johnson out) Model: MEM 4.1 243.2 Robo number: MEM 4.5 244 Final number: MEM 4.5 244- Hunter in; MEM 6 245- Hunter out Picks: MEM -2 @1.95 (min price MEM -3 @1.95) Comment: Memphis without Williams (support player), Clarke (bench player, 5+ games out) and Adams (starter, out 5+ games). Hawks without Johnson (bench player, out 5 games). Hunter (starter, one game out) is questionable for Hawks. Date Home Away SchTPts SchHC SugTPts adjTPts SugHC 26/03/2023 Atlanta Memphis 243.2 -4.1 241.4 243.2 -2.6

3rd. Returns £30. + £656.50. 2023. + £1203.26.

3.35 Carl - Uptown Harry - win at 11/1 bet365

3.52 Exeter #3 Coolvalla EW 13/2 bet365

Looks like you are still in with a good chance as all your main challengers lost today. The only bummer is that you dropped a point. It is quite easy to select horses that are at very short odds and have an excellent chance of winning ?. All you have to do is check through the races with short-priced favourites and make a note of all the horses that are at least 10 points clear of all other rivals in the RPR ratings. Obviously, one would exclude any race with some un-raced so-called wonder horse that is supposed to win by a country mile. I checked today and found that in the 2.15 Sed Forcing Bull 1/3 was rated 125 v 99 RPR won by 12 lengths and in the 4.45 Lud Tightenrourbelts 30/100 126 v 112 RPR won by 18 lengths. Further, @gbettle had a formula that he published here for short-priced horses in accumulators which seemed to work quite well. I'll try and find it for you if you are interested. I hope that @gbettleis OK as I haven't seen him make any posts for a while. I hope this helps

Your strike is so good may be worth it but agree ? it would be pointless unless u really have that edge

Just to confirm I don't have a short price system. In the real world I don't back horses at prices shorter than 6/4 .

Thanks @The Equaliser but I think the king of the short price ones @Alastair could still do it, I am sure he has a nice little secret short price system, his past results are impressive and @Wanderluststill very much in there with a lovely profit/strike rate this month.