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Once again we have class 4 races with short-priced favourites. I have only included one in my bets so here's hoping 3.10 Leic Hathlool 7/2 5.50 Worc Wasdell Dundalk 10/3 7.10 Eps Whisper 5/2 7.40 Eps Marley Park 9/4 6 x 0.5 win dbles, 4 x 0.5 win trebles and 1 0.5 win 4 fold = 5.5 stakes with a poss return of 272.16 Singles bets 7.10 Eps Whisper (my PL Nap) 2.50 pts at 3.7 and a save bet of 1 pt win on Gangway at 3.6) 6.20 Worc Royal Practitioner 1 pt win at 7.6 Total stakes today 11 points Good luck to all -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good start and let down by others Probably worth 1.5 pts win on Marley Park at 3.9 to get out at B/E so I've taken it = 12.5 pts staked today RESULTS UPDATE Two winners and a second so not bad. Made a small profit of 1.58 pts because I backed Marlay Park separately. My MTD is now -17.59 and YTD is -160.61 Haven't had much time to look at today's racing but there seems to be a few class races on offer

Raiders in France Longchamp 1950 - Grand Prix de Paris Group 1 #3 Piz Badile G Ryan / D O'Brien #5 Eldar Eldarov D Egan / R Varian #6 El Bodegon I Mendizable / J Ferguson 2035 Prix Maurice de Nieul Group 2 #1 Quickthorn T Marquand / H Morrison

1920 Leopardstown Green Room Meld Stakes (Grade 3) #1 Bear Story finished 5th at the Currugh over 1m on the 25th June beaten 6.5 lengths behind Aikhal, Bear Story was making too much effort too early in that race, prior races to that the form works out really well however #2 Georgeville finished 2nd behind Cadilac over C&D on the 2nd June beaten 3.75 lengths in a listed contest finishing at one pace possibly will be the bookies favourite #3 Patrick Sarsfield won this particular race in 2020 however finished 6th behind Cadilac and Georgeville over the C&D 2nd June, trainer goes for 1st time cheekpieces, too much to do for me #4 Boundless Ocean finished 6th in the Irish Derby at the Currugh last month beaten 14 lengths at long odds over 1m 2f, may have a chance back down at this distance just needs to settle quickly to have a chance #5 Howth finished last of 6 last Thursday in a handicap over 1m looked cooked after 6 furlongs and made no impression dont expect it to here in this race #6 Trevauance only has 4 runs to its name winning 2 of those including a 3 runner contest last time out at Limerick for the in form trainer Harrington probably needs to improve to win this race though but would possible include in a forecast bet Verdict: ill go for Bear Story did finish behind Georgeville however last october but the form does work well and looks a decent price Bear Story 11/2 Bet365

Leicester. Single. 2.40. Oriole. 10/3.... 1st Worcester. Double. 7.25. No Recollection. 15/8 7/4. 1st 7.55. Mr woody 15/8.... unpl singles & double Good luck all.

Back to Ireland today... Leopardstown 6.15 CLEVELEYS 6-1 Fingers crossed. Only 3rd.

kiss and cuddle 1.40

The new whip rules have many facets to appease the anti's but as usual the ultimate sufferers are likely to be punters when it comes to the disqualification ammendments.Even the bookies are voicing their concerns which for a change are actually in line with how punters may be affected.For years punters have benefitted from double result payouts from most books but this may well signal the end of this concession as bookies are concerned about the length of time it may take in terms of Stewards deciding on a disqual in the event of whip overuse,it has been hinted that the double result may be dropped There are plenty of points to debate but it seems like the industry has caved in and as Mark Johnston hinted at years ago it is only a matter of time before the anti's find something else to undermine the sport with,seems they are being helped in their cause by the current agenda of perception rather than hard facts,the BHA et al hell bent on appealing to the minorities of the country,most of whom have no real interest in the sport. Ironic that today Sir Mark Prescott states in the RP that the rules were fine as they stood,just had to be enforced,in the next breath he says the changes did not go far enough.Sticks in the craw that somebody like him thinks it is ok for greyhounds to rip apart hares for his own passion of hare coursing (just because it is banned has not changed his view btw) but sticks up for the anti's when it comes to the "Whip".The pro cush bears no resemblance to a whip and he further confounds with asking why there should be nine strikes over jumps and eight on the flat,states it should be the same under both codes.He does not appear to understand the difference between a 5F sprint and a three mile chase,we regularly see horses trying to go around the wings of an obstacle,drift left or right etc toward the end of a jump race and the riders having to use the "whip" to correct their mount Certain courses have kinks that can cause a horse to veer of the intended line at the end of a race,Newbury being a prime example,most will remember The Champ doing exactly this before miraculously straightened at the last second.So begs the question of disqualification for overuse,do they expect a jump jockey to keep a few hits in reserve just in case their horse veers up the run in? The backhand is no use in straightening a swerving horse and as well as running out there are occasions when a horse is in danger of swerving across other runners.Will a jockey be penalised for taking action to prevent any amount of scenarios to avoid causing danger to others because they breached the 9 hits rule,will his horse be disqualified? A can of worms imo that not a single voice from the industry has even mentioned.

Just feels like horse racing has sprung a huge leak and is sinking ....a couple of my own friends have stopped betting on horses and gone off to soccer and golf because the racing is just pathetic and now there's a chance you'll be disqualified even when you've found a bet ....I think it's come at the worst possible time and when people start losing money it will drive people away in droves ....I think racing is in real trouble .....once the punters leave its a drain scenario ....less prize ...less races ...less punters .....this doesn't end well ? Even I looked at Epsom tonight ....7 ..7...4..6...5 .. 3 runners ....straight away I switched off again ....? and I'm a die hard .....and now when you do find a bet you'll be disqualified for 1 whip too many ...8 Instead of 7 ....just feels like someone just punched another hole in the ship ?

grandstand 2.00

This gets underway Saturday through to the 24th. Tends to be a player who has consistency to win this, as it's a "first to 10 legs" round 1 format, "First to 11" round 2 and then into a best of 32 legs, 34 and then 37 in the final. We've seen MVG, Taylor, Anderson, Cross, Van Den Bergh and Wright win this in the last 6 renewals and that shows the quality level of the winner. Very much like a "Masters" of Darts. I think Peter Wright will win this one. He has had a pretty rubbish year but when you look at the last couple of Players Championships, you will see him hitting 100+ averages regularly and that's a good sign, here. I reckon he comes into this in a better position than the likes of MVG, Price or Clayton. Will be interesting to see how Smith goes and Van Den Bergh always goes well here. However, his form hasn't been that solid over the last 12 months. My 2nd "serious" selection is Luke Humphries. He has come into his own in the past 3 months and has won a multitude of PDC events. He needs to hit the ground running here with a big TV win. Both single bets as I don't think the winner will come from the bottom half. Finally, to add abit of typical high priced options for you, I will give you 1 half decent mid-range shout and that's Danny Noppert. He seems to get better with every event on the TV stage and looks a bit of value at 33s. The other 2 are both 100+/1 shots who are both on fire at the Players Championships. Will they bottle it on the big stage? probably. Are they 100+/1 shots? Nope. Adrian Lewis and Andrew Gilding. 3pts Wright to win World Matchplay 8/1 bet365 2pts Humphries to win World Matchplay 12/1 betfred ------------------------------------------------------------------ 1pt e/w Noppert to win World Matchplay 33/1 betfred 0.5pts e/w Lewis to win World Matchplay 100/1 bet365 0.5pts e/w Gilding to win World Matchplay 125/1 betvictor

Newbury. Single. 2.43. Electress. 9/1 Good luck all.

2 good winners in a row propels @mick33to the top of the table.

They won't do that they will stick together. Imagine the backlash for any trainer who , as you say saw it as easy money . It would be similar to being a scab during strike action .People have to stick together through this , as an owner myself, even to small %ages we need to get our fair dues . Chester understands the disadvantage of being drawn wide so rather our horse being declared a non runner we get 500 quid appearance money , they are trying to help which is great , others need to look at something similar, money comes out of my account regardless in training fees so courses should think of us small % owners and give us a little more than unlimited access, free meals , owners facilities and discount bar, that's all great but let's win a few quid too please .

Having had a further read of the changes there appears to be a lack of detail as to when a horse is disqualified e.g is it placed second or last? After all if the Stewards deem that it has won because of overuse of the "whip" it stands to reason that it has beaten the entire field because of the breach and not just the runner up.Huge implications for the betting markets including the exchanges as to the places they pay out on.Also noticed that it is 8 strikes over jumps and 7 on the flat,another indicator that Prescott should keep his own counsel?

It's a protest over prize money

In this Saturday's race at Newbury the 4.39 no runners have been declared after 13 had initially entered , bizarre , & poor showing for UK racing !

Opening night at Saratoga with 2 stakes races on the card Race 7 at 2129 and Race 9 at 2239 1805 - 9 Kershaw 2nd 1839 - 5 Two Minute Drill Unplaced 1915 - 2 Be Here N/R 1949 - 3 Remote 3rd 2021 - 4 Tommy Gun 2nd 2055 - 9 King Moonracer 4th 2129 - 6 Favor Unplaced 2205 - 11 Wonka N/R 2239 - 6 Me And My Shadow 4th 2313 - 8 Half Birthday Unplaced

16.40 leicester babe alicious e/w @ 10/1 wh. thanks

Back live - I've noted the above and will do a look back on results to date, to flat stakes, net of 2% commission. Will note the results here. In the mean time our bank closed at €792 after the 28th & 29th results. Next stake will be €23.77.

Little experiment for you, write down what ur instincts tell you about each of the races your looking at then compare those thoughts to the results, here's the kicker dont look at any odds when picking.

Ham 420 Emerald Lady 22/1 bet365 £10 ew

4.40 leicester kraka 33/1 £10 e/w bet365

lost -£90 july +£962 1st oct another bad start time to get finger out lol

Today, I like Wang to beat Bogdan at 2.00 with Unibet, no idea why she's the underdog there to be honest. She was good against Krejcikova, while Bogdan struggled and the H2H is 1-0 as well, with Wang beating Bogdan in two sets in Valencia not that long ago.

310 lei majestic fighter 5/4 pp

8.20 Yarmouth - Wrath Of Hector 16/1@Bet365

Hi everyone! OK, so the time has come for us to get the 2022/23 Punters Lounge Fantasy Football League sign ups underway! A couple of simple rules... 1. Sign up using the link above. 2. Confirm in a post in this thread your manager name and team name so we know who to contact for any prizes. Failure to do so will mean you are ineligible to win the prizes. Speaking of the prizes, these will be confirmed in the coming weeks before the competition starts. There will be prizes for the best placed overall finishers in the classic league table with a prize structure as follows... 1. £100 2. £50 3. £20 We will also be looking to offer out monthly prizes so every month you will have an opportunity to win something. We will only be running a single classic league this year with no head-to-head paid entry league. This will hopefully keep it simpler, more enjoyable, and allow us to offer better prizes. Does @Team Sagga have what it takes to retain his title from last season? Will @Sebastiannsimmy go one better and take the throne this season? Can we expect to see the likes of @jarvisla, @u1905068, and @DLL carry their success from the H2H league into the classic league this time around? Or will our winners be one of you? Here is the link to get involved... https://fantasy.premierleague.com/leagues/auto-join/zqa5ld Get involved!

Result Leopardstown 06:15 AMPESON.....1st..2/1 rule 4 applies @ 10% Killarney 07:00 SPHAGNUM.....2nd..13/8 Todays Profit = + 8.00 pts Current Years Profit 2022 = - 123.41 pts (Years Profit 2021 = - 197.65 pts.) (Years Profit 2020 = +17.50 pts.) (Years Profit 2019 = + 287.87 pts.) (Years Profit 2018 = + 90.52 pts.) (Years Profit 2017 = - 73.44 pts.) (Years Profit 2016 = + 437.86 pts.) (Years Profit 2015 = + 18.52 pts.) (Years Loss 2014 = - 30.20 pts.)  (Years Loss 2013 = - 105.06 pts.) (Years Profit 2012 = +127.65 pts.) (Years Loss 2011 = - 13.82 pts.)    (Years Profit 2010 = +166.01 pts.)  Bank = + 2493.34 pts.  Profit = + 2393.34 pts. Current Losing Run = 1

It has happened before where the trainers agree to 1 runner, this forces the track to pay the prize money for a walk over, but they don't get the media money for the race from the bookmakers leaving the track 'out of pocket'. Think it was Yarmouth with low prize money last time, but it could happen at a few courses with current transport costs etc.

Manager name - Ivan Kasagga Team name - Team Sagga

Thats a relief (bonus price too) Fabre couldnt buy a winner kept getting 2nds (~9from20 2nds)

Look if I lost because of a foul that resulted in a disqualification I am used to that in other sports. I did not deserve to win. When a player gets sent off for a foul and gives away a penalty I take defeat on the chin. In the Hannigan "butchery" race at Royal Ascot when I reviewed the mayhem I decided an ATR Forum chap was 100% correct. The 4th was a certain winner and I benefited. I got third each way. Sorry but I am unhappy about this. I know Brexit means that the English want its own unique set of laws....but the test of the world is laughing at us. How long before more horses get sent to Ireland, France and Germany. Saudi etc. Their races have more and more runners. The English Brexit thugs finally have their their way and the home of the English Thoroughbred Racing becomes a land of English Horse Rollerball or English Equine cage fighting?.

Manager name - Steve king team name will be "warning hazchem"

7.00 Killarney Battle away 9/1 win bet365

Manager name is Karl Hedley Team name is Pure Scundered

16 headed goals in 14 games so far! 4 games with no header (both that involved Austria and both that involved Sweden, for whatever that may be worth). 3 out of 7 doubles would have landed but I managed to find 2 of the other 4 days! With 50 goals scored that's 32% of all goals coming from the noggin (though evidently not the Swede)! Headed goal minutes come in at 744 so far, averaging 53.14 per game (the quote would typically be in the mid to high 20s, the buy prices being 26 and 35 today, Obviously too small a sample to say the true odds of a header being scored are 1.4 and that try minutes should be at least 50 to buy but suggestive of there being some value in the prices offered thus far. I'd suggest there's a degree of emphasis on set pieces in Women's Internationals that has not been adequately factored into the prices by the few bookies who are offering the relevant bets.

Rublev doing well in important games today - serves for first set, broken, serves to stay in second, broken, serves for match... you've guessed it - broken. Certain players are probably a gold mine if you bet against them at key points in matches.

Went fitzpatrick and Lowry wins, morikawa and hatton ew Dad has went morikawa, zalatoris, oosthuizen and burns.

Egurrola - Scored a header and looked a threat from set pieces. This was her first start for the Dutch after switching to them from Spain, she had a brace in one of her 5 sub appearances and scored 6 goals for Spain at youth levels. Not particularly prolific in domestic games, worth considering if a particularly generous price is offered. (I wasn't expecting her to start this game but had a look when I saw she was. Can't remember the price but it wasn't huge, 9/2 maybe. Van der Gragt - Scored the second goal and looked even more of a threat at set pieces. Wasn't even on my radar pre-game but now has 4 in 25 for Holland in 2021/2 and 5 in 36 for Ajax over the last couple of league campaigns. Again bear in mind but only at a generous price. Headed goals - 2 more in this game. I'll be totting up but I'm pretty sure you'd be well in front on simply betting on one to be scored in every game (I'd estimate it's come in more than 50% of the time at average odds of around 8/5). I've managed to put a "fun" double on a couple of days where there was only one winner, either side of days where it landed in both! Card watch - 6 yellows last night (and another for dissent after the final whistle). Nothing in the ref's stats to suggest it was an obvious game to bet high on but Portugal's next game worth bearing in mind given they can qualify with a win. With the right ref I'd definitely be looking for an appealing cards price.

07/14/2022 13:40 LEICESTER Kind Spirit 07/14/2022 14:10 LEICESTER Clipsham Gold 07/14/2022 14:20 HAMILTON Ustath 07/14/2022 14:30 CHEPSTOW Glamorous Breeze 07/14/2022 15:00 CHEPSTOW Connie's Rose 07/14/2022 16:00 CHEPSTOW Beryl Burton 07/14/2022 16:20 HAMILTON Crypto Quest 07/14/2022 16:50 HAMILTON Stroxx 07/14/2022 18:40 EPSOM Courageous Knight 07/14/2022 19:40 EPSOM Starshiba 07/14/2022 19:55 WORCESTER Mr Woody 07/14/2022 20:10 EPSOM Ideal Guest

18:33 Patis-Longchamp (FR): Raclette

Good luck Budgie, you are on a tremendous run this month

final day of Championship League today until Monday. We have some European Masters qualification matches over the weekend, too. Group 25 doesn't really interest me today. Normally, I would be taking Pang Junxu to win a group like that but he is priced up at worse than 2/1 and that's no value when you look at his recent form. Day will probably take that group and even if he doesn't, I'm not sure it's worth a bet. The other group is likely to be won by Ali Carter. He is pretty consistent and was hitting a bit of form last season at the back end. The only bit of value that I can see is possible Wu Yize nicking the group but I'm not sure 4/1 is big enough to win Group 17. I like the fact though that Yize plays Carter last and so if he can win the opening 2 matches then atleast you'd hope he gives us a run for our money. 1pt Yize to win Group 17 4/1 bet365

On the previews I've followed there is a lot of people thinking along the lines of the course could be easy to play this year with the dry, warm, very little wind conditions that combined with a lot of driveable par 4 holes is probably why PP are being a lot more cautious than unibet.

Thursday 14/07/2022 Leopardstown 06:15 AMPESON f/c. 5/2 Stake = 10 pts. WIN Killarney 07:00 SPHAGNUM f/c. 7/2 Stake = 10 pts. WIN

Can’t believe there will be anyone at Brighton today one of the worst days racing I’ve seen there got to change amount of racing we have less meeting no jumps in summer

14.55 catterick abduction win @ 7/1 b.vic cheers

4th was 4.30 sorry +£22 -£30 july +£1022 1st oct

That's a terrific post, Harry. I don't think that you are asking for anything that is too onerous and it would certainly show much greater clarity. Let's hope that the response is positive.

Here's my take for what it's worth, as an only occasional racing punter and someone who only follows other people's selections on an ad hoc basis. (I don't have the time or inclination to follow anyone else where it entails backing several selections on a daily basis but I'm interested in seeing how any thread does where someone is actually willing to run it for a decent number of bets.) Selections - credit where it's due, the thread's off to a decent start and the selections would appear to be profitable regardless of any "noise" relating to commission or the staking plan. I'd like to see where we are after 10 cycles in terms of a worthwhile sample size. Commission - I have to agree with the consensus here, the results should categorically factor in commission at 2% which is the minimum most people are likely to pay. I'd suggest that should be done from now on. BSP is a perfectly valid measure for the P/L but it makes no sense to then choose to ignore commission, especially when the staking plan has such specific 50% and 100% targets. The results would have so much more "real world" validity just for the simple step of making the appropriate deduction. Staking plan - I'm not sure of the merits of such a specific approach to staking but it obviously introduces an element of chance when it comes to how much you end up winning or losing on a particularly good or bad day. I think it's valid to expect a comparison to level stakes. What I'd like to see is, at the end of each cycle, a statement of how much the average stake would have returned if applied as a flat stake to every bet, to compare to the return from the staking plan, e.g. if the average stake is £45 would you have done better or worse just having £45 on every selection. Surely you would want to know if the staking plan is adding value or not? I'd be interested to see how the first four cycles would have done if you'd just had the average total stake on every selection.